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2010 Season; Combined Competition
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tc6_11
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Oct 10 2010, 06:30 AM
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Oct 8 2010, 02:42 PM
The clubs vote to stand alone has made it easier for the group 6 management to walk away from the combined competiton and with much relief. From all reports i heard that the Group 6 management found it difficult and frustrating working alongside Wests JRL.
The G6 clubs voted 2 years ago to stand alone, yet the management stabbed them in the back and went ahead with this combined competition anyway.
Now, just because they can't get along with Wests, their going to hide behind a "directive from the clubs" to back out of this arrangement. Gee whiz.
Apparently they are talking about how they have supported the clubs' decision to walk away, yet we can all see that they want this to dissolve as much as anyone, based on the fact that they couldn't get along with Wests JRL.

WHAT ABOUT THE CLUBS!

The sooner this competition is run to suit the clubs involved, and not the whims of a few board members the better, and quite frankly, this G6 board needs to held accountable for their actions
Once again Footy Shorts you make too much sense when you talk. Hopefully people listen.
But that kind of behaviour could get you into trouble.
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Mad Tiger - I'm attending the Wests meeting tonight and will try and post a report later this evening. Whilst it's noble of Blue Devil to talk of Easts playing in Group 6 - it's just not possible for all clubs to take this action. Good luck to Easts. As far as Wests go I believe and hope they also maintain the Country RL model of 1st grade, Reserve grade with under 18's. Going on numbers/teams from the 2010 season the following clubs, if players remain and are prepared to step up from under 18s - would see the following field 1st and reserve grade teams: All Saints, East Campbelltown, Campbelltown City, Ingleburn Bulldogs, Macquarie Fields, Collegians, Eaglevale, Minto Cobras, Campbelltown Warriors. Also clubs like Ingleburn RSL etc may fill vacancies in reserve grade for clubs like Ingleburn Bulldogs who may only field a first grade. With the prospect of an 8 or 9 team 1st and reserve grade Wests would have a competitive/viable competition. Gate fees need to be maintained as to help Wests clubs fund their senior teams. The point system needs to be scrapped to allow Wests clubs to build for the new competition. However, current Wests players signing on with Group 6 clubs for the 2011 season may be a problem when it comes to Wests getting the numbers. Tonight will be interesting and lets hope their is positive talk for the future rather than just finger pointing.
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Oct 11 2010, 02:33 PM
Mad Tiger - I'm attending the Wests meeting tonight and will try and post a report later this evening. Whilst it's noble of Blue Devil to talk of Easts playing in Group 6 - it's just not possible for all clubs to take this action. Good luck to Easts. As far as Wests go I believe and hope they also maintain the Country RL model of 1st grade, Reserve grade with under 18's. Going on numbers/teams from the 2010 season the following clubs, if players remain and are prepared to step up from under 18s - would see the following field 1st and reserve grade teams: All Saints, East Campbelltown, Campbelltown City, Ingleburn Bulldogs, Macquarie Fields, Collegians, Eaglevale, Minto Cobras, Campbelltown Warriors. Also clubs like Ingleburn RSL etc may fill vacancies in reserve grade for clubs like Ingleburn Bulldogs who may only field a first grade. With the prospect of an 8 or 9 team 1st and reserve grade Wests would have a competitive/viable competition. Gate fees need to be maintained as to help Wests clubs fund their senior teams. The point system needs to be scrapped to allow Wests clubs to build for the new competition. However, current Wests players signing on with Group 6 clubs for the 2011 season may be a problem when it comes to Wests getting the numbers. Tonight will be interesting and lets hope their is positive talk for the future rather than just finger pointing.
Cheers AS, Appreciate it, hopefully something good comes of it...
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Oct 11 2010, 02:33 PM
Tonight will be interesting and lets hope their is positive talk for the future rather than just finger pointing.
I predict a huge amount of finger pointing from Wests Management.

I can hear it now......

"It's all Group 6's fault! Don't those guys understand we're in charge and they have to do what we say? Now they've spoilt everything and taken their ball and gone home!!!!!"

I wish I was a fly on the wall tonight.
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Oct 10 2010, 10:29 PM
We need a combined competition of some sort, meeting tonight at Wests leagues with the junior league will be intresting, good luck to all involved! :cheers:
Sorry Blue Devil, but G6 doesn't need a combined comp. I hope your talking about another area. I wish you and your club all the best with that, but I feel to have only one or two clubs from C'town would create more dramas for our group than one could imagine.
Even with a point system, it would still create a "super" club, with all the best players from the massive C'town area all lining up to play club that plays in G6 comp, even if it means playing u/18s for that club.
Then we'd need to make up special rules against that club.
Once again, sorry, but from this side of the fence, it's not worth it.
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Oct 10 2010, 10:29 PM
We need a combined competition of some sort, meeting tonight at Wests leagues with the junior league will be intresting, good luck to all involved! :cheers:
Sorry Blue Devil, but G6 doesn't need a combined comp. I hope your talking about another area. I wish you and your club all the best with that, but I feel to have only one or two clubs from C'town would create more dramas for our group than one could imagine.
Even with a point system, it would still create a "super" club, with all the best players from the massive C'town area all lining up to play club that plays in G6 comp, even if it means playing u/18s for that club.
Then we'd need to make up special rules against that club.
Once again, sorry, but from this side of the fence, it's not worth it.
I understand exactly what your saying, what I mean with needing a combined comp, it needs to be under the group 6 rule, they can dismiss clubs that don't play within the spirit of the game, they can put a rule no S.G Ball players to play 18's, clubs have buisness plans, ground standards and so on, it will get rid of the do-do!

We are happy to have rules that level the competition, this can work, but we need smart people with a common sence approach! Again Good Luck!
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Blue devil, 2 years ago before the joint venture G6 clubs voted not to have anything to do with Wests clubs. They again & voted have had the joint comp disbanded. What do you expect WSJRL to do, I'm pretty sure the G6 clubs didn't consult them on the vote, from what I gather from this thread, they were in the dark as well. Whether you like it or not G6 don't want us in the comp. In fact I doubt NSWRL would allow you to transfer into a country comp. You would have to relocate & rebuild because I doubt whether your junior base would happy to travel down to Mittagong & Moss Vale to play or travel outside of Campbelltown for training. IMO Minto & Warriors would definitely benefit should you relocate. Why do you think G6 would welcome your club with open arms. You should be putting your energy into suggestions to how keep WSJRL A grade going. And really this topic thread should now be on the WSJRL part of the forum not here.
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I attended the Wests meeting tonight. In attendance were the Wests Board, Warren McDonnell Wests Tigers and a NSWRL representative (name escapes me) plus the Wests JRLFCs. All Wests clubs and the Wests Board want the merger with Group 6 to continue. The Wests Board last week approached Geoff Carr from the NSWRL and Terry Quinn, General Manager CRL to see if Group 6 would reverse their decision. Mr Quinn will now be talking to Group 6 to see if the Group 6 decision can be reversed under the following condition: The CRL and NSWRL appoint an independant fully funded Manager to run the combined Group 6/Wests competition. This Manager would have assistance from three represenattives from the Wests clubs (not the Wests Board) and three representatives from the Group 6 clubs (not the Group 6 Management Committee). An answer is expected within the next few weeks.The NSWRL, CRL and Wests Tigers are in favour of a merger as the number of teams playing rugby league has increased in the combined area - player participation is very important with the emergance of AFL in the West. For Example Wests have increased from six A grade teams in 2008 to sixteen in 2010 and eight under 18's in 2008 to eleven in 2010. Not sure of the Group 6 numbers. There was no finger pointing or blame levelled at any individual or club. Wests will review the situation after Terry Quinn reports back. If Group 6 continue to go it alone then Wests will meet again to plan their 2011 season which after listening to the talk around the room and from the Wests Board will most probably be a blue print of the 2010 season ie. 1st grade, Reserve grade, under 18's, entrance fees, etc. We all need to be positive on the matter - rather than negative. Let Group 6 listen to the proposal and respect their decision. Time will tell.
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you can't reverse a decision that has gone to a Vote!!

At the meeting the president said the vote was final If managment went back on there stance they would be shot ducks at election time!!!

Besides Whats the point of a merger when one side has made it crystal clear they don't want to be apart of it.

And honestly who cares what the Wests tigers think or say they play 4 games a year here there not even a true local team!!


Edited by Highlander, Oct 11 2010, 09:34 PM.
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Oct 11 2010, 09:02 PM
I attended the Wests meeting tonight. In attendance were the Wests Board, Warren McDonnell Wests Tigers and a NSWRL representative (name escapes me) plus the Wests JRLFCs. All Wests clubs and the Wests Board want the merger with Group 6 to continue. The Wests Board last week approached Geoff Carr from the NSWRL and Terry Quinn, General Manager CRL to see if Group 6 would reverse their decision. Mr Quinn will now be talking to Group 6 to see if the Group 6 decision can be reversed under the following condition: The CRL and NSWRL appoint an independant fully funded Manager to run the combined Group 6/Wests competition. This Manager would have assistance from three represenattives from the Wests clubs (not the Wests Board) and three representatives from the Group 6 clubs (not the Group 6 Management Committee). An answer is expected within the next few weeks.The NSWRL, CRL and Wests Tigers are in favour of a merger as the number of teams playing rugby league has increased in the combined area - player participation is very important with the emergance of AFL in the West. For Example Wests have increased from six A grade teams in 2008 to sixteen in 2010 and eight under 18's in 2008 to eleven in 2010. Not sure of the Group 6 numbers. There was no finger pointing or blame levelled at any individual or club. Wests will review the situation after Terry Quinn reports back. If Group 6 continue to go it alone then Wests will meet again to plan their 2011 season which after listening to the talk around the room and from the Wests Board will most probably be a blue print of the 2010 season ie. 1st grade, Reserve grade, under 18's, entrance fees, etc. We all need to be positive on the matter - rather than negative. Let Group 6 listen to the proposal and respect their decision. Time will tell.
Well if nothing else at least it seems as though they have formulated a plan, and with the NSWRL involved hopefully something good will come of this...

Im still hopefull of a combined comp as i think its the best for the district..


Cheers for the info AllSaints
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Oct 11 2010, 09:32 PM
you can't reverse a decision that has gone to a Vote!!

At the meeting the president said the vote was final If managment went back on there stance they would be shot ducks at election time!!!

Besides Whats the point of a merger when one side has made it crystal clear they don't want to be apart of it.


History counts for a lot highlander, and from what i am hearing, when this orignally went to vote back in 08" it was chucked out, but later installed by management. Now they are willing to stand behind the same clubs they stabbed in the back 2 years ago? I wouldn't like them in my corner.
If Terry Quinn is involved, and wants the merger to go ahead, i think the group may struggle to stand alone.
We might have to threaten them with a "rebel" comp. Isn't that what happened in group 7? They threatened to gain their own insurance etc, and run alone, but the CRL backed down? I don't know what the issue was.
Management of Group 6 could be in trouble anyways, with their handling of several issues this year, Violence, Oakdale Points, Wests etc. I think they have finally put forth all their incompentancies for everyone to see, now it's up to someone to take control of the situation.
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If Group 6 Management did a back flip on this they would lose the tiny little bit of credibility they have left. But then they don't have a history of listening to the clubs they supposedly, represent so anything could happen.
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I'm pretty sure it had something to do with G7 having a manager from head office forced upon them. Don't quote me though, I could be wrong. I'll find out 2moro exactly the prob and let you know, but from all accounts CRL ran out of there backwards.
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If Group 6 Management did a back flip on this they would lose the tiny little bit of credibility they have left. But then they don't have a history of listening to the clubs they supposedly, represent so anything could happen.
Great point, Black and White. They are elected to represent us clubs.

And the clubs need to start punching the table and get them to start doing as they are directed.
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I Am pretty sure that model was proposed at the group 6 meeting aswell.
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Besides Whats the point of a merger when one side has made it crystal clear they don't want to be apart of it.
Who does not want a part of it ?????

The "grey haired" old buggers that run the competition?

or the players that just go out and want to play football each week?

I bet if you put a vote to the actual players they would all want the competition, they dont care where the opposition is from. They just want to play football.

Isn't it all about them and the game of football and making the game as strong as possible.

Has any body bothered asking the players what they think ??? or doesn't any one that matters care ???
Edited by Maverick, Oct 12 2010, 08:14 AM.
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Besides Whats the point of a merger when one side has made it crystal clear they don't want to be apart of it.
Who does not want a part of it ?????

The "grey haired" old buggers that run the competition?

or the players that just go out and want to play football each week?

I bet if you put a vote to the actual players they would all want the competition, they dont care where the opposition is from. They just want to play football.

Isn't it all about them and the game of football and making the game as strong as possible.

Has any body bothered asking the players what they think ???
We AKSED our players at seasons end what they wanted Maverick and guess what mate 100% did NOT want to be a part of the merger next year champ!!
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Highlander... you are just one side who did not have a happy year in 3rd grade. Our 1st grade All Saints side had an even less happy year winning only 1 game all year. But every one of our boys want do it again to try and get better by playing in a stonger comp.
You say 100% voted against it but I have have been to many meetings where the vote goes the way the people running the meeting want it to.
I dont believe young men wanting to play football would vote that way unless it was pushed by the people running the show.

What about other sides players do they feel that way ????

I urge any player that is not on a commitee and just a player to make a comment
Edited by Maverick, Oct 12 2010, 08:31 AM.
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My son is a player and he is thrilled that the merged comp is over and he gets back to playing Group 6 again. None of the players I know were happy with the way things have been over the last 2 seasons.
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Oct 12 2010, 08:29 AM

You say 100% voted against it but I have have been to many meetings where the vote goes the way the people running the meeting want it to.
I dont believe young men wanting to play football would vote that way unless it was pushed by the people running the show.

What about other sides players do they feel that way ????

I urge any player that is not on a commitee and just a player to make a comment
Maverick, you are a laugh a minute, you must go to a lot of Wests Junior League meetings, meetings I attend for other rugby league organisations, don't have votes like this, and I must say, we are from Campbelltown and our players don't want to play in a Campbelltown comp, why? Ground, crowds, the running of the comp, etc, etc, Dont you understand all Campbelltown teams want to go over there to play, why? Ground, crowds, good competition and cleaner, that is our problem, "our players don't want to play in Campbelltown" and everyone will lose players left, right and centre, if the combined comp doesn't stay together

we get told we must stay positive, it's hard when we have put up with this for so long!

Though this is a public forum and views are to the individual, this site is constantly being watched by The Campbelltown Mafia, be careful!
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