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Why I cannot support a Wests Tigers NSW Cup team
Topic Started: Jun 17 2012, 08:27 PM (1,249 Views)
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As you may or may not be aware,
Wests Tigers put forward a proposal to all Wests Tigers share holders on Thursday the 14th of June to completely change the structure of the joint venture agreement.
The proposal to be announced soon is strongly rumoured to include:

- The Western Suburbs Magpies and Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers to be replaced in the NSW Cup by a single Wests Tigers side. They will be based and train at Concord and play half of their games at Campbelltown and half their games at Leichhardt Oval.

- the private company Wests Tigers Ltd will become the District Club of both Western Suburbs and Balmain Tigers local districts.

- In the future, the Wests Tigers claim they will build a Rugby League Centre of excellence at UWS Campbelltown so the U20's team can move its operations and training to the Macarthur area.

- Wests Tigers Board, Wests Ashfield Leagues Club, Wests Leagues Club Campbelltown and the majority of the Balmain side of the joint venture are thought to support this proposal. The Magpies board is thought to be divided on the proposal.

- For this proposal to happen, the members of both Balmain and Western Suburbs Magpies football clubs will have to agree to it. However the Wests Leagues clubs could withdraw funding from the Magpies to "BULLY" them into agreeing even if the Football club members don't believe the proposal is sufficient in detail or substance.



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My thoughts on this proposal.
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Constantly remarks are made about why the Magpies supporters wont just "get over it" and support the Wests Tigers proposal to phase out the Magpies once and for all.

Well I understand some Magpie supporters will never change their feathers for fur, but I can only offer my own opinion.

First and foremost, I became a Magpie supporter because they represented the area I grew up in.
My parents didn't go for them, I didn't hop on a winning teams bandwagon. I just supported my local team that turned up to my junior footy training, the team that was in the local papers, the team that regularly turned up for school visits, the team my mates aspired to play for in junior reps.

Now the biggest gripe I have with the Wests Tigers proposal is that it doesn't offer a better deal for the community I grew up in than we currently have, or once had.

We no longer have a full time NRL team based out here.
I can accept that, we have a joint venture NRL team now, they got moved to Concord.

We now no longer have a Jersey Flegg under 20's team either. They also got moved to Concord.

Next we lose having a full time reserve grade NSW Cup team. Again to Concord.

So over the last 13 years, my local area has lost 3 senior full time representative teams that used to play and train locally.

Now the Wests Tigers proposal would be much better if the "Rugby League Centre of Excellence" they are proposing to be built at UWS was well under way in the planning stages and a definite timeline to completion is in place. But it isn't. It is still just a "nice thought".

The proposal would be harder to dismiss if a set timeline was in place when the Under 20's will move to the Macarthur, but again there isn't one.

The proposal would be harder to reject if there was a plan to continue having the 104 year old Magpies club running around in the Bundy Cup, representing the Macarthur and with full support by the Wests Tigers. Again this is absent.

So basically the area will definitely lose out with the Wests Tigers proposal in the short term , and without any real substance or concrete time lines in place, how long is the area to suffer before the Wests Tigers truly fill the void left if the Magpies are completely removed from the picture.

And all this is before we even talk about the loss of Wests idenity in the Wests Tigers, the shrinking Magpie on the sleeve and the measly 4 NRL games a year played at Campbelltown.

This is before we consider what it means to have our district league areas of Wests and Balmain run by a Private company, not an elected board from the community.

So until the Wests Tigers proposal offers more to the local community I grew up in than it currently has... I will not, and local Rugby League supporters should not support this half hearted proposal by the Wests Tigers.

If this proposal is not rectified to address these areas of concern, I will be voting against it at the extraordinary general meeting and will suggest to other members to do the same.


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disco stu
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We have seen what's happened to grass roots footy in this area run by a private company, now another private company wants to run top tier footy in this area. Is there any wonder why we are all wary about this proposal .
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Well said galahs, looks like it will be railroaded through. 20s set up a laugh, sweet f-all local kids in the team anyway. Karma will come around on msssrs Sheens pigs head & co
Next proposal in 2014? We'd like to change wests tigers to balmain tigers
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So much for the talk about the Wests Group now being united. What a farce. Most of what's rumoured to be in the proposal has probably been discussed before but taking over the district club? I'm f*%king ropeable about this.

If the Wests Tigers take over as the district club or even as the affiliated district club then the Western Suburbs District Rugby League Football Club (WSDRLFC) is gone. There is nothing left for the magpies to do. The SG Ball and Harold Matthews whilst currently carrying the Western Suburbs Magpies name, is now managed by WT. If WT take over as the district club, then you can bet they will quickly change the name over to WT.

What a debacle. Shows some balls Wests Ashfield - if not then stop saying how proud you are to be Magpies when you turn around and do this. And to the directors of Wests Campbelltown, get over your petty grievances from decades ago.

Balmain is screwed financially. The Wests Group should be holding all of the aces yet allow themselves to get shoved around, even bullied in some instances by the other side. Stand up for yourselves Ashfield. As for Campbelltown, well they're just a lost cause who hate the Magpies intensely and were never going to help us.

Maybe its time to break away and start afresh - just like Newtown. If we want to support a senior Western Suburbs Magpies team, then forget about SG Ball and all that. Newtown are not a district club. They are just a very well run football club who has one side - the NSW Cup side. They get NO FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE from that tiny Newtown Leagues/Sports Club at Tempe - instead they have a major sponsor in Petersham RSL.
Maybe its time we also move away from Campbelltown Stadium. Despite it being state-of-the-art, we just cannot afford the ground fee each game which is between $1600-$2000 PER GAME and we get NOTHING from canteen sales because its contracted out by Campbelltown council. The loss of revenue from canteen sales has a huge impact. Ground hire fees are one thing but when you can't recoup the fees from canteen sales, its a double blow. The local leagues club won't have a bar of us either and the local junior league wants nothing to do with us.

We have relied on funding from Wests Ashfield for far too long and this is what it has come to. We should have been close to self sufficient years ago but kept on going cap in hand to Ashfield. This is the price we have paid for that - the POSSIBLE takeover our the WSDRLFC.

I for one will never forgive those that have or will allow the WSDRLFC to be taken over.

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What will it take for:
a) Wests Campbelltown to support Wests Magpies?
b) Wests Ashfield to fully support Wests Magpies?
c) ARLD to step in and return junior league to independent set up?

Politics and secrecy are leading MAGPIES (whatever setup or branding you want to call it) to extinction and commonsense is missing here. If we had a magic wand and could start again it is a no brainer that Wests Tigers are at the top of the pyramid, then Balmain and Magpie NSW Cup teams and then the district junior reps under the auspices of the district clubs.
Wests Campbelltown and Wests Ashfield would fund and would look after 50% of WT joint venture AND Campbelltown operations and Balmain Leagues can fund 50% of WT joint venture and Ryde Eastwood the NSW Cup team. THAT IS SIMPLE so how did it get so complicated????

Campbelltown, Group 6 and the new areas of Oran Park etc ARE the future of the whole entity.

How can a NYC team be based at Campbelltown whilst NRL are at Concord? Both squads share personell and players so to travel to different locations will be too hard and not implemented, or a token appearance will eventuate.

As stated previously the Balmain side of the joint venture are struggling, but the joint venture itself is doing very nicely courtesy of good membership and corporate sponsorships that is the envy of other Sydney NRL clubs. Wests Ashfield are one of the biggest turnover clubs in Australia and could easily fund a setup I mentioned. Throw in Wests Campbelltown, Tennis Club and Golf Clubs and the picture looks very rosy, compared to other private setups who struggle with internal bickering (Manly, Titans) and one club backers (Cronulla and Canberra).
Edited by Jetter, Jun 18 2012, 10:40 AM.
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So if the rumours are true and Balmain are trading insolvent, it is pretty clear the push behind this proposal is to ensure the Magpies are dead before Balmain itself has to declare bankruptcy.
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WE HAVE TO STAND UP TO THESE BALMAIN BULLIES!

Im literally sick in the stomach reading all about what is happening to the Western Suburbs District Football Club.
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In a way I can understand the reasoning behind having one Reserve Grade side, it makes sense for a club to have the traditional set-up of a First Grade team, then a single Reserve Grade (NSW Cup) feeder team.
However, Wests Tigers is not a traditional club. It is a joint venture. Formed by members of Wests Magpies and Balmain Tigers.
And we should have the right to decide on any further changes which will affect the future of West Magpies. We certainly have had no say bin what has happened so far, with changes to the Board, dilution of playing talent, etc.
I feel especially disappointed for former players, coaches, officials and supporters who have witnessed what has happened to this once-proud football club. And probably there a many who are unaware about the present situation.
Until I see EXACTLY what the proposal is, there is no way I can vote for the demise of a club with 103 years' proud history, plus this year.
I hope that all members are notified by mail of the details of the meeting, as not all members have access to the Internet. And I also hope we all get to peruse the details of the proposal BEFORE the meeting, so we can digest it in advance.
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Hi DA1

Looks like we wont get a chance to vote on anything. The board has accepted the proposal. Having 4 out of 7 board members appointed by Wests Ashfield was always going to be pushing you know what up hill!
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No mate, we definately will be voted on.

And I think we should demand to vote on two proposals.

1. Wests Tigers Take Over
2. Wests Magpies Continue

Don't give up hope.

We can defeat this if we stick together and vote for a better deal for the Magpies and a better deal for the local area.

I still believe Balmain are on their knees, we'd be stupid to close up shop just prior to their collapse.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of a bigger plan to sell Wests Tigers or the Balmain half to a private entity. What ever they are up to they are trying to rush this through fast, yet they have no business plan and no timelines on when the academy is going to be built at UWS, or when the u20s are moving to town.

On that alone it needs to be voted down.
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Ill take your word on it Galahs. I'm 1000% with you. You can count on me to support and help out in any way or means for the Wests Magpies. If they die, a large part of me will die too!
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galahs
Jun 20 2012, 12:19 PM
No mate, we definately will be voted on.

And I think we should demand to vote on two proposals.

1. Wests Tigers Take Over
2. Wests Magpies Continue

Don't give up hope.

We can defeat this if we stick together and vote for a better deal for the Magpies and a better deal for the local area.

I still believe Balmain are on their knees, we'd be stupid to close up shop just prior to their collapse.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of a bigger plan to sell Wests Tigers or the Balmain half to a private entity. What ever they are up to they are trying to rush this through fast, yet they have no business plan and no timelines on when the academy is going to be built at UWS, or when the u20s are moving to town.

On that alone it needs to be voted down.
With June 30th being the end of the financial year could this have something to do with things being rushed ?
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You know you may be right Disco.

I tell you what, I have a gut feeling there is something else under the carpet with all this.

Wests Magpies grants are seperate from Wests Tigers. So really by killing the Magpies they arn't getting any more money unless Wests Ashfield is going to funnell them the money instead.

If that is the case, what is that extra money going to be spent on?


2ndly, I don't know how much Ryde Eastwood gives Balmain each year, but I assume if Balmain are out of NSW Cup, those funds from Ryde Eastwood would stop as well. That would be less money into the joint venture.

The figures don't add up, and when that's the case, there is usually something under the table going on.


I do wonder, are Wests Tigers in financial trouble?
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Jun 20 2012, 02:05 PM
You know you may be right Disco.

I tell you what, I have a gut feeling there is something else under the carpet with all this.

Wests Magpies grants are seperate from Wests Tigers. So really by killing the Magpies they arn't getting any more money unless Wests Ashfield is going to funnell them the money instead.

If that is the case, what is that extra money going to be spent on?


2ndly, I don't know how much Ryde Eastwood gives Balmain each year, but I assume if Balmain are out of NSW Cup, those funds from Ryde Eastwood would stop as well. That would be less money into the joint venture.

The figures don't add up, and when that's the case, there is usually something under the table going on.


I do wonder, are Wests Tigers in financial trouble?
Keep on digging, I believe they are in $$ trouble, lots of phone calls last week trying to call in $$
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it makes sense
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It would be awesome if Wests Tigers were destroyed. The club is corrupt and has no morals, no integrity. It is an abomination of a club.
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Jun 20 2012, 03:10 PM
It would be awesome if Wests Tigers were destroyed. The club is corrupt and has no morals, no integrity. It is an abomination of a club.
You only need to see who is running the show to see what you mean.

I still dont trust the oxygen thief and never will.
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Why doesnt someone ask another former magpie in Ian Schubert, surely he would know the financial status of each club.

I love your comments True Blue Magpie and Alien!

Could we see a repeat of a Four Corners program investigating the corruption allegations of another Humphrey B Bear?
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I received this email and I'd like to publish it here. I wont put the authors name to it but really it shows the hurt this decision is causing people.

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I have just seen the Press Release on the Magpie's website. As usual, members are being told NOTHING and no doubt this will continue until it's TOO LATE. We will get our EGM when it suits WAL and WT, and we will be sold down the river just like we where with the WT JV. I can hear them already - unless we do this the Magpies will die, blah blah blah.

Oh God I'm angry.

We really need to see this report that was prepared by Mick Liubinskas, Steve Lavers and Warren McDonnell. From a Magpies Board perspective, we know that 4 of the 7 (Russell Smith, John Donnellan, Mike Bailey and Mick Liubinskas) have been strategically selected by WAL to ensure the majority vote.

I'm not sure how we can save the Magpies but I will keep fighting the good fight.

If we die, can we please make sure they do too - Wests Tigers, Wests Campbelltown and Wests Ashfield. If we cannot trade as Wests Magpies then we should remove OUR name Wests from all of them. We might not have any money but it's our name (ie our intellectual property.) Let them be freakin Tigers, let them play anywhere they want, and let any leagues club who wants to support them support them. But don't let them be Wests - they are nothing like the Wests I was raised on. We had dignity and pride. We were loyal and true. We would bleed for our B&W brothers. Not now - Wests Tigers is a filthy machine that treats people and communities like s**&. They use people and deliberately destroy people's futures (look no further than Nathan Waters.) They are horrible and hateful and not even remotely like the Wests I remember.

Sorry for the vent guys - I'm sure you feel the same.
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What a great post!!!!

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