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Wests JRL Senior Season 2011; A Grade
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i have hard the draw is out for group 3 grade & that it is a 8 team comp, can anyone confirm.
if true then group 6 3 grade will probably be a bigger comp than the west 1st & reserves
combined.
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Jan 15 2011, 02:37 PM
Good news "Burner'. All Saints will have two sides, word on the street is that Liverpool Titans have two sides, "Mad Tiger" has advised on this forum that Eaglevale have had 30 players at training and are aiming for two sides. Has anyone out there heard from or is involved with Collies, Minto, Macquarie Fields, Ingleburn Bulldogs, Warriors, Macarthur Saints, Hinchinbrook, LCC ????
A meeting of the Wests Senior Management Committee on Monday 24 January will be a guide to who is and who isn't fielding senior teams and the structure of the 2011 Wests senior competition - only 9 more sleeps.
I believe Collies are back next week or so not sure of their teams have heard rumours they are losing a lot of players and Macsaints will run an 18s only and they will struggle with numbers with the garbage that happened with Wests last year wouldnt be surprised if alot of them und up going to G6 as they have no faith with wests or the clubs committee
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Jan 15 2011, 09:19 PM
Gents - you look at Group 6 both draws drafted for 1st-res and 2 nd division 2011 - Wests still up in the air and back on 24th just to see who will nominate let alone draft a draw or pre-sason for that matter - it is easy to see why Bulls - Easts and City have chosen to affiliate to the Group 6 competition and why it is the more attractive competition and in the best interest of all clubs to join that offers thier players the best product of rugby league by a long way -i just hope All Saints and Titans get a viable comp to play in this year as it seems they have put in alot of work and would be dissapointing seeing them have to have a late scramble for a competition if wests fails yet again.
Would most clubs like to defect most probably but the fact is that group 6 broke away from the combined comp would they accept ALL clubs who wish to play with them or would the just pick the eyes out of the wests clubs then where does that leave those clubs that aren't so lucky to be allowed to be affiliated and there members
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Jan 15 2011, 10:14 PM
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Jan 15 2011, 09:19 PM
Gents - you look at Group 6 both draws drafted for 1st-res and 2 nd division 2011 - Wests still up in the air and back on 24th just to see who will nominate let alone draft a draw or pre-sason for that matter - it is easy to see why Bulls - Easts and City have chosen to affiliate to the Group 6 competition and why it is the more attractive competition and in the best interest of all clubs to join that offers thier players the best product of rugby league by a long way -i just hope All Saints and Titans get a viable comp to play in this year as it seems they have put in alot of work and would be dissapointing seeing them have to have a late scramble for a competition if wests fails yet again.
Would most clubs like to defect most probably but the fact is that group 6 broke away from the combined comp would they accept ALL clubs who wish to play with them or would the just pick the eyes out of the wests clubs then where does that leave those clubs that aren't so lucky to be allowed to be affiliated and there members
this is all sounding familar, wests clubs will go to a meeting will nominate mystery sides & all will seem honky dory
until the pre season comp can't kick off. it will be interesting if the clubs with teams then show some backbone or just play dead again.
I saw our boys put an ad in this weeks paper for both senior grades but also need coachs? in january? senior players made thier minds up long ago.
bigshow spot on, wests clubs have to form senior commitees to run seniors or your clubs will stay
juniors focussed but then the junior league better watch out because the senior commitees will demand better competition, which is what city and easts did & have had the guts to do.
so group 6 3rd grade has 8 teams which is what wests may get? if i were on a commitee in wests id try to get the club strong enough to try to get to group 6 1st grade.
lol- wests & credibility. i was going to ask what type of a name is lol but i get it now. :laughing:
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Jan 15 2011, 10:14 PM
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Jan 15 2011, 09:19 PM
Gents - you look at Group 6 both draws drafted for 1st-res and 2 nd division 2011 - Wests still up in the air and back on 24th just to see who will nominate let alone draft a draw or pre-sason for that matter - it is easy to see why Bulls - Easts and City have chosen to affiliate to the Group 6 competition and why it is the more attractive competition and in the best interest of all clubs to join that offers thier players the best product of rugby league by a long way -i just hope All Saints and Titans get a viable comp to play in this year as it seems they have put in alot of work and would be dissapointing seeing them have to have a late scramble for a competition if wests fails yet again.
Would most clubs like to defect most probably but the fact is that group 6 broke away from the combined comp would they accept ALL clubs who wish to play with them or would the just pick the eyes out of the wests clubs then where does that leave those clubs that aren't so lucky to be allowed to be affiliated and there members
simple answer NO

There are clubs that if allowed to enter Group 6 would see group clubs defect to group 7

We almost defected ourselves if things had stayed status quo we would have faced a player revolt to south coast.

Three other clubs voiced concerns at various stages last year.
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Jan 15 2011, 10:14 PM
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Jan 15 2011, 09:19 PM
Gents - you look at Group 6 both draws drafted for 1st-res and 2 nd division 2011 - Wests still up in the air and back on 24th just to see who will nominate let alone draft a draw or pre-sason for that matter - it is easy to see why Bulls - Easts and City have chosen to affiliate to the Group 6 competition and why it is the more attractive competition and in the best interest of all clubs to join that offers thier players the best product of rugby league by a long way -i just hope All Saints and Titans get a viable comp to play in this year as it seems they have put in alot of work and would be dissapointing seeing them have to have a late scramble for a competition if wests fails yet again.
Would most clubs like to defect most probably but the fact is that group 6 broke away from the combined comp would they accept ALL clubs who wish to play with them or would the just pick the eyes out of the wests clubs then where does that leave those clubs that aren't so lucky to be allowed to be affiliated and there members
jolly - i would think any club that had the right people running them eg eagles, roos & bulls,
with the same determination as these three clubs have, would get a very favorible response
dont go blaming the clubs that have jumped ship, blame the people who control your comp,
group 6 clubs get a vote on what is going to happen with there comp, wests clubs are told
whats going to happen with theres, just my opinion.
also when you compare the product that group 6 offer to what wests offer you tell me which is better.
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warriors- my name is LOL because im laughing out loud but you have already worked that out!

allsaints, burner- where would your club stand if the numbers dont come through and what would be the minimum sides you would play with? as your 2 sides could be forced to play each other yours,titans and i dont see other clubs feilding 2 sides with reading these rumors,trumors :L i hear minto is just about done :-/ jed will try hard but rumors are the numbers will not stack up as 4 have already gone to eagles and the rest will head out to G6. my sorce tells me that mtannan will feild 3rd grade and be strong with 7 RSL players
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Jan 16 2011, 08:46 PM
warriors- my name is LOL because im laughing out loud but you have already worked that out!

allsaints, burner- where would your club stand if the numbers dont come through and what would be the minimum sides you would play with? as your 2 sides could be forced to play each other yours,titans and i dont see other clubs feilding 2 sides with reading these rumors,trumors :L i hear minto is just about done :-/ jed will try hard but rumors are the numbers will not stack up as 4 have already gone to eagles and the rest will head out to G6. my sorce tells me that mtannan will feild 3rd grade and be strong with 7 RSL players
neck on the line, thoughts on wests comp- like predicitng a top 8 at start of season :letmesee:

yes- 2 teams
all saints
ingo rsl

maybe 1-2 teams
esa
livo titans

maybe 1 team
warriors
hinchinbrook
minto

no teams
mac saints
lcc
mac fields
ing bulldogs
collies
valley
ashcroft
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Jan 16 2011, 09:17 PM
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Jan 16 2011, 08:46 PM
warriors- my name is LOL because im laughing out loud but you have already worked that out!

allsaints, burner- where would your club stand if the numbers dont come through and what would be the minimum sides you would play with? as your 2 sides could be forced to play each other yours,titans and i dont see other clubs feilding 2 sides with reading these rumors,trumors :L i hear minto is just about done :-/ jed will try hard but rumors are the numbers will not stack up as 4 have already gone to eagles and the rest will head out to G6. my sorce tells me that mtannan will feild 3rd grade and be strong with 7 RSL players
neck on the line, thoughts on wests comp- like predicitng a top 8 at start of season :letmesee:

yes- 2 teams
all saints
ingo rsl

maybe 1-2 teams
esa
livo titans

maybe 1 team
warriors
hinchinbrook
minto

no teams
mac saints
lcc
mac fields
ing bulldogs
collies
valley
ashcroft
I was told From my coach today that he was told that they are running a 17s and an 18s instead of a two tier 17/18s is this right??
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JUst remember people group clubs can only take a cerain number of wests jl players!! The rumored 7 to Mt annan would not be allowed due to massive pont loss.
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I 2nd highlanders comments as mass exodus of wests players into group 6 will be heavily scrutinized not only by group 6 management but also clubs due to the points system.

No one has yet answered my question I posed earlier about why a Wests SNRL cannot be formed, totally independent from Wests jrl to run grade and u/18 competitions. If some clubs can see the foresight to form senior executives for grade teams from their jnr clubs then WHY can't someone(s) form a snr management committee to control a wests grade competition ? or maybe its a bit too hard? Like I said i'm not sure of the possibilities if this could happen so maybe someone out there could shed some light.

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Unfortunately Disco, even if they wanted to - the junior league has complete control over the clubs, and wouldn't allow it. It's the same reasoning for why Eagles and City had to essentially create "new" clubs to be affiliated to group 6.

The standard line used by the Junior League is that all clubs must be affiliated to the _junior_ league, and they have control over the club names and colours. Unfortunately the NSWRL seem pretty content with the arrangement as it stands, as I'm sure the people at clubs who have dealt with them would suggest.

It is a great notion - and I believe it would completely repair all the damage to senior Rugby League in the area (especially considering how many "wests" players are currently in group 6, group 7, parramatta and canterbury), but unfortunately it seems the junior league will stand in the way of anyone influencing their sphere of control (as shown by the law-suit against this website, and the constant bickering, challenging against the Magpies district club, and the recent challenges on Easts and City)

I believe strongly in Rugby League in Macarthur/Liverpool, unfortunately as far as I can see, as long as the people in charge are the same people they have been for 15+ years, we will only go backwards. It doesn't take a genius to look at the financials from the junior league and see the clubs aren't getting their moneys worth from the administration.
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Jan 17 2011, 10:32 AM
Unfortunately Disco, even if they wanted to - the junior league has complete control over the clubs, and wouldn't allow it. It's the same reasoning for why Eagles and City had to essentially create "new" clubs to be affiliated to group 6.

The standard line used by the Junior League is that all clubs must be affiliated to the _junior_ league, and they have control over the club names and colours. Unfortunately the NSWRL seem pretty content with the arrangement as it stands, as I'm sure the people at clubs who have dealt with them would suggest.

It is a great notion - and I believe it would completely repair all the damage to senior Rugby League in the area (especially considering how many "wests" players are currently in group 6, group 7, parramatta and canterbury), but unfortunately it seems the junior league will stand in the way of anyone influencing their sphere of control (as shown by the law-suit against this website, and the constant bickering, challenging against the Magpies district club, and the recent challenges on Easts and City)

I believe strongly in Rugby League in Macarthur/Liverpool, unfortunately as far as I can see, as long as the people in charge are the same people they have been for 15+ years, we will only go backwards. It doesn't take a genius to look at the financials from the junior league and see the clubs aren't getting their moneys worth from the administration.
one of the best postings ive read on this site. spot on, the sentiment about the junior league from all sides speaks a 1000 truths
how can the clubs do anything like a good idea like stu's when they can't even vote for themselves? maybe when the senior comp fails to get off the ground again this time the clubs will grow a backbone & speak up for the good of the game in the local area :clap:
a lot of people back sitting watching easts city & the bulls, really its a matter of time who goes next now
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so guys whos in the top 4 for this yr in 1st grade ....before a whislte is blown
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Edited by lol, Jan 18 2011, 03:21 PM.
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Jan 17 2011, 08:41 PM

MAAAAAAABEEEY! they will have the guts to ask where or what they will do with the $11,800 they got last year for the joint comp????????
maybe wests might buy the comp a few big name players with the $12K profit or subsidize rego or hire the stadium?
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This was posted on the Group 6 Forum by "rooke"

A NEW rugby league club in the Macarthur region is suffering from the fallout of the defection of two Western Suburbs district clubs to the neighbouring Group 6 competition.

Macarthur Bulls Rugby League Football Club cannot source a training base in the Campbelltown area because although the majority of its players hail from Ingleburn/Macquarie Fields/Glenfield/Campbelltown the club has applied for affiliation with Group 6.

President Matt Hughes said the 22-man squad was determined to play in Group 6’s division two competition.

Their application will be considered early next month.

East Campbelltown and Campbelltown City Kangaroos successfully applied last last year to join Group 6 last year after the combined Wests/Group 6 competition fell apart. Easts Daniel Draper (pictured) said at the time the club owed it to its players to give them the best competition it could.

Hughes said the Bulls hoped to base themselves at Onslow Park, Camden, for the season and hopefully Oran Park from 2010. In the meantime the club had been unable to find a training field.

He said Campbelltown Council would not consider an application because the Bulls did not intend playing in the Wests competition.

“As far as I know, anyone can hire out a field. I didn’t know you had to be tied to an area or competition,” Hughes said.

* The Bulls are planning to hold several fundraising days throughout the season to support Father Chris Riley’s Youth off the Streets program in Macquarie Fields.
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eagles, roos & bulls are training & they are training in the campbelltown area, but they will be playing in
the group 6 comp, eagles & roos have already been accepted, bull will be a formality at next group 6
meeting, if wests & council can stop this they are kidding themselves.
I will bet my house on it, these clubs are not even affiliated with wests or nswrl, so they do not have to answer
to them, as long as they play within the group 6 boundry.

PS: office work are having a special on spines, if there are any other clubs that would like one.
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Jan 18 2011, 11:27 AM
lol
Jan 17 2011, 08:41 PM

MAAAAAAABEEEY! they will have the guts to ask where or what they will do with the $11,800 they got last year for the joint comp????????
maybe wests might buy the comp a few big name players with the $12K profit or subsidize rego or hire the stadium?
well what has happened with this money, this money belongs to the clubs not wests,
it was the clubs that earnt it, SOMETHING DODGY GOING ON HERE.
This shoud be bought up at the next wests meeting, only 6 more sleeps,
but dont be supprised if your answer is we are not here to talk about that.

These figures are easyly obtained if i know about them then every one should know.
these figures would have been posted & accounted for at there AGM, thats right they
havent had there AGM yet, when is there 2010 agm going to take place as it is already 2011
have west broken there own consitution, but as LOL said they are a private company so not sure
what a companys rules are in this regard.
can anyone shed some more light on this.
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Jan 18 2011, 11:27 AM
lol
Jan 17 2011, 08:41 PM

MAAAAAAABEEEY! they will have the guts to ask where or what they will do with the $11,800 they got last year for the joint comp????????
maybe wests might buy the comp a few big name players with the $12K profit or subsidize rego or hire the stadium?
well what has happened with this money, this money belongs to the clubs not wests,
it was the clubs that earnt it, SOMETHING DODGY GOING ON HERE.
This shoud be bought up at the next wests meeting, only 6 more sleeps,
but dont be supprised if your answer is we are not here to talk about that.

These figures are easyly obtained if i know about them then every one should know.
these figures would have been posted & accounted for at there AGM, thats right they
havent had there AGM yet, when is there 2010 agm going to take place as it is already 2011
have west broken there own consitution, but as LOL said they are a private company so not sure
what a companys rules are in this regard.
can anyone shed some more light on this.
If this is true then you raise some interesting points CP. :letmesee:

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