WE WANT A FAIR GO FOR OUR AREA, MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND MORE THAN 4 NRL GAMES AT CAMPBELLTOWN STADIUM
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| Highlander | Oct 12 2010, 09:44 AM Post #901 |
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Mavrick that is correct we didnt have good year in 3rd grade and by all reports All Saints were a fantastic club in the group comp thsi year!!. But you have to understand if we are put in a position of playing the hincinbrooks again we will not have a side so we must do whats in our bests interets. And what really bugs me the most is this talk of AFL Threat!! Where were The geoff carrs, Terry quinns and Wests tigers when our jnrs got kicked off our home of 50 plus years a couple of years ago and the AFL posts went up (ANd are still up) ??? There werent in the trenches fighting tooth and nail to get our ground back thats for sure even now we cant have sunday games for snrs as its AFL!!! |
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| dilly | Oct 12 2010, 11:24 AM Post #902 |
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Maverick are you implying that those 29 unanimous votes were given by 29 "neanderthal nongs" that were dragged by their noses and couldn't think for themselves and only did what the hierarchy told them to do. I am sorry mate, but it is different in Group 6, I think you need to have a look at your own clubs and see who is led by the nose and those that are too scared to speak up. As for "grey haired old buggers running the comp", have a little respect mate. Group 6 management are etirely volunteers. They may have made some mistakes and there is no disputing that, but they have rectified their mistakes by listening to the Group 6 clubs and THEIR PLAYERS. You may need to look at your board and its paid administrator and see where their priorities lay. Is it just a job? Is it too hard? As for players, every player I have spoken to are "over the moon" and are all looking forward to next season playing in a Group 6 only competition. It is a hard cold fact that Group 6 was used as a means to prop up a failing competition in Wests, of course your players want the combined comp to continue, why wouldn't they? The alternative is too depressing for the Wests clubs to think about. |
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| AllSaints | Oct 12 2010, 12:45 PM Post #903 |
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The general feeling from the Wests side of the marriage is they want it to continue whilst the Group 6 side have voted for a divorce. That's fine, cause it's not going to work if one side is dragged down the aisle screaming and kicking but Group 6 clubs may have a smaller pool of players to recruit from as the Wests board have indicated that if the marriage if off then Wests will not allow player clearances from the Wests clubs to Group 6 clubs. I'd imagine in time this would have an impact on the recruitment for Group 6 clubs. Group 6's 1st & reserve grade clubs are now in a position of strength but what about 3rd grade - if there are no new nominations for the 2011 season Group 6 will only have Bowral, Appin, Warragamba - Mt Annan and Roberstson are no certainies to form 3rd grade teams - hardly the numbers to form a viable competition. |
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| Camden-nite | Oct 12 2010, 06:11 PM Post #904 |
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I don't believe a word of it, i have not heard complaints from any players about the joint comp and have been to games at most venues the people who complained are those who are on the committee of a few clubs however it must be said that this was a few yrs ago when complaints were voiced, an example of those who are strongly apposed is to use an excuse of distance as an argument in reality the time difference is ten minutes at the most and if Warragamba was taken into account most clubs in Campbelltown or Liverpool are closer than Warragamba from say (Bowral, Robertson or Mittagong) what must be looked at is what benefit do the players get from a strengthened competition |
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| Camden-nite | Oct 12 2010, 06:17 PM Post #905 |
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Thank God someone is thinking!!!!!!!!!!!! you have a lot more support than you think lets just hope that those at the helm of CRL and NSWRL do what's in the best interest of the game and it's players. |
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| Highlander | Oct 12 2010, 06:32 PM Post #906 |
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we were told there would be a 6 maybe 7 team comp but even with 5 where happy with that dont you worry All saints. Even with that our crowds figures would double!! Edited by Highlander, Oct 12 2010, 06:35 PM.
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| footy shorts | Oct 12 2010, 07:11 PM Post #907 |
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A couple of points if I may. If the clubs of G6 stay strong, and are not sold out by management, as has happened before, then no-one from any CRL, NSWRL, etc, can make them do anything. It's their comp, and the General committee should run it as they see fit. Group 7 proved this a couple of years ago. If Wests, or anyone for that matter, tried to prevent players from transferring to another comp without good reason, a quick trip to Fair Trading or the local court, claiming "A restriction of trade", would see that rule quashed. Lastly. When players start to take an active role in running their club, for instance, selling raffles, or helping raise sponsorship or helping with ground maintenance etc etc, then I will listen to them more. I'm sorry, but the vast majority of them don't help, nor offer a hand in any way. A huge percentage of players, when they retire, are never seen again. Why should they be listened to so intently. |
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| DevelopmentCoach | Oct 12 2010, 07:48 PM Post #908 |
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"Restraint of Trade" will never be upheld. No player playing anywhere who isn't the NRL can call Rugby League their "trade", and even then the courts are very wary of throwing the term around. Technically the NRL salary cap (or in case of Group 6, the points system) are "restraints of trade". I'm not arguing in Wests JRL's defence, I just know how they operate. Wests Junior League will do everything in their power to stop players leaving, and as I have personally dealt this this year, would rather have players at home then on a paddock that they don't control. Control is probably the worst part of this whole fiasco. Too many people have a sphere of control, and will do anything to keep a hold of it. Both districts are just as bad as the other in this part. Even if it is to the detriment of their clubs, their area, or the game. Its been that way for a long long time, and the split just shows that it isn't going anywhere for a long time. The argument always follows "why don't you stick your hand up then", and believe me I have, as well as so many others who think the same, including more than a few of you on this board. It's why you're here in the first place after all - passion for the game. Unfortunately the first thing the people who gain control over these things do, is make sure that they keep that control. |
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| Black&White | Oct 12 2010, 08:00 PM Post #909 |
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I can assure you that I'm NOT a liar! I can also assure you that I'm not on the committee of any senior club. I'm a parent of a senior player and I am speaking from MY experience over the last two years. |
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| footy shorts | Oct 12 2010, 08:11 PM Post #910 |
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One more thing. I'm sorry Dilly, but I just cannot have any respect for the G6 management. Let us NEVER forget, it was this board that DELIBERATELY went behind all the group delegates back. A vote was conducted 2 years ago about this merger, and ALL bar one delegate, voted against this merge. YET , the management virtually 'flipped the bird' to everyone, went behind their backs and forced G6 clubs into this combined comp. And what did they say to people who argued that what they had done was the wrong thing? TOO BAD . This is how it is , and it doesn't matter what you clubs think. We run this comp and we know what's good for ya. Now they're supposedly supporting the clubs. Pity they didn't support them 2 years ago! I can't see how anyone can forgive what they did, and they should all fall on their swords. However, I doubt they have the group at heart enough for this to happen, or it already would have. |
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| Maverick | Oct 12 2010, 08:26 PM Post #911 |
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Firstly I have all the respect in the world for anybody giving their time and effort for free. Even if they are grey haired old buggers "like me by the way" and I am sure some are not, But my point is this is about young men playing football "together" This whole thing is ridiculess..............."somebodies" have turned a great competion into some sort of war of words "Us and them" and for the life of me I cant understand why? Sure there were things go wrong, but what is better for the game and for the young men who play it? Run and hide (split) or work your way through the issues for the better of all. And I do mean all.... Just because mistakes were made by some does it mean we have to punish all ? Now that sounds "Neanderthal." Edited by Maverick, Oct 12 2010, 08:47 PM.
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| Camden-nite | Oct 12 2010, 11:12 PM Post #912 |
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"I'ts not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" and that folks is what this is all about and not to expect praise or privilege for time offered. We as a society have let the youth behave in the manner that they do why be surprised at the behaviour of some. Address the problem and fix it, not accuse each other. |
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| Lecky | Oct 13 2010, 05:38 AM Post #913 |
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In my opinion people on this forum are doing exactly what both commitees have been doing and that is pointing the finger and whinging about whos fault it is and why the split has happened. From what Ive heard G6 will in no way be having a joint comp this year or any where soon in the future. why dont a few of you put your heads together and try to turn your comp into a strong and stand alone viable competition. I have seen every 1st and reserve grade campbelltown side play and quit a few third grade sides and there are enough players up that way to make 8 first and reserve grade sides. By putting in place a few rules using the G6 model as starting point IE points sytem to limit clubs dominance, a first reserves and under 18s comp, charging to enter grounds and sorting out player and crowd behaviour campbelltown could return to a strong and healthy competition. By creating a proffesinally run comp you will attract more proffesional players and also maybe inspire some of the more capable third grade players to step up to a higher level. Then we may see a point were G6 and wests could compete against each other in a representative type fixture. From all reports and posts on this forum it seems as though wests officials may just have lacked the drive and know how to run a competition at a first grade level. why not now use the knowledge of whats beeen learnt from the joint comp over the last 2 years to propell your own competition forward. |
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| dilly | Oct 13 2010, 06:32 AM Post #914 |
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Lecky, well said. There is no reason why Wests shouldn't be able to have a strong competition. Look at the size and deomographics of the district (high population). But for Wests to be able to have a strong senior compeition they need to go all the way and set up a separate senior competition. While they are playing under a JUNIOR model there will always be rules and restrictions that are necessary for a junior competition that will stifle any further development of a Senior Comp. They just need some forward thinking people to step up and get the ball rolling. While the rules and restrictions in place are disigned for young boys and girls the men of the Wests clubs will be going nowhere. |
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| AllSaints | Oct 13 2010, 07:01 AM Post #915 |
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From what I've been told it's Group 6 and not Wests who wanted the merger. I heard talk of a merger 10 years ago. Can those on this forum please advise the true state of Group 6 over the past ten years - has it been one of strength (as it is now) or a competition with two or three dominant clubs with floggings for the rest. I've been told it wasn't that healthy a few years ago. At Tuesdays meeting the Wests Board conceded that they had learnt a lot from the Group 6 merger on how to run a senior competition. If Group 6 want to run their own competition without Wests than so be it. Hopefully Wests will move forward and players will stay and a viable 8 team first, reserve grade and under 18's competition will eventuate. If Wests are successful in preventing Wests registered players transfering to Group 6 then I'd imagine clubs like Camden, Narellan, The Oaks, Oakdale, Picton will suffer - unless they have strong juniors progressing through the ranks. |
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| Highlander | Oct 13 2010, 08:06 AM Post #916 |
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If a player is financial and is an adult under what rule can you prevent them going anywhere to play??? I always thought players had to be cleared by there previous club? So if a player moves to Bundanoon for example are wests going to stop him playing for moss vale?? |
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| Lecky | Oct 13 2010, 09:26 AM Post #917 |
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under my understanding of the transfer rules if a player is financial at a club and he wants to move to a club in another group there is no way his previous club can stop it. |
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| Maverick | Oct 13 2010, 09:42 AM Post #918 |
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"I think" long term this "could" backfire on G6. I dont think to many would argue the G6 junior system is not as strong as West's, so therefore your strong clubs rely on buying players from elseware, EG ex West's Reps and near reps and the best you can get from other districts. If West's are forced into enhancing the same "pay" system to make their comp work, they will if thats what it takes, then the pool of "quality" players available to G6 will become less. If your sponsers get a bit nervous in the volitile economy we live in, then clubs may struggle to attract the marquee players that you attract now as the same money or better "may" become available from Wests Clubs and they may end up back at Wests clubs. Long term the best thing for both of us is to get rid of the "Us and Them" and all become "US" West's have clearly stated they have learn't a lot from this, so for the long term good of all will you guys from G6 give us a chance to make it work. |
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| tc6_11 | Oct 13 2010, 10:10 AM Post #919 |
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That's 100% correct |
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| Blue Devil | Oct 13 2010, 10:21 AM Post #920 |
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All Saints, I dont know where you get your information from! Wests had to approach group 6 because we didnt have the numbers to have our own comp, we also had sides that said, if we have to play Bulldogs and East, we wont have a team! Do you remember saying that! Wests approached Group 6 as for the past 5 years we had a Band aid soluntion for a competition, and i know for a fact that west juniors approached Group 6 in November 2008 Dilly also commented on how we run seniors like juniors, HELLO, I have been saying that for years, and now a rule to stop player movement out of the area, that is under 6's stuff! What about no selling of Alcohol, no gate takings, no paying of players, even though one club started paying players that put the final nail in the competition and got away with it, the competition had never recovered. When do clubs get a say at meetings, I'm sorry I sat in that office for an hour giving ideas for what seniors need to do to grow and become strong, only to be told at the following secretarys meeting I was "white anting" the competition! Be realistic, we are so far behind the eight ball, I come back to our grounds, if you where a player in the wests comp, would you like to play on stromferry, Waminda (cricket pitch), Bradbury oval (cricket Pitch), Oswald, Hinchinbrook, and so on, very hard surfaces and it takes it tolls with injuries, Eagle Vale in 2006 finished 2nd but ran out in a major Semi final with 11 men, why? the other 14 players were injured playing on these surfaces such as Eschol Park, True Story, we have gone backwards in the last 20 years in the way for grounds, Worrell park had there own ground managers and was one of the best grounds in the district, look at it now! All Saints, It comes back to the saying "be positive" and I appluade you for doing so, but it is hard when you know what has happened in the past, I know as a player, a coach and an official, I'm sorry the only way is for the combined comp to remain as is, now with the group 6 clubs up in arms, we must ask ourselves why? what has happened for this too fall apart, has anyone from Wests offered to hand our teams over under there control to keep it for the good of the game! maybe if that happenes, our clubs wont get away with what has happened this year! Surely someone down there a Wests Juniors Knows why the competition has fallen apart and needs to fix it ASAP, not place rediculous threats such as not allowing players to transfer, Our club this year had a fair few players from Rugby Union, and isnt that what we should be doing, winning the war over other codes, not other districts, all i can see is Campbelltown Harlequins getting 6 teams in seniors where this year we had 6 teams in seniors! Edited by Blue Devil, Oct 13 2010, 10:28 AM.
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