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Mar 11 2012, 04:26 PM
If clubs wanted changes made to this by-law why didn't they put this proposal up at the AGM last year so that the general committee could have discussed it and voted on it?

Tom why didn't Oakdale ask to put this on the AGM Agenda?

Doggiesgirl why didn't Appin put this on the agenda?

Why wait till the next season is about to start and then carry on about a by-law that is in place, that YOU KNOW is in place?

Did you think that the Group would just conveniently forget this was one of their by-laws and not apply it to your club?
B&W speak to Charlie Rogers from The Oaks, he will tell you that the agreement has always been we let the boys play wherever the side will be for that year.
In 2000, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2007 we never had any problems.
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Mar 11 2012, 04:38 PM
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Mar 11 2012, 04:26 PM
If clubs wanted changes made to this by-law why didn't they put this proposal up at the AGM last year so that the general committee could have discussed it and voted on it?

Tom why didn't Oakdale ask to put this on the AGM Agenda?

Doggiesgirl why didn't Appin put this on the agenda?

Why wait till the next season is about to start and then carry on about a by-law that is in place, that YOU KNOW is in place?

Did you think that the Group would just conveniently forget this was one of their by-laws and not apply it to your club?
B&W speak to Charlie Rogers from The Oaks, he will tell you that the agreement has always been we let the boys play wherever the side will be for that year.
In 2000, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2007 we never had any problems.
TC just out of curiosity, how many Oaks kids were in your 2007 18's side? If I remember rightly you had a load from Narellan and other clubs that year. Also out of curiosity did The Oaks have a problem fielding a side in 2007? Of course this was before the by-law was put in place to protect Senior Clubs from losing 18's to other clubs.
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Mar 11 2012, 12:36 PM
I have been reading this site for months now and decided to join and post , so TC your saying that JT applied at Oakdale to coach these 18s, as he also coached the 16s from The Oaks last year i dare say he may have got the ball rolling way back to get these boys at your club, i agree sour grapes .....
I know JGT and he is a hard working, dedicated young man. He's put a massive amount of effort into The Oaks juniors and I find it pretty offensive that you are attempting this character assassination. I find it interesting that you've taken the effort to finally join and post just so you can take a potshot at him.
You would find it offensive, and im getting a fair idea of what is going on now, the alliance here is clearer. You wanna talk about assassinations, you have done the utmost to hijack not just myself, but the entire Oakdale club.
Yes, young JGT is a hard working young fella, and at no time have i said he wasn't, but i deal in facts, not sugar coated BS that you continue to trot out (Character assassination on JGT, read the post again). There was no attempt to make him look silly, i stated the facts, and if they offend you, you are in the wrong game.
B&W you are in a position of authority, which is scary because you have not listened or read anything properly, and you are trying to misconstrue the facts that i have put on the table as a smear campagin.
TC If you are refering to my position as a moderator how is this any different to you?

You are the one that posted that the group 6 management were "Liars cheats thiefs". You say you deal in facts - is this a fact? Or is this just some slanderous muck-raking on your part?

You stated that JGT was posting due to "sour grapes" - is that not casting aspersions on his character? Is this a known "fact" or your opinion?

As to your accusations,
"You would find it offensive, and im getting a fair idea of what is going on now, the alliance here is clearer. You wanna talk about assassinations, you have done the utmost to hijack not just myself, but the entire Oakdale club."

I don't know who the hell you think I am but the only time I've been to Oakdale club is to watch my son play footy there? The only alliance I have is to Group 6 Rugby league - I want them in a stand alone comp. I want the juniors to have a place to play footy in a safe, family environment. I want our comps - junior & senior - to be strong and well disciplined. I don't hold any official position on any management at club or group level.

So tell me how I have hijacked you and the whole Oakdale club? I'm all ears and I'm sure now that you've made that accusation you've got the facts to back it! After all you deal in facts, don't you?

If you don't have those facts you better be posting an apology here!
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Mar 11 2012, 04:38 PM
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Mar 11 2012, 04:26 PM
If clubs wanted changes made to this by-law why didn't they put this proposal up at the AGM last year so that the general committee could have discussed it and voted on it?

Tom why didn't Oakdale ask to put this on the AGM Agenda?

Doggiesgirl why didn't Appin put this on the agenda?

Why wait till the next season is about to start and then carry on about a by-law that is in place, that YOU KNOW is in place?

Did you think that the Group would just conveniently forget this was one of their by-laws and not apply it to your club?
B&W speak to Charlie Rogers from The Oaks, he will tell you that the agreement has always been we let the boys play wherever the side will be for that year.
In 2000, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2007 we never had any problems.
You must have missed my question about why you didn't propose a motion at last years AGM in regard to the U/18's by-law?

Did you apply to have the rules relaxed for Oakdale at that meeting?
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Mar 11 2012, 04:53 PM
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Mar 11 2012, 04:38 PM
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Mar 11 2012, 04:26 PM
If clubs wanted changes made to this by-law why didn't they put this proposal up at the AGM last year so that the general committee could have discussed it and voted on it?

Tom why didn't Oakdale ask to put this on the AGM Agenda?

Doggiesgirl why didn't Appin put this on the agenda?

Why wait till the next season is about to start and then carry on about a by-law that is in place, that YOU KNOW is in place?

Did you think that the Group would just conveniently forget this was one of their by-laws and not apply it to your club?
B&W speak to Charlie Rogers from The Oaks, he will tell you that the agreement has always been we let the boys play wherever the side will be for that year.
In 2000, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2007 we never had any problems.
You must have missed my question about why you didn't propose a motion at last years AGM in regard to the U/18's by-law?

Did you apply to have the rules relaxed for Oakdale at that meeting?
With JGT i was asking the question is it sour grapes, it's not a far stretch to draw that conclusion is it? You're the one trying to cast aspersions.
I will say this, i was mis-informed on the by-law, i was infact told by a group 6 delegate that the by-law has been in place for more than 30 years, and i've since found out this is not the case. And we never applied for anything because of the situation has risen in previous seasons.
Your words, We are trying to swoop on Oaks juniors, underhanded tactics, etc. You get no apology from me.
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Ok just putting this out there, five of these kids came back to my house on Friday night after training for dinner and a shower, and the comments were maybe we sholuld just go to a Campbelltown club and get out of this .... How is that good for Group Six .s
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Ok just putting this out there, five of these kids came back to my house on Friday night after training for dinner and a shower, and the comments were maybe we sholuld just go to a Campbelltown club and get out of this .... How is that good for Group Six .s
Well that's a slap in the face for the club that they've happily played juniors at. So it's a case of "if we don't get our way then we will take our ball and go to wests".

I agree with you footyshorts, it isn't good for the group but there are procedures in place that need to be followed - did Oakdale do this?
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Mar 11 2012, 05:14 PM
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Mar 11 2012, 04:53 PM
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Mar 11 2012, 04:38 PM
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Mar 11 2012, 04:26 PM
If clubs wanted changes made to this by-law why didn't they put this proposal up at the AGM last year so that the general committee could have discussed it and voted on it?

Tom why didn't Oakdale ask to put this on the AGM Agenda?

Doggiesgirl why didn't Appin put this on the agenda?

Why wait till the next season is about to start and then carry on about a by-law that is in place, that YOU KNOW is in place?

Did you think that the Group would just conveniently forget this was one of their by-laws and not apply it to your club?
B&W speak to Charlie Rogers from The Oaks, he will tell you that the agreement has always been we let the boys play wherever the side will be for that year.
In 2000, 2001, 2005, 2006, 2007 we never had any problems.
You must have missed my question about why you didn't propose a motion at last years AGM in regard to the U/18's by-law?

Did you apply to have the rules relaxed for Oakdale at that meeting?
With JGT i was asking the question is it sour grapes, it's not a far stretch to draw that conclusion is it? You're the one trying to cast aspersions.
I will say this, i was mis-informed on the by-law, i was infact told by a group 6 delegate that the by-law has been in place for more than 30 years, and i've since found out this is not the case. And we never applied for anything because of the situation has risen in previous seasons.
Your words, We are trying to swoop on Oaks juniors, underhanded tactics, etc. You get no apology from me.
You haven't explained how I've "done the utmost to hijack not just myself, but the entire Oakdale club."


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Wow this is starting to look a bit like the wests thread here I had to double check ...
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Mar 11 2012, 06:20 PM
Wow this is starting to look a bit like the wests thread here I had to double check ...
I agree - maybe that's why the group has rules & by-laws that they apply to everyone - so we won't become a wests comp.
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Would love to know what Group 6 kid's got picked in the Redback's side today. Heard about the esa kids but if anyone else knows of kids from their clubs that got selected can you please post them.

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Back to the footy - Mac Bulls 24 beat Mt Kembla 12 - good tuff hit out in the heat and great to be playing footy again given the big wet - well done to our 5 18s making Redback selection they have done them selves families and team and club proud well done boys its a massive boast for the club in our 2nd year to have players of this calabire involved in our club.

PS - Footy mum give your self a pat on the back also your player management skills and bond with the boys is 2nd to none and a credit to you the job you do is fantastic and i bet more teams wish they had their own footymum as good as you - great news well done!!!
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Mar 11 2012, 06:28 PM
Would love to know what Group 6 kid's got picked in the Redback's side today. Heard about the esa kids but if anyone else knows of kids from their clubs that got selected can you please post them.

Macarthur Bulls kids BW not ESA :winner:
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Would love to know what Group 6 kid's got picked in the Redback's side today. Heard about the esa kids but if anyone else knows of kids from their clubs that got selected can you please post them.

Macarthur Bulls kids BW not ESA :winner:
Do you know which other G6 kids were selected?
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The attacks on the Oakdale club are out of line - Tom is a good bloke and doing his best to field an 18s nothing else - we are in the same position with no juniors and its a massive effort given by-laws and points, lets remeber an Oakdale 18s is good for the Group and if the Oaks kids want to play there i am of the belief that the by law needs relaxing in this case, we had a similiar situation with a kid from Narellan wanting to play with us who we had to turn away and 3 from City also due to points were turned away, As it is our 18s have scrapped together a great squad with footymum and their coach pulling them together, we are being scrutinised on our points but we will be fine and make it happen - I personally hope common sense prevails and Oakdale field an 18s this year , all the hard work Tommy has put in should not go down the drain.
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Mar 11 2012, 06:46 PM
The attacks on the Oakdale club are out of line - Tom is a good bloke and doing his best to field an 18s nothing else - we are in the same position with no juniors and its a massive effort given by-laws and points, lets remeber an Oakdale 18s is good for the Group and if the Oaks kids want to play there i am of the belief that the by law needs relaxing in this case, we had a similiar situation with a kid from Narellan wanting to play with us who we had to turn away and 3 from City also due to points were turned away, As it is our 18s have scrapped together a great squad with footymum and their coach pulling them together, we are being scrutinised on our points but we will be fine and make it happen - I personally hope common sense prevails and Oakdale field an 18s this year , all the hard work Tommy has put in should not go down the drain.
There are lots of good people witin group 6 and there are alot of good people at the oaks as well. There are people in clubs who have worked long and hard to develop their juniors and then have them come through to their seniors. People want to come into group 6 because it's a strong, well disciplined competition.

I remember very clearly the principal of the high school my kids went to saying that parent's always list the school's discipline and high standands as a reason why they want to send their kids there but many think execptions need to be made when it's their kid in trouble.

This is the same situation, clubs need to play by the rules. If they want a rule changed then they can go to the general committee to get them changed. There's a right way to go about things. Take your concerns or requests for exceptions to the general committee - clubs can add items to the agenda in general business. That way all clubs have the chance to discuss the issues and make a decision.

I understand your support of Oakdale because you are in the same boat - no junior club. Appin have a junior club that is growing so in a few more years this won't be an issue, hopefully.

You say the attacks on Oakdale are out of line - was TC's statement that the management committee were "Liars cheats thiefs" in line?
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The bi laws are in place as so kids coming in from jnrs go to there parent snr club. BUT if a kid is forced to go to another club as his local Club or town dont have teams he should be allowed to return once there is a team for them.

Its very common for a kid to start at say for example Robbo and a few years later go to Mossy as there is no team and than end up returning a few years down the track. I think Hindmarsh had that as a jnr?

Funny how in soccer or cricket aslong as you pay your fees you can play for whoever you like??

With the region growing could there be a oakdale jnr club down the track TC??
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Mar 11 2012, 07:17 PM
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The attacks on the Oakdale club are out of line - Tom is a good bloke and doing his best to field an 18s nothing else - we are in the same position with no juniors and its a massive effort given by-laws and points, lets remeber an Oakdale 18s is good for the Group and if the Oaks kids want to play there i am of the belief that the by law needs relaxing in this case, we had a similiar situation with a kid from Narellan wanting to play with us who we had to turn away and 3 from City also due to points were turned away, As it is our 18s have scrapped together a great squad with footymum and their coach pulling them together, we are being scrutinised on our points but we will be fine and make it happen - I personally hope common sense prevails and Oakdale field an 18s this year , all the hard work Tommy has put in should not go down the drain.
There are lots of good people witin group 6 and there are alot of good people at the oaks as well. There are people in clubs who have worked long and hard to develop their juniors and then have them come through to their seniors. People want to come into group 6 because it's a strong, well disciplined competition.

I remember very clearly the principal of the high school my kids went to saying that parent's always list the school's discipline and high standands as a reason why they want to send their kids there but many think execptions need to be made when it's their kid in trouble.

This is the same situation, clubs need to play by the rules. If they want a rule changed then they can go to the general committee to get them changed. There's a right way to go about things. Take your concerns or requests for exceptions to the general committee - clubs can add items to the agenda in general business. That way all clubs have the chance to discuss the issues and make a decision.

I understand your support of Oakdale because you are in the same boat - no junior club. Appin have a junior club that is growing so in a few more years this won't be an issue, hopefully.

You say the attacks on Oakdale are out of line - was TC's statement that the management committee were "Liars cheats thiefs" in line?
I support Tom and Oakdale because i believe they have done nothing out of line its that simple, Being portaryed as poachers IMO is way out of line, A Group committe member even incinuated this at the meeting when Dave was pleading his case, you where there you heard and funny enough the committe member was a former Oaks president,Lucky he was stopped before he said what he really was thinking :finger: :finger:
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As a parent of one of these 18s in question my concern is its not about the clubs ,this late its about these kids playing footy. The longer this drags out the high risk of losing them to either club. If The Oaks are the club that retain the kids, Oakdale should through the correct procedures apply for an exemption to this rule, because the way this by-law is Oakdale will never have a 18s team again, and i know they have no juniors but lets try and be be fair Oakdale have sent some mighty fine footballers down the hill over the years and a lot that just want to come home and play at the Workers.
And Buster as for the boy with the deep history at Oakdale he would love to play in the Red & Black on a field that his great grandfather,grandfather and father played on but because of whats gone on i can not see that happening this year.....
its about putting these boys on the park to play...as I have said in the past when it comes to clearing players no matter what the age group is if our club denys them and they cant play for another group 6 side they will either give the sport away or go play in another competion like penrith...
This issue needs to be addressed the next at monthly meetings with a view for a new motion and if that does not work maybe juniors from oakdale that go to play for the oaks should have their parents add an add on rego papers that when they turn 16 the oaks club will release them to play for oakdale if thats still there wish.may not be a problem solver now but could be in the future..
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Ok just putting this out there, five of these kids came back to my house on Friday night after training for dinner and a shower, and the comments were maybe we sholuld just go to a Campbelltown club and get out of this .... How is that good for Group Six .s
Well that's a slap in the face for the club that they've happily played juniors at. So it's a case of "if we don't get our way then we will take our ball and go to wests".

I agree with you footyshorts, it isn't good for the group but there are procedures in place that need to be followed - did Oakdale do this?
these are kids there is no loyalty they dont understand the politics...I have heard it at appin as well they will find another club or go play soccer union or AFL..
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