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Talk of bargo entering the group 6 2nd div Boys play at Wilton before the bulls and Camden also fielding thirds inga boys pumped mount Annan looking strong and talk they getting the pub back as major sponsor 10 team 2nd div inga boys pumped better then last year 5 team wests garbage
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Talk of bargo entering the group 6 2nd div Boys play at Wilton before the bulls and Camden also fielding thirds inga boys pumped mount Annan looking strong and talk they getting the pub back as major sponsor 10 team 2nd div inga boys pumped better then last year 5 team wests garbage
At last nights meeting, the Group did mention Bargo and Bandanoon coming into the competition with a possible 10 team 2nd Division Comp, the Group 6 second tier will have twice as many teams as the Wests A Grade, wonder why?

It was also said that the Group 6 Competition could be the biggest in the state with a possible 1200 players registering for 2012. Appin looks set for 1st Grade, but the talk was about RSL Players heading to Mt Annan :correct:
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Nov 17 2011, 05:29 AM
Talk of bargo entering the group 6 2nd div Boys play at Wilton before the bulls and Camden also fielding thirds inga boys pumped mount Annan looking strong and talk they getting the pub back as major sponsor 10 team 2nd div inga boys pumped better then last year 5 team wests garbage
At last nights meeting, the Group did mention Bargo and Bandanoon coming into the competition with a possible 10 team 2nd Division Comp, the Group 6 second tier will have twice as many teams as the Wests A Grade, wonder why?

It was also said that the Group 6 Competition could be the biggest in the state with a possible 1200 players registering for 2012. Appin looks set for 1st Grade, but the talk was about RSL Players heading to Mt Annan :correct:
So if East and City gone from Wests, Mac bulls are a make up off ESA and Mac Fields, RSL going to Mt Annan, and Collies going to Appin, why don't these clubs fight against the current Junior League board, there is 6 clubs of players left for Group 6, doesn't that say something? Surely that's enough voting power? Maybe I'm too young and don't understand.
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Nov 17 2011, 05:29 AM
Talk of bargo entering the group 6 2nd div Boys play at Wilton before the bulls and Camden also fielding thirds inga boys pumped mount Annan looking strong and talk they getting the pub back as major sponsor 10 team 2nd div inga boys pumped better then last year 5 team wests garbage
GO BARGO!!! :) :winner:
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Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
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I hope maverick doesn't mind, but i used his excellent footage from the Grand Final and cut a highlights reel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7uyiBFKR50
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Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



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Nov 18 2011, 06:27 AM
Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



For the record Macarthur Bulls have no intention of setting up a junior base in Wilton so you can scrap that one off - we have intensions in the pipe line that wont effect any other clubs in any way but not worth airing in a public forum at this time :cheers: Macarthur Bulls will run a senior club for the next few years until all grades are filled then we will announce our junior base intensions once the senior club is complete and well established.
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Nov 18 2011, 06:27 AM
Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



Yeah it is extremely hard without juniors.
I think that is why our player retention is quite high, because we have to treat every player like gold.
We had the chance to snap up 2 Campbelltown 18s side for 2012, but decided against it, because it is not the right thing in the long term. Because once the Wests comp falls over, these teams are going to run back to their original clubs once the boundaries are redrawn.
The problem that the Bulls are going to face is that there is no one coming through the ranks. It is a constant effort to try and get young blokes to the club, and keeping them is just as hard. I think Matty is up to the task though
GRAND FINAL HIGHLIGHTS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7uyiBFKR50
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I hope maverick doesn't mind, but i used his excellent footage from the Grand Final and cut a highlights reel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7uyiBFKR50
That had to be one of the all time great group 6 grand finals,
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I hope maverick doesn't mind, but i used his excellent footage from the Grand Final and cut a highlights reel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7uyiBFKR50
That had to be one of the all time great group 6 grand finals,
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Nov 18 2011, 06:27 AM
Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



For the record Macarthur Bulls have no intention of setting up a junior base in Wilton so you can scrap that one off - we have intensions in the pipe line that wont effect any other clubs in any way but not worth airing in a public forum at this time :cheers: Macarthur Bulls will run a senior club for the next few years until all grades are filled then we will announce our junior base intensions once the senior club is complete and well established.
Ok, so I'm assuming from your reply that Wilton will not be a permanent base but a temporary home ground until say the Oran Park - Harrington Grove developments offer a viable junior population and infrastructure?
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Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



Yeah it is extremely hard without juniors.
I think that is why our player retention is quite high, because we have to treat every player like gold.
We had the chance to snap up 2 Campbelltown 18s side for 2012, but decided against it, because it is not the right thing in the long term. Because once the Wests comp falls over, these teams are going to run back to their original clubs once the boundaries are redrawn.
The problem that the Bulls are going to face is that there is no one coming through the ranks. It is a constant effort to try and get young blokes to the club, and keeping them is just as hard. I think Matty is up to the task though
GRAND FINAL HIGHLIGHTS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7uyiBFKR50
very hard for appin also we do have a junior based club which consist of about 85 players rangeing from under 6 to under 16s it will be a long time for appin to have the juniors required to help build the senior club as our town is only in planning stage for 250 new homes and our population is 2000 in total... Eventually it will grow and appin will have a strong junior base ...and in the meantime will just have to work harder to keep the senior club running sucessfully for these up and comeing Appin juniors...
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Nov 18 2011, 06:27 AM
Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



For the record Macarthur Bulls have no intention of setting up a junior base in Wilton so you can scrap that one off - we have intensions in the pipe line that wont effect any other clubs in any way but not worth airing in a public forum at this time :cheers: Macarthur Bulls will run a senior club for the next few years until all grades are filled then we will announce our junior base intensions once the senior club is complete and well established.
Ok, so I'm assuming from your reply that Wilton will not be a permanent base but a temporary home ground until say the Oran Park - Harrington Grove developments offer a viable junior population and infrastructure?
lets just say that i believe Macarthur/Campbelltown area can sustain 3 clubs playing in the Group 6 competition and be based along side their junior clubs :correct: in the interim Wilton is fine for us to run a senior club :cheers:
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Nov 18 2011, 06:27 AM
Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



For the record Macarthur Bulls have no intention of setting up a junior base in Wilton so you can scrap that one off - we have intensions in the pipe line that wont effect any other clubs in any way but not worth airing in a public forum at this time :cheers: Macarthur Bulls will run a senior club for the next few years until all grades are filled then we will announce our junior base intensions once the senior club is complete and well established.
Ok, so I'm assuming from your reply that Wilton will not be a permanent base but a temporary home ground until say the Oran Park - Harrington Grove developments offer a viable junior population and infrastructure?
lets just say that i believe Macarthur/Campbelltown area can sustain 3 clubs playing in the Group 6 competition and be based along side their junior clubs :correct: in the interim Wilton is fine for us to run a senior club :cheers:
Unless something major changes, hell will freeze over before wests management & cronies allow you back into their area but play in group 6. Certain people are far more concerned about maintaining their positions & power to be bothered to make sensibel decisions.

I have read the talk on the west's thread about taking public action but I'll believe it when I see it. Someone from the "powers that be" will make big promises to defuse that situation and then deliver NOTHING!
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Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



Black & White, what a great posting from you. Looks like you have taken a breath and put some good thought forward. In the future (5 to 10 years) I believe Bargo will be able to sustain a club. That part of the shire is going to be a population growth area in the future. Just look at the infrastructure that is going in at Tahmoor with the major supermarkets etc. These guys wouldn't put the millions of dollars into the area if they didn't know that the population in here will boom. If a Wests club is coming out because they are unhappy at the clowns that run Wests JL you have to ask if this is the right reason to set up a club. A couple of other questions that come to mind. What is the strategic plan that the G6 board have for the group. I hope that there is one because if they leave it entirely up to the clubs it could end up very ugly. Just look at Wests JL, no obvious strategic plan, an inability to work with their major stakeholders (the clubs) and players leaving the area to better themselves by playing in stronger and better run competitions. From the sideline, the enthusiasm for the new clubs is brilliant and the work that the volunteers are putting in is awesome, but maybe some powers to be in the G6 management just need to have a little bit of control to look at long term futures for these new clubs. Hope I don't get abused this time by the Wilton Bulls. The seige mentality will eventually grow tiresome.
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Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



Black & White, what a great posting from you. Looks like you have taken a breath and put some good thought forward. In the future (5 to 10 years) I believe Bargo will be able to sustain a club. That part of the shire is going to be a population growth area in the future. Just look at the infrastructure that is going in at Tahmoor with the major supermarkets etc. These guys wouldn't put the millions of dollars into the area if they didn't know that the population in here will boom. If a Wests club is coming out because they are unhappy at the clowns that run Wests JL you have to ask if this is the right reason to set up a club. A couple of other questions that come to mind. What is the strategic plan that the G6 board have for the group. I hope that there is one because if they leave it entirely up to the clubs it could end up very ugly. Just look at Wests JL, no obvious strategic plan, an inability to work with their major stakeholders (the clubs) and players leaving the area to better themselves by playing in stronger and better run competitions. From the sideline, the enthusiasm for the new clubs is brilliant and the work that the volunteers are putting in is awesome, but maybe some powers to be in the G6 management just need to have a little bit of control to look at long term futures for these new clubs. Hope I don't get abused this time by the Wilton Bulls. The seige mentality will eventually grow tiresome.
Fanatic some of your opinions are valid :correct: From macarthur bulls perspective we are here for the lobg haul :winner: just one thing if you want to be taken seriously call my club by its proper name macarthur bulls :correct: And we will consider not putting you on the gronk and air waster :cheers:
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Strong mail is bargo will be a west club defecting to grouP 6 all be 2 point players wonder what west club it is
I wonder what the long term viability of a Bargo club would be? (Not criticizing - just sussing it out aloud).

I think there are quite a few players in the area that would welcome the chance to play in a 3rd grade team - which is not something that either Thirlmere or Picton offer, as their focus is soley on 1sts & reggies.

But for a club to be viable long term, you do need a junior club to feed it. I know Oakdale don't have juniors and they are a successful club BUT I think that they would be the first to admit that not having juniors does make the task harder for their club.

At present, the population in the area wouldn't support another junior club - Thirlmere Juniors are doing very well number-wise but Picton Juniors have been losing numbers over the last few years. The re-establishment of Appin Jrs has meant that Appin locals aren't coming to Picton as they have done in the past and the traditional Thirlmere to Picton drift appears to have turned around recently as well.

In Group 6 Juniors there are boundary rules and very strict import rules - a club is only allowed 2 imports from within G6 into an age group and 2 external imports into an age group IF the player fits the criteria. The idea behind this was to protect the comp and stop the build up of "superclubs". Whether this is always successful is another issue.

If Mac Bulls intend to make Wilton their permanent home and intend to have juniors in the future, they will not be able to simply bring Campbelltown players into the area to form a junior club (see the above import rules). And, they will have an enormous fight on their hands if they try to take feeder areas from Appin's or Picton's residential boundaries.

This would be the same situation in the Bargo area - to establish a junior feeder club you would have to change the residential boundaries of both Thirlmere and Mittagong.

The new Oran Park Junior club that has been established has been done in a rapidly growing area but this is not the same situation in the Wollondilly area.

I suppose it depends on the overall intention of new G6 Senior clubs - are they there for the long term or are they there to escape the situation in Wests juniors? If, when the wests situation comes to a head (which it eventually will) these clubs intend to return to the wests comp then the junior question isn't an issue BUT if their establishment is intended to be permanent, then there will have to be a huge amount of negotiation and restructuring to be done in the G6 Juniors.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.

Once again, I'm not criticizing or bagging any club just mulling over issues that will eventually have to be dealt with. it would be good to get some other people's thoughts.

(This doesn't mean you Bobcat/Beefa-Dunn/pigstrotter - I'm asking for some sensible, sane comments.)



Black & White, what a great posting from you. Looks like you have taken a breath and put some good thought forward. In the future (5 to 10 years) I believe Bargo will be able to sustain a club. That part of the shire is going to be a population growth area in the future. Just look at the infrastructure that is going in at Tahmoor with the major supermarkets etc. These guys wouldn't put the millions of dollars into the area if they didn't know that the population in here will boom. If a Wests club is coming out because they are unhappy at the clowns that run Wests JL you have to ask if this is the right reason to set up a club. A couple of other questions that come to mind. What is the strategic plan that the G6 board have for the group. I hope that there is one because if they leave it entirely up to the clubs it could end up very ugly. Just look at Wests JL, no obvious strategic plan, an inability to work with their major stakeholders (the clubs) and players leaving the area to better themselves by playing in stronger and better run competitions. From the sideline, the enthusiasm for the new clubs is brilliant and the work that the volunteers are putting in is awesome, but maybe some powers to be in the G6 management just need to have a little bit of control to look at long term futures for these new clubs. Hope I don't get abused this time by the Wilton Bulls. The seige mentality will eventually grow tiresome.
Group 6 Juniors are fairly forward thinking and are currently looking at boundaries and possible future clubs, at the moment. They are holding a forum tomorrow to discuss issues that may affect the league in the future.

What senior clubs need to understand is that Juniors and seniors are run by separate bodies in Group 6 unlike Wests. It's not just a matter of a new senior club deciding they are going to have junior teams - these things need to be negotiated with the Juniors and believe me, the clubs have their say in G6 juniors - it is run by the general committee.

Both the G6 juniors & seniors have announce the appointment of Steve Hazelton as the new Executive Officer of both leagues but he will not have a vote in the decisions of either league - it is an administrative position. Juniors & Seniors will still be separate bodies, as they should be.
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Both the G6 juniors & seniors have announce the appointment of Steve Hazelton as the new Executive Officer of both leagues but he will not have a vote in the decisions of either league - it is an administrative position. Juniors & Seniors will still be separate bodies, as they should be.
What does this admin position involve ??
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Both the G6 juniors & seniors have announce the appointment of Steve Hazelton as the new Executive Officer of both leagues but he will not have a vote in the decisions of either league - it is an administrative position. Juniors & Seniors will still be separate bodies, as they should be.
What does this admin position involve ??
I'm thinking that it pretty much involves whatever the Group Junior & Senior secretaries do. Organising the draw, making sure all paperwork is done, collating results, correspondence with clubs etc. I also think that the position involves organising sponsorship. It's a paid position funded jointly by juniors & seniors.

Probably will know more after the forum tomorrow.
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