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2012 season; 2012 silly season
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Mar 4 2012, 02:02 PM
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Mail is Appin club officially pulled out 1st and will not be fielding seniors in 2012 Can this be confirmed 10 team 1st and reserves for Group 6 2012
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Mar 4 2012, 02:47 PM
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Mail is Appin club officially pulled out 1st and will not be fielding seniors in 2012 Can this be confirmed 10 team 1st and reserves for Group 6 2012 Wrong! 9 teams. The group will have the draw out tomorrow. Moss Vale are out too!
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Mar 4 2012, 08:52 PM
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It's going to to be rough old night at the Group 6 meeting tomorrow.
G6 Clubs are going to have to fight again to maintain their independence with the "joint comp fiasco" back on the table. Apparently they'll be getting a visit from Mr Canavan and the supposed crl represntative, to throw that C.R.A.P. at us again. Last time the excuse was to stop the onward march of the evil AFL - the comp was a disaster! We got out of that thank goodness!
What a surprise, the west comp is still failing and now they want to use us as a quick fix again.
I've got a novel idea, instead of destroying our comp, why don't NSWRL fix their own damn problems and take a broom to the lousy administration at Wests - it really is time for them to cleanout the JL.
It's time to get ready to rumble people - if we want to keep our comp the way it is, it's time to stand up and fight for it!
We need to tell them: No Joint Comp! No "independent adminstrator" - we've already got one, thanks! No joint committee! No seats on the G6 committee for the JL flunkies!
As far as G6 is concerned, "it aint broke", so keep your damn hands off it!
On a side note: apparently another West club is about to pull the pin.
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Mar 4 2012, 09:09 PM
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The Oaks RLFC 1st Grade side competed in the Kiama 9's tournament on Saturday... winning 4 out of their 6 games they made the Grand Final and unfortunately went down to Worilla Gorillas by 4 points (14-10) great effort by the boys... all players performing well in the pre-season!
Edited by JGT, Mar 4 2012, 09:10 PM.
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Mar 4 2012, 09:51 PM
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It's going to to be rough old night at the Group 6 meeting tomorrow.
G6 Clubs are going to have to fight again to maintain their independence with the "joint comp fiasco" back on the table. Apparently they'll be getting a visit from Mr Canavan and the supposed crl represntative, to throw that C.R.A.P. at us again. Last time the excuse was to stop the onward march of the evil AFL - the comp was a disaster! We got out of that thank goodness!
What a surprise, the west comp is still failing and now they want to use us as a quick fix again.
I've got a novel idea, instead of destroying our comp, why don't NSWRL fix their own damn problems and take a broom to the lousy administration at Wests - it really is time for them to cleanout the JL.
It's time to get ready to rumble people - if we want to keep our comp the way it is, it's time to stand up and fight for it!
We need to tell them: No Joint Comp! No "independent adminstrator" - we've already got one, thanks! No joint committee! No seats on the G6 committee for the JL flunkies!
As far as G6 is concerned, "it aint broke", so keep your damn hands off it!
On a side note: apparently another West club is about to pull the pin.
Yeah well group 6 not allowing Oakdale to field an under 18s will be another thing. Poor form. 6 boys from Oakdale can't even play at their club
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Mar 4 2012, 10:57 PM
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It's going to to be rough old night at the Group 6 meeting tomorrow.
G6 Clubs are going to have to fight again to maintain their independence with the "joint comp fiasco" back on the table. Apparently they'll be getting a visit from Mr Canavan and the supposed crl represntative, to throw that C.R.A.P. at us again. Last time the excuse was to stop the onward march of the evil AFL - the comp was a disaster! We got out of that thank goodness!
What a surprise, the west comp is still failing and now they want to use us as a quick fix again.
I've got a novel idea, instead of destroying our comp, why don't NSWRL fix their own damn problems and take a broom to the lousy administration at Wests - it really is time for them to cleanout the JL.
It's time to get ready to rumble people - if we want to keep our comp the way it is, it's time to stand up and fight for it!
We need to tell them: No Joint Comp! No "independent adminstrator" - we've already got one, thanks! No joint committee! No seats on the G6 committee for the JL flunkies!
As far as G6 is concerned, "it aint broke", so keep your damn hands off it!
On a side note: apparently another West club is about to pull the pin.
Yeah well group 6 not allowing Oakdale to field an under 18s will be another thing. Poor form. 6 boys from Oakdale can't even play at their club I personally think that those players should be allowed to play for Oakdale - it's not their fault that Oakdale doesn't have juniors and there needs to be some give and take in this case.
The Oaks will argue that they have developed these players and the Group 6 U/18's rule should apply, they will also say that they won't be able to form an 18's without them. The Group management will make sympathetic noises, tell you to develop your own juniors and stick by the rule.
It will be a no-win situation for your club and those boys.
In the end those players will walk away from the game or sit the 2 years out or unhappily bite the bullet and play for The Oaks for 2 years.
It's not fair but this is the way it's played out in the past.
Maybe those boys should appeal to the General Committee - it's not so easy to say NO when they have to look them in the face.
Wasn't there some agreement way back about The Oaks juniors playing in Oakdale jumpers year about - or was that one of those urban legend things?
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Mar 4 2012, 11:48 PM
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It's going to to be rough old night at the Group 6 meeting tomorrow.
G6 Clubs are going to have to fight again to maintain their independence with the "joint comp fiasco" back on the table. Apparently they'll be getting a visit from Mr Canavan and the supposed crl represntative, to throw that C.R.A.P. at us again. Last time the excuse was to stop the onward march of the evil AFL - the comp was a disaster! We got out of that thank goodness!
What a surprise, the west comp is still failing and now they want to use us as a quick fix again.
I've got a novel idea, instead of destroying our comp, why don't NSWRL fix their own damn problems and take a broom to the lousy administration at Wests - it really is time for them to cleanout the JL.
It's time to get ready to rumble people - if we want to keep our comp the way it is, it's time to stand up and fight for it!
We need to tell them: No Joint Comp! No "independent adminstrator" - we've already got one, thanks! No joint committee! No seats on the G6 committee for the JL flunkies!
As far as G6 is concerned, "it aint broke", so keep your damn hands off it!
On a side note: apparently another West club is about to pull the pin.
Yeah well group 6 not allowing Oakdale to field an under 18s will be another thing. Poor form. 6 boys from Oakdale can't even play at their club
I personally think that those players should be allowed to play for Oakdale - it's not their fault that Oakdale doesn't have juniors and there needs to be some give and take in this case. The Oaks will argue that they have developed these players and the Group 6 U/18's rule should apply, they will also say that they won't be able to form an 18's without them. The Group management will make sympathetic noises, tell you to develop your own juniors and stick by the rule, especially with one of the kids being TB's son. It will be a no-win situation for your club and those boys. In the end those players will walk away from the game or sit the 2 years out or unhappily bite the bullet and play for The Oaks for 2 years. It's not fair but this is the way it's played out in the past. Maybe those boys should appeal to the General Committee - it's not so easy to say NO when they have to look them in the face. Wasn't there some agreement way back about The Oaks juniors playing in Oakdale jumpers year about - or was that one of those urban legend things? I'm not going to go in to it right now, but there's been more backflips than cirque du soleil. No one can be trusted in rugby league
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Mar 5 2012, 11:22 AM
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The old chestnut - a combined competition. Seriously, we are under the one commission now so why do NSWRL and CRL try and fight each other over the golden goose that is Group 6? The whole A grade competition across Sydney is in decline and whilst the Jim Beam/Bundaberg Red Cups have provided a tough competiton, below that level districts are struggling to run a comp. NSWRL should look after that first rather than try and bring Group 6 into a wests comp and prop it up.
Whilst Group 6 hark about it 'expanding' with the formation of new clubs Bargo and Bundanoon in reality it is in decline as Appin and Moss Vale have both withdrawn from 1st Grade, and 2 Campbelltown clubs in the 1st grade mix as well. My maths has that at 7 Group 6 1st Grade clubs, as compared to 12 when I was playing!
The Management needs a new broom through it to bring in new ideas, new sponsors and new operations. The Committee is virtually impossible to vote out as they vote themselves a block and if all clubs aren't on the same page then new blood has no chance of getting elected. Oakdale were always on a hiding to nothing having no junior teams and whatever players are loaned to The Oaks aren't allowed to play for their club of choice is a restriction.
I remember a former President of Gropup 6 stating that the competition is for the players and the clubs decide how the competition is run.....these days it is up to the Management Committee who seem to make all the decisions that turn out for the worse.
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Mar 5 2012, 11:38 AM
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It's going to to be rough old night at the Group 6 meeting tomorrow.
G6 Clubs are going to have to fight again to maintain their independence with the "joint comp fiasco" back on the table. Apparently they'll be getting a visit from Mr Canavan and the supposed crl represntative, to throw that C.R.A.P. at us again. Last time the excuse was to stop the onward march of the evil AFL - the comp was a disaster! We got out of that thank goodness!
What a surprise, the west comp is still failing and now they want to use us as a quick fix again.
I've got a novel idea, instead of destroying our comp, why don't NSWRL fix their own damn problems and take a broom to the lousy administration at Wests - it really is time for them to cleanout the JL.
It's time to get ready to rumble people - if we want to keep our comp the way it is, it's time to stand up and fight for it!
We need to tell them: No Joint Comp! No "independent adminstrator" - we've already got one, thanks! No joint committee! No seats on the G6 committee for the JL flunkies!
As far as G6 is concerned, "it aint broke", so keep your damn hands off it!
On a side note: apparently another West club is about to pull the pin.
I couldn't agree more with you B&W. These people in back offices just don't get it. Why should Group 6 with a well run competition with the Country Rugby League culture, have to be the sacraficial lamb to fix an all but dead in the water senior competiton that has been left to fester with it's problems for decades now. The same administration has been in place for all that time, why can't the powers that be recognise where the problem lies. Why do they insist on this joint comp senario, instead of fixing what is obvious to all, THE ADMINISTRATION at Wests JRL. What I want to ask Mr Canavan is "who is paying for your valuable opinion and recommendations"? I bet I know, is it NSWRL, I say no more, because in my opinion who pays the piper plays the tune.
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Mar 5 2012, 11:55 AM
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The old chestnut - a combined competition. Seriously, we are under the one commission now so why do NSWRL and CRL try and fight each other over the golden goose that is Group 6? The whole A grade competition across Sydney is in decline and whilst the Jim Beam/Bundaberg Red Cups have provided a tough competiton, below that level districts are struggling to run a comp. NSWRL should look after that first rather than try and bring Group 6 into a wests comp and prop it up.
Whilst Group 6 hark about it 'expanding' with the formation of new clubs Bargo and Bundanoon in reality it is in decline as Appin and Moss Vale have both withdrawn from 1st Grade, and 2 Campbelltown clubs in the 1st grade mix as well. My maths has that at 7 Group 6 1st Grade clubs, as compared to 12 when I was playing!
The Management needs a new broom through it to bring in new ideas, new sponsors and new operations. The Committee is virtually impossible to vote out as they vote themselves a block and if all clubs aren't on the same page then new blood has no chance of getting elected. Oakdale were always on a hiding to nothing having no junior teams and whatever players are loaned to The Oaks aren't allowed to play for their club of choice is a restriction.
I remember a former President of Gropup 6 stating that the competition is for the players and the clubs decide how the competition is run.....these days it is up to the Management Committee who seem to make all the decisions that turn out for the worse. Well it's not the management committee bringing it up this time. Their hands have been tied and their mouths taped shut for the meeting. It's Mr Carr & cronies again. I don't know how many times the clubs can say NO! before the NSWRL gets the message that "no means no".
The regional manager will be there again though which shirt he will be wearing will be interesting to see - it's a pity he has never donned a Group 6 shirt because I can't ever recall a time when he has actually back group 6. He will probably be wearing his NSWRL shirt or his West Tigers shirt.
This is the typical sneak attack tonight so fore-warned is fore-armed. Time to hunker down and man the trenches again.
Let's remember the 2 years of the joint comp as it was a nightmare for any club management committee.
- Decisions made on the fly.
- Wrongly graded teams (Valley in reserve grade)
- Constant arguements at the gate about entry fees.
- Wests players & team officials rorting the system by reusing passes at the gate by giving them to mates outside the fence.
- Collies getting away scott free with EVERYTHING!
- A certain Wests management official rude and aggressive behaviour towards Group 6 club officials at the Grand Final!
- Chopping & changing of the draw.
- Never knowing what the hell was going on!
It was a financial disaster for clubs and G6 management!
Yes give us more of that - you're kidding, aren't you?
In what reality does Mr Carr & his cronies live?
And the CRL is no better - too busy propping up their jobs to support our Group!
Hey Mr Regional Manager, here's an idea, why don't you support the people you're paid to support? FOR ONCE!!!!
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Mar 5 2012, 02:47 PM
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And the extra workload put on club executives regarding the data submissions of player , coach & other club officials details for ID passes. Obviously CRL rego sheets we used for years weren't good enough neither were issued arl accredited passes for coach & support staff , just meant more meaningless paperwork considering the group had a qualifications committee to check credentials anyway.Who could forget also wests jrl passing on Campbelltown clubs player points to group 6 towards the end of the season, very professional.
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Mar 5 2012, 04:53 PM
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Really simple here if the clubs stand together vote against a combined comp and refused to take part what can NSWRL do??
i heard that group 7 have been told to hold there draw as there sending the highland clubs down there as well?
Stay united cant be beat!!!
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Mar 5 2012, 05:48 PM
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Really simple here if the clubs stand together vote against a combined comp and refused to take part what can NSWRL do??
i heard that group 7 have been told to hold there draw as there sending the highland clubs down there as well?
Stay united cant be beat!!! Who is at fault here? I recall the clubs voting against a combined comp before it started, and somehow we played a combined comp in 09? Who sold us out back then? Then the clubs again voted against it at the end of 2010. I think people have short memories of the people who sell us all out. Someone entertained the idea of a combined comp, if they had of listened to the clubs back then, we would not be in this position now.
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Mar 5 2012, 07:17 PM
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Dad said there was a Group 6 meeting tonight about the combined competition again, any news??????
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Mar 5 2012, 07:48 PM
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Honestly hope it is not on as the Group 6 comp was looking good. Would be better if Mossy and Appin were still in though.
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Mar 5 2012, 07:51 PM
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Really simple here if the clubs stand together vote against a combined comp and refused to take part what can NSWRL do??
i heard that group 7 have been told to hold there draw as there sending the highland clubs down there as well?
Stay united cant be beat!!!
Who is at fault here? I recall the clubs voting against a combined comp before it started, and somehow we played a combined comp in 09? Who sold us out back then? Then the clubs again voted against it at the end of 2010. I think people have short memories of the people who sell us all out. Someone entertained the idea of a combined comp, if they had of listened to the clubs back then, we would not be in this position now. I know all to well who sold us out!!!
I was also present at Mitta RSL when WE ALL voted to disband and the CRL rep STILL TRIED to get us to vote the other way!!!
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Mar 5 2012, 08:42 PM
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Really simple here if the clubs stand together vote against a combined comp and refused to take part what can NSWRL do??
i heard that group 7 have been told to hold there draw as there sending the highland clubs down there as well?
Stay united cant be beat!!!
Who is at fault here? I recall the clubs voting against a combined comp before it started, and somehow we played a combined comp in 09? Who sold us out back then? Then the clubs again voted against it at the end of 2010. I think people have short memories of the people who sell us all out. Someone entertained the idea of a combined comp, if they had of listened to the clubs back then, we would not be in this position now.
I know all to well who sold us out!!! I was also present at Mitta RSL when WE ALL voted to disband and the CRL rep STILL TRIED to get us to vote the other way!!! Said CRL rep was MIA tonight - left it to Mr Canavan to present the report.
Very interesting - NSWRL really pulled a number with the parameters of his study - can't blame him though he was only doing as told.
Usual guff - south west corridor bla, blah, blah.
No mention of the evils of AFL thank goodness.
Over all he presented the report, made recommendations (a la NSWRL) answered questions and left.
General Committee voted - a unanimous NO!
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Really simple here if the clubs stand together vote against a combined comp and refused to take part what can NSWRL do??
i heard that group 7 have been told to hold there draw as there sending the highland clubs down there as well?
Stay united cant be beat!!!
Who is at fault here? I recall the clubs voting against a combined comp before it started, and somehow we played a combined comp in 09? Who sold us out back then? Then the clubs again voted against it at the end of 2010. I think people have short memories of the people who sell us all out. Someone entertained the idea of a combined comp, if they had of listened to the clubs back then, we would not be in this position now.
I know all to well who sold us out!!! I was also present at Mitta RSL when WE ALL voted to disband and the CRL rep STILL TRIED to get us to vote the other way!!!
Said CRL rep was MIA tonight - left it to Mr Canavan to present the report. Very interesting - NSWRL really pulled a number with the parameters of his study - can't blame him though he was only doing as told. Usual guff - south west corridor bla, blah, blah. No mention of the evils of AFL thank goodness. Over all he presented the report, made recommendations (a la NSWRL) answered questions and left. General Committee voted - a unanimous NO! Interesting that the report talks about "stakeholders" - NSWRL, CRL, Group 6, WSDJRL - but no mention of the real stakeholders, the players, the supporters, the clubs' committees and volunteers. We are the real stakeholders, not those people sitting in league central, conferencing, lunching, flying off to meetings.
Apparently he didn't talk to clubs because we're "too emotional" about the situation. The "suits" have a far better idea of what needs to happen than the people on the ground, actually doing it!
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Really simple here if the clubs stand together vote against a combined comp and refused to take part what can NSWRL do??
i heard that group 7 have been told to hold there draw as there sending the highland clubs down there as well?
Stay united cant be beat!!!
Who is at fault here? I recall the clubs voting against a combined comp before it started, and somehow we played a combined comp in 09? Who sold us out back then? Then the clubs again voted against it at the end of 2010. I think people have short memories of the people who sell us all out. Someone entertained the idea of a combined comp, if they had of listened to the clubs back then, we would not be in this position now.
I know all to well who sold us out!!! I was also present at Mitta RSL when WE ALL voted to disband and the CRL rep STILL TRIED to get us to vote the other way!!!
Said CRL rep was MIA tonight - left it to Mr Canavan to present the report. Very interesting - NSWRL really pulled a number with the parameters of his study - can't blame him though he was only doing as told. Usual guff - south west corridor bla, blah, blah. No mention of the evils of AFL thank goodness. Over all he presented the report, made recommendations (a la NSWRL) answered questions and left. General Committee voted - a unanimous NO!
Interesting that the report talks about "stakeholders" - NSWRL, CRL, Group 6, WSDJRL - but no mention of the real stakeholders, the players, the supporters, the clubs' committees and volunteers. We are the real stakeholders, not those people sitting in league central, conferencing, lunching, flying off to meetings. Apparently he didn't talk to clubs because we're "too emotional" about the situation. The "suits" have a far better idea of what needs to happen than the people on the ground, actually doing it! All Group 6 clubs stated though that they are happy to let any senior teams left in Wests come over and have a run in the 2nd Division as long as they abide by Group 6's rules. What is wrong with that?
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Mar 5 2012, 10:03 PM
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Really simple here if the clubs stand together vote against a combined comp and refused to take part what can NSWRL do??
i heard that group 7 have been told to hold there draw as there sending the highland clubs down there as well?
Stay united cant be beat!!!
Who is at fault here? I recall the clubs voting against a combined comp before it started, and somehow we played a combined comp in 09? Who sold us out back then? Then the clubs again voted against it at the end of 2010. I think people have short memories of the people who sell us all out. Someone entertained the idea of a combined comp, if they had of listened to the clubs back then, we would not be in this position now.
I know all to well who sold us out!!! I was also present at Mitta RSL when WE ALL voted to disband and the CRL rep STILL TRIED to get us to vote the other way!!!
Said CRL rep was MIA tonight - left it to Mr Canavan to present the report. Very interesting - NSWRL really pulled a number with the parameters of his study - can't blame him though he was only doing as told. Usual guff - south west corridor bla, blah, blah. No mention of the evils of AFL thank goodness. Over all he presented the report, made recommendations (a la NSWRL) answered questions and left. General Committee voted - a unanimous NO!
Interesting that the report talks about "stakeholders" - NSWRL, CRL, Group 6, WSDJRL - but no mention of the real stakeholders, the players, the supporters, the clubs' committees and volunteers. We are the real stakeholders, not those people sitting in league central, conferencing, lunching, flying off to meetings. Apparently he didn't talk to clubs because we're "too emotional" about the situation. The "suits" have a far better idea of what needs to happen than the people on the ground, actually doing it!
All Group 6 clubs stated though that they are happy to let any senior teams left in Wests come over and have a run in the 2nd Division as long as they abide by Group 6's rules. What is wrong with that? Haha theres no senior teams left down here warriors dont have any teams
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