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Mar 10 2012, 08:44 PM
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Mar 10 2012, 12:56 PM
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Mar 10 2012, 08:39 AM
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Mar 10 2012, 06:15 AM
Group 6 constitution says no more than 5 players from outside the area to play in the same side, so if the group stick to their black and white policy, then the bulls won't field a side. If Oakdale can't get players released because of group 6 laws then why can the bulls? Also Camden got 3 Warragamba under 18s. It seems like there are rules for some and not others. You guys keep trying to explain yourself, but you are not genuine.
TC don't know anything about the five outside player rule???? Not sure that is accurate. As for the Warragamba 18's going to Camden, well as far as I know if it is agreable between the two clubs there isn't a problem. Another thing, you should be concentrating on the problems your own club are facing instead of looking at what other clubs are doing. You are not doing yourself or your club any favours by bagging the Group. Those were pretty strong words you used. Instead of getting on here winging, why didn't your club get together with the group earlier in the year and try and work out some long term strategies for the future. The way you are going on you are burning bridges mate. Your problems are not player movements to your club, it is about points, and I think you know that.
To appease u I removed the last part of the comment, but as for whinging I don't think u understand the gist of my argument.
I am not complaining about other clubs, read what I am saying. I hope Matt and the bulls have a great year, and the warragamba boys, im purely showing that the bylaw is not just a black and white issue. I'm purely and simply saying that the rules have been relaxed for some and not others. And the oaks agreed to release the players that I am referring to, it's the group holding it up.
As for points, I don't know what you are talking about!
And yeah I'm bitter about it, you put 12 months of planning into something and try and watch it get crushed. Don't try and talk to me about no long term strategy.
Interesting you keep bringing up the 'Warragamba boys'... Warragamba don't look like fielding any teams in the senior competition, they have been getting 3 & 4 players turn up for U18's and 2nd Division, they may end up having to pull the pin like Appin - very unfortunate, the point is, if Warragamba don't have a side then the players can go to any club that they wish! The by-law won't apply to them as their local team is not fielding a team in their age group! So you can drop that argument.

Secondly, B & W hit the nail on the head - how are you doing what's right for the game by lodging 10-12 clearances for players to come from The Oaks RLFC to Oakdale? Forcing The Oaks to fold their U18's? If that is what is right for the game then i think your dillusional!

You say that we have all your juniors, YES that is true, but The Oaks JRLFC was built as the club to support the juniors from both Oakdale and The Oaks, so why should we coach and nurture these players for 10 years throughout their junior career just to have them stolen by Oakdale to bolster their senior ranks?

Also, i know for a fact that some of the kids that have gone up to play U18's at Oakdale have been contacted personally and offered things such as free gear etc for their registration.

You are kidding, you contributed to the players coming up. I remember you applying for the coaching job of our under 18s. Sour grapes?
As the secretary of the juniors u should know the total number is 9. Don't exaggerate. And you also should know that our community and players have contributed on many levels to the oaks JRLFC. Taking 5 boys from the oaks JRLFC to Oakdale that have lived in Oakdale all their life is hardly stealing. Get to know the club better.
I brought up the boys from Warragamba as an example, they haven't folded and those players have been at other clubs for a month. Same situation as us, so I won't drop that jake.
And giving surplus gear from 2011, like a pair of shorts and a hat to some under18s when they turned up to a bbq is hardly incentives. And if you want to make a complaint to the group, do it in writing, and I'll front.
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TC, I think you should look at it from the Oaks side, you may get different picture. Because looking as a Fence Sitter, it doesn't look good on your clubs behalf.
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Mar 10 2012, 10:22 PM
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Mar 10 2012, 08:44 PM
tc6_11
Mar 10 2012, 12:56 PM
dilly
Mar 10 2012, 08:39 AM
tc6_11
Mar 10 2012, 06:15 AM
Group 6 constitution says no more than 5 players from outside the area to play in the same side, so if the group stick to their black and white policy, then the bulls won't field a side. If Oakdale can't get players released because of group 6 laws then why can the bulls? Also Camden got 3 Warragamba under 18s. It seems like there are rules for some and not others. You guys keep trying to explain yourself, but you are not genuine.
TC don't know anything about the five outside player rule???? Not sure that is accurate. As for the Warragamba 18's going to Camden, well as far as I know if it is agreable between the two clubs there isn't a problem. Another thing, you should be concentrating on the problems your own club are facing instead of looking at what other clubs are doing. You are not doing yourself or your club any favours by bagging the Group. Those were pretty strong words you used. Instead of getting on here winging, why didn't your club get together with the group earlier in the year and try and work out some long term strategies for the future. The way you are going on you are burning bridges mate. Your problems are not player movements to your club, it is about points, and I think you know that.
To appease u I removed the last part of the comment, but as for whinging I don't think u understand the gist of my argument.
I am not complaining about other clubs, read what I am saying. I hope Matt and the bulls have a great year, and the warragamba boys, im purely showing that the bylaw is not just a black and white issue. I'm purely and simply saying that the rules have been relaxed for some and not others. And the oaks agreed to release the players that I am referring to, it's the group holding it up.
As for points, I don't know what you are talking about!
And yeah I'm bitter about it, you put 12 months of planning into something and try and watch it get crushed. Don't try and talk to me about no long term strategy.
Interesting you keep bringing up the 'Warragamba boys'... Warragamba don't look like fielding any teams in the senior competition, they have been getting 3 & 4 players turn up for U18's and 2nd Division, they may end up having to pull the pin like Appin - very unfortunate, the point is, if Warragamba don't have a side then the players can go to any club that they wish! The by-law won't apply to them as their local team is not fielding a team in their age group! So you can drop that argument.

Secondly, B & W hit the nail on the head - how are you doing what's right for the game by lodging 10-12 clearances for players to come from The Oaks RLFC to Oakdale? Forcing The Oaks to fold their U18's? If that is what is right for the game then i think your dillusional!

You say that we have all your juniors, YES that is true, but The Oaks JRLFC was built as the club to support the juniors from both Oakdale and The Oaks, so why should we coach and nurture these players for 10 years throughout their junior career just to have them stolen by Oakdale to bolster their senior ranks?

Also, i know for a fact that some of the kids that have gone up to play U18's at Oakdale have been contacted personally and offered things such as free gear etc for their registration.

You are kidding, you contributed to the players coming up. I remember you applying for the coaching job of our under 18s. Sour grapes?
As the secretary of the juniors u should know the total number is 9. Don't exaggerate. And you also should know that our community and players have contributed on many levels to the oaks JRLFC. Taking 5 boys from the oaks JRLFC to Oakdale that have lived in Oakdale all their life is hardly stealing. Get to know the club better.
I brought up the boys from Warragamba as an example, they haven't folded and those players have been at other clubs for a month. Same situation as us, so I won't drop that jake.
And giving surplus gear from 2011, like a pair of shorts and a hat to some under18s when they turned up to a bbq is hardly incentives. And if you want to make a complaint to the group, do it in writing, and I'll front.
I have a very strong feeling that after this morning's post calling the Group management "Liars cheats thiefs" you'll be fronting anyway.

Put whatever spin on it you like - you've done your club a great disservice.
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Mar 10 2012, 10:22 PM
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Mar 10 2012, 08:44 PM
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Mar 10 2012, 12:56 PM
dilly
Mar 10 2012, 08:39 AM
tc6_11
Mar 10 2012, 06:15 AM
Group 6 constitution says no more than 5 players from outside the area to play in the same side, so if the group stick to their black and white policy, then the bulls won't field a side. If Oakdale can't get players released because of group 6 laws then why can the bulls? Also Camden got 3 Warragamba under 18s. It seems like there are rules for some and not others. You guys keep trying to explain yourself, but you are not genuine.
TC don't know anything about the five outside player rule???? Not sure that is accurate. As for the Warragamba 18's going to Camden, well as far as I know if it is agreable between the two clubs there isn't a problem. Another thing, you should be concentrating on the problems your own club are facing instead of looking at what other clubs are doing. You are not doing yourself or your club any favours by bagging the Group. Those were pretty strong words you used. Instead of getting on here winging, why didn't your club get together with the group earlier in the year and try and work out some long term strategies for the future. The way you are going on you are burning bridges mate. Your problems are not player movements to your club, it is about points, and I think you know that.
To appease u I removed the last part of the comment, but as for whinging I don't think u understand the gist of my argument.
I am not complaining about other clubs, read what I am saying. I hope Matt and the bulls have a great year, and the warragamba boys, im purely showing that the bylaw is not just a black and white issue. I'm purely and simply saying that the rules have been relaxed for some and not others. And the oaks agreed to release the players that I am referring to, it's the group holding it up.
As for points, I don't know what you are talking about!
And yeah I'm bitter about it, you put 12 months of planning into something and try and watch it get crushed. Don't try and talk to me about no long term strategy.
Interesting you keep bringing up the 'Warragamba boys'... Warragamba don't look like fielding any teams in the senior competition, they have been getting 3 & 4 players turn up for U18's and 2nd Division, they may end up having to pull the pin like Appin - very unfortunate, the point is, if Warragamba don't have a side then the players can go to any club that they wish! The by-law won't apply to them as their local team is not fielding a team in their age group! So you can drop that argument.

Secondly, B & W hit the nail on the head - how are you doing what's right for the game by lodging 10-12 clearances for players to come from The Oaks RLFC to Oakdale? Forcing The Oaks to fold their U18's? If that is what is right for the game then i think your dillusional!

You say that we have all your juniors, YES that is true, but The Oaks JRLFC was built as the club to support the juniors from both Oakdale and The Oaks, so why should we coach and nurture these players for 10 years throughout their junior career just to have them stolen by Oakdale to bolster their senior ranks?

Also, i know for a fact that some of the kids that have gone up to play U18's at Oakdale have been contacted personally and offered things such as free gear etc for their registration.

You are kidding, you contributed to the players coming up. I remember you applying for the coaching job of our under 18s. Sour grapes?
As the secretary of the juniors u should know the total number is 9. Don't exaggerate. And you also should know that our community and players have contributed on many levels to the oaks JRLFC. Taking 5 boys from the oaks JRLFC to Oakdale that have lived in Oakdale all their life is hardly stealing. Get to know the club better.
I brought up the boys from Warragamba as an example, they haven't folded and those players have been at other clubs for a month. Same situation as us, so I won't drop that jake.
And giving surplus gear from 2011, like a pair of shorts and a hat to some under18s when they turned up to a bbq is hardly incentives. And if you want to make a complaint to the group, do it in writing, and I'll front.
Those players are The Oaks juniors - not Oakdale juniors - you don't have a junior club. They have played for the Oaks as juniors and, according to the Group 6 By-law, they should play their 18's with the club, Tom. So instead of having a shot at Jake, maybe you should read the rules.
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Mar 10 2012, 11:04 PM
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Mar 10 2012, 08:44 PM
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Mar 10 2012, 12:56 PM
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Mar 10 2012, 08:39 AM
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Mar 10 2012, 06:15 AM
Group 6 constitution says no more than 5 players from outside the area to play in the same side, so if the group stick to their black and white policy, then the bulls won't field a side. If Oakdale can't get players released because of group 6 laws then why can the bulls? Also Camden got 3 Warragamba under 18s. It seems like there are rules for some and not others. You guys keep trying to explain yourself, but you are not genuine.
TC don't know anything about the five outside player rule???? Not sure that is accurate. As for the Warragamba 18's going to Camden, well as far as I know if it is agreable between the two clubs there isn't a problem. Another thing, you should be concentrating on the problems your own club are facing instead of looking at what other clubs are doing. You are not doing yourself or your club any favours by bagging the Group. Those were pretty strong words you used. Instead of getting on here winging, why didn't your club get together with the group earlier in the year and try and work out some long term strategies for the future. The way you are going on you are burning bridges mate. Your problems are not player movements to your club, it is about points, and I think you know that.
To appease u I removed the last part of the comment, but as for whinging I don't think u understand the gist of my argument.
I am not complaining about other clubs, read what I am saying. I hope Matt and the bulls have a great year, and the warragamba boys, im purely showing that the bylaw is not just a black and white issue. I'm purely and simply saying that the rules have been relaxed for some and not others. And the oaks agreed to release the players that I am referring to, it's the group holding it up.
As for points, I don't know what you are talking about!
And yeah I'm bitter about it, you put 12 months of planning into something and try and watch it get crushed. Don't try and talk to me about no long term strategy.
Interesting you keep bringing up the 'Warragamba boys'... Warragamba don't look like fielding any teams in the senior competition, they have been getting 3 & 4 players turn up for U18's and 2nd Division, they may end up having to pull the pin like Appin - very unfortunate, the point is, if Warragamba don't have a side then the players can go to any club that they wish! The by-law won't apply to them as their local team is not fielding a team in their age group! So you can drop that argument.

Secondly, B & W hit the nail on the head - how are you doing what's right for the game by lodging 10-12 clearances for players to come from The Oaks RLFC to Oakdale? Forcing The Oaks to fold their U18's? If that is what is right for the game then i think your dillusional!

You say that we have all your juniors, YES that is true, but The Oaks JRLFC was built as the club to support the juniors from both Oakdale and The Oaks, so why should we coach and nurture these players for 10 years throughout their junior career just to have them stolen by Oakdale to bolster their senior ranks?

Also, i know for a fact that some of the kids that have gone up to play U18's at Oakdale have been contacted personally and offered things such as free gear etc for their registration.

You are kidding, you contributed to the players coming up. I remember you applying for the coaching job of our under 18s. Sour grapes?
As the secretary of the juniors u should know the total number is 9. Don't exaggerate. And you also should know that our community and players have contributed on many levels to the oaks JRLFC. Taking 5 boys from the oaks JRLFC to Oakdale that have lived in Oakdale all their life is hardly stealing. Get to know the club better.
I brought up the boys from Warragamba as an example, they haven't folded and those players have been at other clubs for a month. Same situation as us, so I won't drop that jake.
And giving surplus gear from 2011, like a pair of shorts and a hat to some under18s when they turned up to a bbq is hardly incentives. And if you want to make a complaint to the group, do it in writing, and I'll front.
Those players are The Oaks juniors - not Oakdale juniors - you don't have a junior club. They have played for the Oaks as juniors and, according to the Group 6 By-law, they should play their 18's with the club, Tom. So instead of having a shot at Jake, maybe you should read the rules.
I'm thru explaining the actions of the club, this is going nowhere, and im not doing myself any favours. I thought with a bit of knowledge of the real situation people would see it for what it is. But no one will look past the bylaw and im being painted as the bad guy. I/we didn't go down to our neighbor and pinch them, they came to us.
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Rumours have it from a Wests A Grade side, that talk of a COMBINED COMPETITION is still on the cards, fearing not enough teams in the wests comp and no Reserve Grade competion, will this go ahead?
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I noticed quite a bit of talk about the Mossy club and how the committee have let everyone down. Well one of my good mates is on that committee and he tells a very different story. The club was having trouble attracting new players (not through lack of trying), no denying that but they still had 7 players from the premiership side interested in playing but the majority those 7 felt that our juniors and reserve grade players from last year that would have had to step into 1st grade wouldnt have been good enough. Does wonders for those players confidence. So 5 of the 7 decided not to play at Mossy because they didnt want to tough it out and help some of the juniors through. They wanted a side laid on a platter for them. If they had all committed they may not have made the semis' who knows but at least they could have had a crack. I would think most clubs would love to have 7 premiership players in their side but lets take the easy option out and go elsewhere. :angry:
RUSTY NAILS....
Who are these 7 players you are talking about? I heard that the Club was yet to sign any players, not even any locals had put pen to paper at any stage. Pretty poor form by the Club only two weeks out from the start of the season & no players signed.
You would of thought the Club would have been talking & signing players at the end of last season.
If I remember correctly the Club struggled for numbers last year, on 3 or 4 occasions 4 to 5 of the starting 1st Grade line up played Reserve Grade so they could field a team.

Real shame about mossy come from wooden spooners to premiers in 5 years now all the hard work gone. Have heard things started going pair shaped after gf. Apparently noble hinted he might give group 7 a crack and not much was done to keep him and now mossy fallen over they are following carnt blame them sounds like poor management to me. Hope they can bounce back again. Will say this if jamberoo get the boys who have been making the trip down the moutain they will give the comp a shake.
Nothing was done to keep any players, assumptions were made that 'Locals' would stay apparently.
I agree, poor management. Players cant be blamed for leaving or 1st Grade not fielding a team.
Who are the players going down the mountain? Noble, Esky??
Anyone heard what Champion or McDonald's doing?
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OZzy mate I'd say NO group 6 starts in 2 weeks and from what is reported the clubs want nothing to do with wests junior management so it will never be combined ever again it's the UFC all over again for wests seniors and can hardly Blame group 6 clubs for not wanting to host UFC style football at their grounds
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I have been reading this site for months now and decided to join and post , so TC your saying that JT applied at Oakdale to coach these 18s, as he also coached the 16s from The Oaks last year i dare say he may have got the ball rolling way back to get these boys at your club, i agree sour grapes .....
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I have been reading this site for months now and decided to join and post , so TC your saying that JT applied at Oakdale to coach these 18s, as he also coached the 16s from The Oaks last year i dare say he may have got the ball rolling way back to get these boys at your club, i agree sour grapes .....
I know JGT and he is a hard working, dedicated young man. He's put a massive amount of effort into The Oaks juniors and I find it pretty offensive that you are attempting this character assassination. I find it interesting that you've taken the effort to finally join and post just so you can take a potshot at him.
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To be quite honest i have only just worked out who certain people are, and as for pot shots , TC has been coping a hell of a lot. All he is trying to do is help the future of his club. From what i have been told Oakdale, The Oaks and The Group have mishandled this right from the get go...
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Scrap points for 18s and allow out of area transfers and i believe the by law for oaks and oakdale should be merged so those kids coming out of 16s at oaks can choose to play 18s at oakdale
On third grade new clubs should not be allowed to form in close proximity to established 1st grade clubs especially ones with no juniors ie bargo,bundanoon the group should be encouraging 1st and reserve 1st and for most or next you will have Oran park,Gregory hills,mt hunter,menangle,Douglas park,Wilton spring up so where does it end
Thirds needs a massive over haul IMO
I agree with you westie 18s should be able to play where they like half the time they just want to move to play with their mates, they want to play footy not get involved nor understand the politics of it all ...

As far as third grade is concerned it came up last year with Appin and the 40point player ...the group was aware of this at time of rego as it was pointed out to group secretary by club secretary and we were told its not a problem he will be worth 40 points.. When the do-do hit the fan round 8 he was suspended for 8 weeks and never returned untill the finals his 4 family members also went with him..
Graham Andrews stated in future that players will be screened and that mistake will never happen again..How many points are players worth dropping back to 3rd grade from 1st grade?.. do they have to drop back to reserve grade if they are no longer deemed 1st graders?
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A great game of football played today between 18's Group 6 and Illawarra. Group 6 were getting done at the end of the 2nd quarter but came back to draw 36 all I believe.
:clap: Congratulations to all the Group 6 players who were selected to play in the Redbacks there were a few of them picked. I am pretty proud of the five players who made it from Macarthur Bulls though. Reece Fitzy, Gus Gibbo, Taliee, Junior and Rhys Norman.
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Doggies Girl you are spot on they should be able to play with their mates and at what club they want to. As with these kids from The Oaks.... Not sure if any of you are aware but one of these boys has a history with the Oakdale club that dates back to the foundation members, and he can not play where he wants, tell me thats fair.
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Group 6 constitution says no more than 5 players from outside the area to play in the same side, so if the group stick to their black and white policy, then the bulls won't field a side. If Oakdale can't get players released because of group 6 laws then why can the bulls? Also Camden got 3 Warragamba under 18s. It seems like there are rules for some and not others. You guys keep trying to explain yourself, but you are not genuine.
TC don't know anything about the five outside player rule???? Not sure that is accurate. As for the Warragamba 18's going to Camden, well as far as I know if it is agreable between the two clubs there isn't a problem. Another thing, you should be concentrating on the problems your own club are facing instead of looking at what other clubs are doing. You are not doing yourself or your club any favours by bagging the Group. Those were pretty strong words you used. Instead of getting on here winging, why didn't your club get together with the group earlier in the year and try and work out some long term strategies for the future. The way you are going on you are burning bridges mate. Your problems are not player movements to your club, it is about points, and I think you know that.
To appease u I removed the last part of the comment, but as for whinging I don't think u understand the gist of my argument.
I am not complaining about other clubs, read what I am saying. I hope Matt and the bulls have a great year, and the warragamba boys, im purely showing that the bylaw is not just a black and white issue. I'm purely and simply saying that the rules have been relaxed for some and not others. And the oaks agreed to release the players that I am referring to, it's the group holding it up.
As for points, I don't know what you are talking about!
And yeah I'm bitter about it, you put 12 months of planning into something and try and watch it get crushed. Don't try and talk to me about no long term strategy.
Interesting you keep bringing up the 'Warragamba boys'... Warragamba don't look like fielding any teams in the senior competition, they have been getting 3 & 4 players turn up for U18's and 2nd Division, they may end up having to pull the pin like Appin - very unfortunate, the point is, if Warragamba don't have a side then the players can go to any club that they wish! The by-law won't apply to them as their local team is not fielding a team in their age group! So you can drop that argument.

Secondly, B & W hit the nail on the head - how are you doing what's right for the game by lodging 10-12 clearances for players to come from The Oaks RLFC to Oakdale? Forcing The Oaks to fold their U18's? If that is what is right for the game then i think your dillusional!

You say that we have all your juniors, YES that is true, but The Oaks JRLFC was built as the club to support the juniors from both Oakdale and The Oaks, so why should we coach and nurture these players for 10 years throughout their junior career just to have them stolen by Oakdale to bolster their senior ranks?

Also, i know for a fact that some of the kids that have gone up to play U18's at Oakdale have been contacted personally and offered things such as free gear etc for their registration.

You are kidding, you contributed to the players coming up. I remember you applying for the coaching job of our under 18s. Sour grapes?
As the secretary of the juniors u should know the total number is 9. Don't exaggerate. And you also should know that our community and players have contributed on many levels to the oaks JRLFC. Taking 5 boys from the oaks JRLFC to Oakdale that have lived in Oakdale all their life is hardly stealing. Get to know the club better.
I brought up the boys from Warragamba as an example, they haven't folded and those players have been at other clubs for a month. Same situation as us, so I won't drop that jake.
And giving surplus gear from 2011, like a pair of shorts and a hat to some under18s when they turned up to a bbq is hardly incentives. And if you want to make a complaint to the group, do it in writing, and I'll front.
Ok Tom, now that you have done your best to make me look like an idiot i will explain why i applied to coach Oakdale's U18's... As i coached The Oaks U16's last year, i was informed by a few of the players that they were making the move to play for Oakdale in the U18's, so as i had developed a great bond with these players last year i wanted to continue coaching them... at this stage i was unaware of the Group 6 by-law...

Being told that several players were headed up to Oakdale, i then assumed that if this happened, The Oaks would be unable to field an U18's side in the 2012 competition... so i decided that i would apply at Oakdale to coach them as there was no opportunity for me to coach them at The Oaks due to so many players wanting to go to Oakdale, this making it IMPOSSIBLE for The Oaks & Oakdale to both field a team in the U18's...

I want to ask the forum - Is what i did, wrong?

As a coach you develop a great bond with your players and you want to continue coaching them, especially if it was looking like there was going to be no opportunity to do so at our club.
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As a parent of one of these 18s in question my concern is its not about the clubs ,this late its about these kids playing footy. The longer this drags out the high risk of losing them to either club. If The Oaks are the club that retain the kids, Oakdale should through the correct procedures apply for an exemption to this rule, because the way this by-law is Oakdale will never have a 18s team again, and i know they have no juniors but lets try and be be fair Oakdale have sent some mighty fine footballers down the hill over the years and a lot that just want to come home and play at the Workers.
And Buster as for the boy with the deep history at Oakdale he would love to play in the Red & Black on a field that his great grandfather,grandfather and father played on but because of whats gone on i can not see that happening this year.....
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Doggies Girl you are spot on they should be able to play with their mates and at what club they want to. As with these kids from The Oaks.... Not sure if any of you are aware but one of these boys has a history with the Oakdale club that dates back to the foundation members, and he can not play where he wants, tell me thats fair.
Busta I don't think it is fair that the mentioned the player you refered to, as many people would know who you are talking about. That kid is a decent kid who wants to play football and his parents are very decent people who would hate what is going on. If you are using him as an excuse for what has happened, I think you are out of line. The kid that you refer to can play for Oakdale next year no problems. Which is why I cannot understand Oakdales push for an 18's this season when they haven't had one since 2007. Maybe you can tell me, because if it is not because of the player you mentioned, why this year, knowing it would be to the detriment of The Oaks.
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Mar 11 2012, 12:36 PM
I have been reading this site for months now and decided to join and post , so TC your saying that JT applied at Oakdale to coach these 18s, as he also coached the 16s from The Oaks last year i dare say he may have got the ball rolling way back to get these boys at your club, i agree sour grapes .....
I know JGT and he is a hard working, dedicated young man. He's put a massive amount of effort into The Oaks juniors and I find it pretty offensive that you are attempting this character assassination. I find it interesting that you've taken the effort to finally join and post just so you can take a potshot at him.
You would find it offensive, and im getting a fair idea of what is going on now, the alliance here is clearer. You wanna talk about assassinations, you have done the utmost to hijack not just myself, but the entire Oakdale club.
Yes, young JGT is a hard working young fella, and at no time have i said he wasn't, but i deal in facts, not sugar coated BS that you continue to trot out (Character assassination on JGT, read the post again). There was no attempt to make him look silly, i stated the facts, and if they offend you, you are in the wrong game.
B&W you are in a position of authority, which is scary because you have not listened or read anything properly, and you are trying to misconstrue the facts that i have put on the table as a smear campagin.
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If clubs wanted changes made to this by-law why didn't they put this proposal up at the AGM last year so that the general committee could have discussed it and voted on it?

Tom why didn't Oakdale ask to put this on the AGM Agenda?

Doggiesgirl why didn't Appin put this on the agenda?

Why wait till the next season is about to start and then carry on about a by-law that is in place, that YOU KNOW is in place?

Did you think that the Group would just conveniently forget this was one of their by-laws and not apply it to your club?
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Group 6 constitution says no more than 5 players from outside the area to play in the same side, so if the group stick to their black and white policy, then the bulls won't field a side. If Oakdale can't get players released because of group 6 laws then why can the bulls? Also Camden got 3 Warragamba under 18s. It seems like there are rules for some and not others. You guys keep trying to explain yourself, but you are not genuine.
TC don't know anything about the five outside player rule???? Not sure that is accurate. As for the Warragamba 18's going to Camden, well as far as I know if it is agreable between the two clubs there isn't a problem. Another thing, you should be concentrating on the problems your own club are facing instead of looking at what other clubs are doing. You are not doing yourself or your club any favours by bagging the Group. Those were pretty strong words you used. Instead of getting on here winging, why didn't your club get together with the group earlier in the year and try and work out some long term strategies for the future. The way you are going on you are burning bridges mate. Your problems are not player movements to your club, it is about points, and I think you know that.
To appease u I removed the last part of the comment, but as for whinging I don't think u understand the gist of my argument.
I am not complaining about other clubs, read what I am saying. I hope Matt and the bulls have a great year, and the warragamba boys, im purely showing that the bylaw is not just a black and white issue. I'm purely and simply saying that the rules have been relaxed for some and not others. And the oaks agreed to release the players that I am referring to, it's the group holding it up.
As for points, I don't know what you are talking about!
And yeah I'm bitter about it, you put 12 months of planning into something and try and watch it get crushed. Don't try and talk to me about no long term strategy.
Interesting you keep bringing up the 'Warragamba boys'... Warragamba don't look like fielding any teams in the senior competition, they have been getting 3 & 4 players turn up for U18's and 2nd Division, they may end up having to pull the pin like Appin - very unfortunate, the point is, if Warragamba don't have a side then the players can go to any club that they wish! The by-law won't apply to them as their local team is not fielding a team in their age group! So you can drop that argument.

Secondly, B & W hit the nail on the head - how are you doing what's right for the game by lodging 10-12 clearances for players to come from The Oaks RLFC to Oakdale? Forcing The Oaks to fold their U18's? If that is what is right for the game then i think your dillusional!

You say that we have all your juniors, YES that is true, but The Oaks JRLFC was built as the club to support the juniors from both Oakdale and The Oaks, so why should we coach and nurture these players for 10 years throughout their junior career just to have them stolen by Oakdale to bolster their senior ranks?

Also, i know for a fact that some of the kids that have gone up to play U18's at Oakdale have been contacted personally and offered things such as free gear etc for their registration.

You are kidding, you contributed to the players coming up. I remember you applying for the coaching job of our under 18s. Sour grapes?
As the secretary of the juniors u should know the total number is 9. Don't exaggerate. And you also should know that our community and players have contributed on many levels to the oaks JRLFC. Taking 5 boys from the oaks JRLFC to Oakdale that have lived in Oakdale all their life is hardly stealing. Get to know the club better.
I brought up the boys from Warragamba as an example, they haven't folded and those players have been at other clubs for a month. Same situation as us, so I won't drop that jake.
And giving surplus gear from 2011, like a pair of shorts and a hat to some under18s when they turned up to a bbq is hardly incentives. And if you want to make a complaint to the group, do it in writing, and I'll front.
Ok Tom, now that you have done your best to make me look like an idiot i will explain why i applied to coach Oakdale's U18's... As i coached The Oaks U16's last year, i was informed by a few of the players that they were making the move to play for Oakdale in the U18's, so as i had developed a great bond with these players last year i wanted to continue coaching them... at this stage i was unaware of the Group 6 by-law...

Being told that several players were headed up to Oakdale, i then assumed that if this happened, The Oaks would be unable to field an U18's side in the 2012 competition... so i decided that i would apply at Oakdale to coach them as there was no opportunity for me to coach them at The Oaks due to so many players wanting to go to Oakdale, this making it IMPOSSIBLE for The Oaks & Oakdale to both field a team in the U18's...

I want to ask the forum - Is what i did, wrong?

As a coach you develop a great bond with your players and you want to continue coaching them, especially if it was looking like there was going to be no opportunity to do so at our club.
JGT read it again, there is no effort to make you look stupid.
I have no problem with the oaks, undoubtedly they do with me. My issue is the blind decision on this matter. You would be mad not to fight for these boys, but you would also be silly to make demands on them.
At the end of the day there had been a long standing association between the 2 clubs with under 18's, but with changes at committee level and men getting older, something has been lost. The time has come where we will have to field a junior club, and that will be to the detriment of the oaks, because if your juniors want to come up here without any influence what so ever, what is going to happen when we actually have rights. This is the situation i wanted to avoid, because the resources will be better spent on just 1 club in the area.
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