WE WANT A FAIR GO FOR OUR AREA, MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND MORE THAN 4 NRL GAMES AT CAMPBELLTOWN STADIUM
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| Black&White | Mar 5 2012, 10:05 PM Post #921 |
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The clubs have no problem with that. Any wests teams can apply to play in Group 6 - they will have to be ratfied by the General Committee. They will have to play under Group 6 rules and the Group 6 management committee. We don't want anything to do with the JL management - especially the three stoogers. Come and play in our comp under our rules, that's it. Edited by Black&White, Mar 5 2012, 10:07 PM.
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| Life Member | Mar 5 2012, 10:46 PM Post #922 |
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That's not what we were told, we were told that Group 6 only wanted the clubs they have now, I will put this to our club and I know our guys would rather play 2nd Division Group 6 opposed to wests A Grade. |
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| doggiesgirl | Mar 6 2012, 12:45 AM Post #923 |
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to many new clubs ...not enough players that is why clubs are struggling for players...group 6 should be looking after the clubs allready there.. it will never be a combined comp .....if anything a bigger group 6 comp...group 6 clubs dont want the likes of the three stooges to be involved..its not about saveing the comp its about saveing her magesty..politics and sport bad mix.. |
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| westie | Mar 6 2012, 06:39 AM Post #924 |
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Rebel league!!! |
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| galahs | Mar 6 2012, 09:49 AM Post #925 |
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So what was the Canavan of Courage's actual recommendation? |
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| galahs | Mar 6 2012, 09:49 AM Post #926 |
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So what was the Canavan of Courage's actual recommendation? |
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| westie | Mar 6 2012, 10:09 AM Post #927 |
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I heard he pushed a combined comp to save the wsdjrl and give them a 50/50 share of group 6 Please as if that would happen fact is group 6 is fine wests are a rabble and have no bargaining power what so ever so need to piss off and run there own show Why should group 6 have to deal with the do do that the jl brings and it's clubs as well who cry about everything from paying gate entry to staking up teams/points bla bla bla it's just not a good fit for group 6 and I'd say only all saints would be the only club to be accepted in if group 6 take control of the area |
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| disco stu | Mar 6 2012, 10:14 AM Post #928 |
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Interesting that the report talks about "stakeholders" - NSWRL, CRL, Group 6, WSDJRL - but no mention of the real stakeholders, the players, the supporters, the clubs' committees and volunteers. We are the real stakeholders, not those people sitting in league central, conferencing, lunching, flying off to meetings. Apparently he didn't talk to clubs because we're "too emotional" about the situation. The "suits" have a far better idea of what needs to happen than the people on the ground, actually doing it![/quote] A bit arrogant of Brian to think club executives are blinded by emotion and cannot make level headed decisions . Thats why club execs are elected in these positions, to make responsible decisions on what is best for the club. Extracting this quote from Geoff Carrs email; "All stakeholders will get an opportunity to talk to Brian Canavan about the future competitions in Macarthur and at the end of the day Brian will make a recommendation to the NSW Rugby League which will be in the best interest of the competitions in the area rather than individuals or individual clubs" Interesting that "stakeholders" seem to only include governing bodies not the people at the coalface of local rugby league like you mentioned black & white, and that just one persons recomendations to the NSWRL may possibly decide the fate of both competitions. I believe Brian should recommend in his report putting an administrator into Wests Junior League to meet key perfomance indicators before they decide to dictate terms to Group 6.If a recomendation is to be presented, then it should go to the independent commision not the NSWRL, as there is too many conflict of interests with this situation when it comes to the NSWRL. Edited by disco stu, Mar 6 2012, 10:20 AM.
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| Black&White | Mar 6 2012, 12:24 PM Post #929 |
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NEW SOUTH WALES RUGBY LEAGUE & COUNTRY RUGBY LEAGUE SOUTH WEST CORRIDOR SENIOR COMPETITIONS AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TERMS OF REFERENCE Following consultation with the NSWRL and the CRL of NSW, the Terms of Reference for the Review were established: 1. Review and report on the existing senior competition structures and governance of the under 18 age groups to A Grade in the south west corridor involving the Country Rugby League’s Group 6 and Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League. 2. Consult with key stakeholders, internal and external, on the existing competition arrangement and potential for change. 3. Analyse relevant demographic trends for consideration in decision-making on the growth and development of Rugby League in the Corridor. 4. Determine and provide recommendations to the NSWRL and the CRL of NSW on the most appropriate competition structure for the effective management and advancement of Rugby League in the south west corridor with particular reference to:
METHODOLOGY 1. Research –relevant material 2. Consultations – x 59 3. Statistical information 4. Key issues identified
5. Administration of SWC RECOMMENDATIONS 1. The senior grades (i.e. under 18 to A grade) of the CRL’s Group 6 and NSWRL’s Western Suburbs DJRL unify to form the South West Corridor Competition (SWC Competition) with a view to commence the Competition in 2012. 2. An overseeing committee comprised of a representative from each governing body stakeholder, namely the NSWRL, CRL, Group 6 and Western Suburbs DJRL plus an independent chairperson be established to provide assistance and direction in the conduct of the SWC Competition. 3. The SWC Competition to be administered by the CRL’s Group 6 in corroboration with the NSWRL’s Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League. 4. A general committee comprised of 2 representatives from each SWC Competition club be established to make recommendations on the conduct of the competition. This committee is to meet on a minimum of 4 times per year. 5. A fulltime SWC Competition Administrator be appointed; the administrator to be a Group 6 administrator. The position is to be co-funded by the NSWRL and CRL. 6. SWC Competition Sub committees to be appointed:
The Competition Administrator to be an ex officio member of each subcommittee. 7. The senior bodies of the Group 6 and Western Suburbs Referees Associations to work collaboratively in the conduct and administration of the SWC Competition and to appoint a referees operations administrator. 8. A single SWC Competition Judiciary panel be established comprised of 1 person from each of the Group 6 and Western Suburbs DJRL bodies plus an independent legal representative. Brian Canavan Independent Consultant |
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| Black&White | Mar 6 2012, 12:44 PM Post #930 |
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Disco, there was/is no intention to get to the heart of the problem - the administration of the JL. Are we surprised? Old Geoff has to protect the JL sacred cow, even if the senior comp at wests disappears off the face of the earth. At the meeting last night someone asked Mr Canavan a question that really summed it up, "what needs fixing?" The problem is not Group 6, it's the wests comp. I can't understand why an area with a huge amount of juniors can't field a very successful senior comp? |
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| disco stu | Mar 6 2012, 02:25 PM Post #931 |
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Had a big chat with big esky today and he is also going to jamberoo in group 7 with robbie noble and scott drewe. I can understand his reasons , he is still motivated to play first grade and playing mossy 3rd grade just isnt going to cut it, frankly IMO and others may agree he is too good to play 3rds considering he is also a group 6 rep and one of the leading forwards in group 6. Out of respect to mossy as well he did not want to play for another group 6 club despite fielding some good offers from some ,but others think his move is selfish as they had him earmarked to capt/coach 3rds, he told me he is not ready to and doesnt want to coach yet. A few old heads from mossy are dissappointed he is going but they should concentrate on getting their house back in order now and take some accountability as to why they are in this situation now, being reactive instead of proactive has been one factor.These players want to play at a high level and if mossy cant provide that then you cant blame them for looking elsewhere. With robbie noble,scott drewe & elliot esquilant going to jamberoo, mark delamont going to mittagong, i have been told also that willie macdonald is also looking at going over the gib to join the lions also. Scott borg and willie played together at thirroul butchers in 2008 so theres a connection there. |
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| Black&White | Mar 6 2012, 02:26 PM Post #932 |
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Here's an interesting extract from Mr Canavan's full report. 3.3 Conduct of interviews with key stakeholders A total of 59 people were involved in the interview process. 52 of the interviews were conducted in face-to-face meetings, with the remaining seven conducted by telephone. The average length of each interview was 60 minutes, with a range of 45-90 minutes. Several interviewees were consulted more than once. Interview questions were based upon relevant components of the Terms of Reference. The interviewees/entities were: NSWRL
- Operations Manager - Dave Norman - Executive Assistant/Clearances - Joanne Farr
- Coaching and Development Manager - Martin Meredith - Manager Western Sydney Community and Game Development Unit - - Greg Mitchell - Research and Education Coordinator - Michael Asensio - Junior League Development Coordinator - Martin Shanahan - Community Relations Coordinator - Bruce Walker
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-Zeinab Saab, Kasey Badger, Jake Brightwell, Drew Dalton CRL
NRL o Director, League Integration & Game Development - Andrew Hill o Game Development Coordinator - John Wilson Western Suburbs District Junior RL o Julie Luke o Wayne Hardy-Smith CRL Group Six o President/Chair of Greater Southern Region - Grahame Andrews o Executive Officer - Stephen Hazelton o President, Junior RL - Peter Mehl Western Suburbs Referees Association o Chairman - Col White CRL Group 6 Referees Association o President - Kim-Maree Teale CRL Referees Association o Secretary - Kevin Riolo NRL Wests Tigers Club o Development Manager - Ben Rogers o Warren McDonnell – Recruitment Manager o Wests Tigers Development - Yvette Downey o Chief Executive Officer - Stephen Humphries CRL Greater Southern Region o Manager - Kevin Felgate Western Suburbs Magpies Rugby League Club o President - Michael Liubinskas South West Sydney Academy of Sport (SWSAS) o Executive Director - Gerry Knights o Sports Program Manager - Matt Rippon Councils o Campbelltown City: Councillor - Paul Lake General Manager – Paul Tosi Mark Berriman – Manager Healthy Lifestyles o Camden: Recreation and Facilities Planner - Lila Sawko Facilities Coordinator - Erica Pierce o Wollondilly Shire: Manager Facilities and Recreation – Adam Gray Facilities and Recreation Planner – Robert Szoszkiewicz o Wingecarribee Shire: Assets Coordinator – Peter Byrne Recreation Planner - Joshua Patterson o Liverpool: Acting Manager, Recreation - Fareena Wood Parks Coordinator - Warwick Bunyan Senior clubs o Macarthur Bulls President - Matt Hughes o Campbelltown Eagles Recruitment and Development Manager - Daniel Draper o Campbelltown City Kangaroos Assistant Secretary - Alex Melville o All Saints senior club President of Senior Club – Brian Harvey o Eaglevale St Andrews (ESA) senior club Coaching Coordinator – Mark Baird o Current Division One First Grade Captain (15 years in club) Individuals o Former employee - Projects and Promotions Manager, Group 6/Western Suburbs Combined Competition and current Men Of League Chief Operating Officer - Chris Bannerman o Vice President Camden District Cricket Association and President of Camden Cricket Club – Paul Clarke o South Sydney District Junior Rugby League Chief Executive - Tom Larkin Men of League o Patron - John Fahey (email correspondence) o President - Ron Coote ____________________ TOTAL 59 |
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| Black&White | Mar 6 2012, 02:32 PM Post #933 |
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I note that Paul Lake spoke on behalf of Campbelltown Council.................. Also that Mr Canavan didn't speak to? Appin Bowral Camden Mittagong Moss Vale Mt Annan Narellan Picton Oakdale Robertson The Oaks Thirlmere Warragamba What are we - chopped liver? Edited by Black&White, Mar 6 2012, 02:41 PM.
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| disco stu | Mar 6 2012, 02:38 PM Post #934 |
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Interesting that only officials from campbelltown based clubs were interviewed yet no officials from foundation based group 6 clubs jnr or snr weren't even consulted just management.
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| Black&White | Mar 6 2012, 02:46 PM Post #935 |
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You and i are thinking along the same line. Apparently it would have just clouded the issue!?!?!? I think what that means is there would be negative comments and we couldn't have that. |
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| Jetter | Mar 6 2012, 03:37 PM Post #936 |
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This is a disgrace! The Group 6 clubs should have been the first to be consulted, not leaving it to the 2 Gr 6 Presidents - GA & PM (who is also a CRL employee) who do not have the full support of all clubs. It is funny, no, damn ridiculous that others have a say in how Group 6 clubs will compete in a revised competition, such notables as the Councils, Wests Tigers themselves who obviously want the area, Camden Cricket (?????), a rep from Sth Sydney and no disprespect to the man, but Ron Coote, who I dare say would not be able to name 2 or 3 clubs that are in our area. I have no doubts that eventually a combined competition will be in place, sooner or later, considering the growth of the northern area of Group 6 and how that area is virtually metropolitan. Comparing what we have in our Group 6 competition as oposed to ARL vs Super League is a broad stretch but with change comes angst and if it isn't managed to the satisfaction of all parties then there will be resistance. Our Group 6 competition is a strong, vibrant, respected, slightly fatigued competition that easily surpasses what Wests has to offer and if the powers that be aren't careful they will kill the goose that lays the golden egg (thats twice i've used that analogy in this forum!!) If people are happy with what we already have then why go and complicate the issue with boundary changes and the like, at great expense it looks like too, just to say that yeah rugby league is in a safe place. By the looks of things all the important peeps were interviewed, and at 59 thats is an aweful lot of 'administration'. This process will serve the interests of Wests Tigers and save the jobs of Wests and CRL officials, but we in Group 6 will be serving new masters wearing a new hat that will not look after our history, demographics and way of doing things. |
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| tc6_11 | Mar 6 2012, 04:02 PM Post #937 |
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Might have to get on board while the offer is there |
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| Black&White | Mar 6 2012, 04:32 PM Post #938 |
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Also brought up the SWSAS old chesnut as though SWSAS was the best thing that could happen to Group 6. Said that SWSAS HM was made up of wests & G6 players. It was brought up from the floor that SWSAS actually has 13 bulldogs players as well. Only 3 G6 players (now 5 - a bit sus). The CRL contributes $10,000 to the SWSAS HM & Group 6 juniors $3,000. That's $13,000 to a team that has 3 (now 5) G6 juniors in it. The red herring was that now that money goes to all the programs - LOL - I was there at the AGM when the whole SWSAS HM scheme was sold to the juniors by the CRL rep and that funding was for the HM squad only. The clubs were given about 40 minutes to discuss the proposal and make a decision or the deal was off the table - another bum's rush so that a issue couldn't be fully discussed & investigated. That money would be better spent on the Group 6 junior Rep squads - 20 players x 4 teams = 80 players compared to 5 in SWSAS HM. |
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| Fence sitter | Mar 6 2012, 06:34 PM Post #939 |
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Why don't they just pull the funding? |
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| Black&White | Mar 6 2012, 06:53 PM Post #940 |
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I think G6 will but the CRL are too busy sucking up to West Tigers, who seem to think they own everything in G6 & west area - they apparently own SWSAS as well. |
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