WE WANT A FAIR GO FOR OUR AREA, MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND MORE THAN 4 NRL GAMES AT CAMPBELLTOWN STADIUM
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| Blue Devil | Feb 28 2012, 09:59 PM Post #881 |
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As dissapointing as it is, Appin seems like they have pulled the pin, we had 3 players from Appin at our training tonight, looks like a 10 team competition.
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| foal | Feb 29 2012, 05:41 AM Post #882 |
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Stay tuned, I actually propose something constructive towards the end: Totally agree with TC here. The first time I heard the name Bargo Bunnies I got shivers down my spine. That's because I knew what it meant for Picton. As long as they are in existence we will struggle to field 2 teams. You'll find the same will happen in the highlands. There's just not a big enough playing population to accommodate 3 clubs fielding 1st and reserves plus 3 in 3rd grade. Just think, that's 9 teams, roughly 180 Players. If, all of a sudden, Burragorang formed a 3rd grade you'd see the Oaks and Oakdale do it tough. We've probably had a total of 25 players at training (not including 18s) for our 2 grades, and no more than 22, usually between 15 & 20 on any given night. I said it last year, and I'll say it again: I have grave fears for our reserve grade. We have had some players from last year move away which has had an effect, but the new 3rd grade has too. Black & White, I'll tell you why good young players want to play 3rd grade: because of the perceived relaxed attitude to training and easier level of competition. It's very rare for young players to simply want to be their best these days. They have too much going on in their lives. You may say, that it's the clubs job to show them that they're wanted and to keep them interested, but I tell you clubs are fighting a losing battle. I can tell you from experience, over the last 10 years I've seen a steady decline in the interest and commitment of players who are not regular first graders. I am generalizing, of course (some have excellent attitudes), but on average this is true. Nowadays your average player makes himself unavailable for a week or 2 each year because they're going to the snow or a festival or whatever. I'm telling you, 10 years ago this was unheard of. So, how to fix it? I think the 3rd grade is a good idea, but not in it's current format. It's not as simple as just saying "clubs with 2 teams play in 1st and reserve grades. Clubs with 1 play in 2nd division". There needs to be 3 divisions: 1,2, & 3. Similar to how local soccer or cricket comps run. That way teams can enter 1, 2, or 3 teams and depending on their strength can play at the appropriate level. Look at Appin the last 3 years, they would've beaten several of the weaker reserve grade teams. This way they could play at a higher level without being forced in to 1st grade. How does the grading work? Two week pre-season comp specifically designed to assess the strength of teams. Each club nominates their squads and proposed division. Each team plays 3 30 minute games each weekend against other clubs nominating themselves in the same division. Based on results over the 6 games (and each teams playing roster) the group then has a good idea of which division each team belongs in. I really think its the only way to continue with 3rd grade and ensure each club is comfortable with the level they're playing at, and therefore avoid the regrettable situation that Appin now face. |
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| Highlander | Feb 29 2012, 06:20 AM Post #883 |
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Westie we will be ok im sure rsl will need u more than us |
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| Jetter | Feb 29 2012, 10:03 AM Post #884 |
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Group 6 & CRL are in a rush to look good with the formation of new teams, promotions and expansions; without due diligence all to say that AFL is not winning the 'war'. Players these days have too many distractions and can't commit to footy, and as Foal says it is not like 10 years ago where it was unheard of that players would take absence from games to go to the snow, have nice weekends away with girlfriends or rest because they are fatigued. Players want to play with their mates and try to be loyal but they also don't want to be smashed week in if they are linked to a weak team, hence the drop off rate in reggies is very high. 3rd Grade only exasparetes the attitude that it is OK to be slack, be absent when it pleases and be there for the post game beers. Another hindrance is the NSWRL focusing on a stronger Bundy Cup competition, with a reserve grade comp as well. Though the CRL is a joint partner in the comp, it is the Group 6 that suffers as the players are drained from close by to play for the likes of Mounties, Cabra, Windsor, Titans and St Johns, not to mention Wollongong!! On top of quality young players being signed up by NRL clubs and then farmed out to their local metro competitions with NYC aspirations years down the track it is little wonder that CRL comps are suffering. Unfortunately clubs come and go and if Picton is 'struggling', as have the likes of Narellan, Mitttagong, Moss Vale, The Oaks, Oakdale and Thirlmere since I have been involved in Group 6 then there is obvioulsy concerns for the future. Clubs want to retain players to survive but when new clubs form and then grab players from other clubs then something has to give. Management will say that strong club committees will ensure clubs survive but its a numbers game and heading towards a survival of the fittest mentality. |
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| disco stu | Feb 29 2012, 11:50 AM Post #885 |
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welcome back to the forum jetter |
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| disco stu | Feb 29 2012, 11:55 AM Post #886 |
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Rams ready to make the hard yards BY SEAN CUNNINGHAM 29 Feb, 2012 01:00 AM http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/rugby-league/rams-ready-to-make-the-hard-yards/2470729.aspx ![]() Strong run: Camden's hooker Matt Jones fobs off the tackle from his Campbelltown City Kangaroos opponent on Sunday during his team's 32-6 win in a trial game at Kirkham Park. Picture: Sean Cunningham CAMDEN'S first grade rugby league team hosted Campbelltown City Kangaroos in their first trial match of the year at Kirkham Park on Sunday. Fielding some of their new signings, the Rams had a solid pipe-opener, winning 32-6 in their game which lasted four, 20-minute quarters. The Kangaroos' only try went to Anthony Dalton. The Rams took a 10-0 lead at the break and got better. Hooker Matt Jones had some strong bursts up the field and was well supported across the paddock with a number of Camden players eager to show their coach Mark De Ubago what they had to offer. "I was happy with our first hit-out as a team," De Ubago said. "The result was good but it was the communication, commitment and defence that was impressive. "We had set small easy goals and we now have set a standard for ourselves. "Neil Begovich, Sam Campbell and Joel Wisbey were great, but what was good was to see the confidence we showed. Rick Wisbey at half was good too, as was Chris Browne and Glynn Bester." With several players yet to return, De Ubago is sure to have selection problems come round one of the Group 6 first grade competition. The Rams go to the Hunter on Saturday for a trial against Denman. "Denman's population is about 2000 but they always put competitive teams on the paddock," De Ubago said. |
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| tc6_11 | Feb 29 2012, 02:45 PM Post #887 |
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You echoed my thoughts Foal. The decline in our Reserve Grade comp has come on the back of the DNC Cup. I played my fair share of reserve grade back at the beginning of the century, as you did, and I know that it is nowhere near what it used to be. Clubs like Camden, Narellan and especially Picton had Reservd grade sides that would more than rival last years Eagles team. The dilution of the player pool has to be looked at, because players genuinely see reserve grade as a massive step backwards now, and this is another reason for the club hopping that is going on. I know the group is trying to help out the struggling clubs by giving them a comp to play in, but we need to maintain a level of footy for our top level clubs. Your idea has a lot of merit and has given me a task to refine the details of it. |
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| Black&White | Feb 29 2012, 03:05 PM Post #888 |
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I'm posting this here rather than on the G6 juniors thread because it is important for the future of all Rugby League in the G6 area. Group 6 juniors has formed a working party to look at growth, player retention & residential boundaries so that they can plan for the future. So far some very interesting information has come out of this that senior clubs need to take notice of. Over the last 10 years the number of kids playing footy in G6 has grown by 65% which is a fantastic result especially when compared to population growth in the area. Population growth (info from Dept of Planning)
Comparing this to the growth in junior players shows that the clubs are doing a great job of growing their sport. The real issue for these clubs is player retention and there is a drop off in player numbers when they reach the ages of 14, 15 & 16 (also why the running of a 15's comp is decided on a yearly basis - depending on numbers). The questions that senior clubs need to consider are these:
Senior clubs really need to be aware of the trends in their junior clubs because that will ultimately flow thru to them. If a junior team is short of 13 & 14 year olds or can't field an age group one year then this will limit the number of 18's flowing thru to their ranks. Clubs like Oakdale, with no junior club, have a huge problem. The fact is that the population in the Oaks/Oakdale area can't support 2 junior clubs means that players living in Oakdale will (largely) play for The Oaks in the juniors but if there was an Oakdale juniors they would play there. In my opinion (and I emphasize this only MY opinion) they should be exempted from the U/18s rule and be classed as Oakdale juniors (Oaks supporters, drop the weapons and reread the part where I state that this is only MY OPINION.) The most relevant information to come out of the study is the predicted growth for the area over the next 10 years. (Info from the Dept of Planning)
This is great news for the north area but can the current clubs cope with the numbers and do they have the sporting facilities to accommodate it? Picton & Thirlmere clubs (even with projected housing estate plans, will only grown by 14% (the area has an aging population which will effect its growth). Fortunately, the two clubs could accommodate this small growth and they have adequate playing fields. There is no way the area could support a third junior club, without disadvantaging Picton & Thirlmere. The biggest concern is the South, which has become a retirement corridor - the land is too expensive for the majority of first home buyers with families to live there and this is going to have a huge impact on junior sporting numbers - clubs will need offer a more attractive package than other junior sports to retain/gain numbers and they need to work together. The junior clubs in the south are being very proactive this year and banding together with Harvey Howard to promote the game. Clubs like Warra, The Oaks/Oakdale & Appin will only grow when their areas are sewered and targeted for growth by the council. Under the Senior's points system (which is a good one from my POV) senior clubs need their juniors coming thru to remain viable and they need to be able to retain those players. Call me a bleeding heart but I feel that there should be a level of the game to suit anyone who wants to play. If people want to play third grade then let them, if clubs don't have a third grade team then let them go to the clubs that do. But after saying that, I don't believe that the "majority" of players are lazy bludgers that don't want to train and most would want to play grade if it was available to them. The Group will need to scrutinize the players registering in third grade teams to see that they are not rorting the system. Despite the long-windedness of this post I do think that the results of the study being undertaking by G6 juniors is something that G6 senior clubs need to take into consideration if they want to be around in 10 years time. On the matter of Appin - I remember the bagging that club got on this forum last year about playing in 3 grade and this continued through to the group meetings - well those people have gotten what they wanted, Appin aren't playing in 3rd grade this year - they aren't playing at all. (Maybe the situation last year could have been avoided and Appin would still be playing this year if Group management had been a little more vigilant at the being of last season.) |
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| number1ram | Feb 29 2012, 05:26 PM Post #889 |
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heard aaron firman had a blinder |
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| rustynail | Feb 29 2012, 07:00 PM Post #890 |
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I agree that player pool particularly in the Highlands is limited. I know for a fact that Mossy player strength especially reggies have been lost to 3rd grade comp. It seems on the money the Dragons will be in 3rd grade this year with only 2 players left from their premiership side of 2010. Some players haved gone overseas but a number seem to think a drive up and down Jamberoo mountain 3 times a week is a good move. Very hard to attract quality players to the Highlands but Mitta seem lucky enough to get a couple but must admit they have done well bringing jnrs into snrs over the last few years. Group needs to keep an eye on number of teams in 3rd grade especially when it is at the expense of existing clubs. |
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| footylover | Mar 2 2012, 10:41 AM Post #891 |
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Are there any trails being played this week ??? |
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| tc6_11 | Mar 2 2012, 02:37 PM Post #892 |
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Yeah rowing and swimming in the main street of camden |
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| footylover | Mar 2 2012, 02:42 PM Post #893 |
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Haha yeah I thought that although I was more wondering but any teams that are travelling for trails this week ... |
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| Black&White | Mar 2 2012, 02:47 PM Post #894 |
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All trial games being played withing Group 6 have been cancelled this weekend. Don't know about any others. |
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| AllSaints | Mar 2 2012, 03:31 PM Post #895 |
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ALL WESTS JUNIOR LEAGUE TRIALS ARE OFF |
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| FootyMum | Mar 2 2012, 03:51 PM Post #896 |
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Does anybody know if the trial game for Redbacks between Illawarra and Group 6 is going ahead this weekend |
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| dilly | Mar 3 2012, 08:42 AM Post #897 |
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I am of the understanding that the trial between Group 6 Under 18's and Illawarra Under 18's is being postponed to next Sunday 11 March, 2012 at Victoria Park, Picton. |
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| FootyMum | Mar 3 2012, 09:14 AM Post #898 |
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Thanks Dilly, my son got a message last night about it. I was really looking forward to watching the game this weekend though
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| foal | Mar 4 2012, 01:15 PM Post #899 |
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Some rumours getting around that Piggy Riddell has backed out of his Thirlmere deal and signed with the Oaks. |
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| tc6_11 | Mar 4 2012, 01:58 PM Post #900 |
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Mick Pes has been claiming it. Reckons Thirlmere went off too early |
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