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Wests NSW Cup and Bundaberg Cup Relationship
Topic Started: Jun 27 2012, 01:57 PM (3,414 Views)
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Hearing VERY strong rumours that the Wests board has approved an approach by Burwood Nth Ryde United of Bundy Cup to be the feeder club for Wests for the remainder of the year. Apparently with all the injuries to BRET players, there have been no fringe BRET players seen in Bundy this year. This has made it difficult for United to compete with the top teams, even with the fringe NYC kids from Wests Tigers, as a lot of them are not physically up to it, so it makes sense to have Wests fringe players play Bundy. I suspect this will, must be, signed off by June 30
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So are you saying, Wests players will go to Burwood, or vise a verse?
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I'm hearing it's 2 way. I believe Burwood head coach was at Wests training yesterday. I imagine those who are up to Bundy, and in positions where they're weak, they'll take the better fringe Wests players, and if any of their existing players are playing extremely well, they'll get a chance to play NSW Cup if needed...again, I'm not able to confirm, just what I've heard via the grapevine
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Well i think its a win win for the players.
I just hope that some of the players don't ditch the magpies all together after tasting a win in bundy cup.
Could this be another attack on the magpies from a different angle? I would like to think not!
If this is a genuine approach, I applaud Burwood North Ryde for biting their pride and seeking Wests Magpies assistance.
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I think its a bad decision.

Why are we making ties with an inner city club.

Why are we not forming bonds with Wests JL or Group 6 sides?

When will we learn that the Liverpool - Macarthur - Southern highlands area is meant to be our priority, as per our constitution states.
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I change my mind, I agree with you Galahs! Any chance of you one being on the board of Wests Magpies or better still Wests Tigers?
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No mate, work commitments won't allow.

The idea of teaming up with a Bundy cup side is good, but to me its just another short term band aid.
We need to be looking after our district, not Mick's old junior club.
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Yes Galahs, this is not just about the magpies as you have said all along, its about getting a better deal for the south west of Sydney!

Pity about the work commitments, if only there was a way you could be remunerated for your efforts. Perhaps apply for the vacant CEO job for Wests Tigers after Humphries time is up?

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lol we can dream
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galahs
Jun 27 2012, 06:25 PM
I think its a bad decision.

Why are we making ties with an inner city club.

Why are we not forming bonds with Wests JL or Group 6 sides?

When will we learn that the Liverpool - Macarthur - Southern highlands area is meant to be our priority, as per our constitution states.
Absolutely its a bad decision.

I'm getting a bit tired of the Western Suburbs Magpies always being called upon to help out the other half when we should be fostering more in this district which we are meant to represent.

Burwood/North Ryde was endorsed by the Balmain District Junior Rugby League to enter a team in this year's Bundaberg Red Cup. The original plan was that the Concord/Burwood Wolves & North Ryde clubs would enter a combined team in the 2012 Bundy cup but still have their A-Grade sides compete in the ICCC. A combined Burwood/North Ryde team is now playing A-Grade in the ICCC and they also have an A-Reserve Div 1 side but this is on the verge of withdrawing if it hasn't already. Players from the A-Grade would be promoted to the Bundy outfit and vice versa.

The Bundaberg Cup outfit has won two of its nine games so far this season - one against Kingsgrove who like us have not won all season and the other against Blacktown Workers who have only won once this season. In four of B/NR's nine games this year, they have conceded 50 or more points in a game. How we could benefit from this is lost on me.

The Burwood/North Ryde Bundaberg Cup side also receives fringe Wests Tigers U20 players. Now if the Balmain Junior league can't provide players to their own district's senior Bundaberg Cup side, tough. Western Suburbs dont have the luxury of having a Bundaberg Cup side. (whether we can or can't is a matter that should be brought to a head sooner rather then later).

We should be fostering relations within the Macarthur. I know its wishful thinking but our efforts should be towards linking with a Group 6 outfit or an A-Grade team from the Wests juniors currently playing in the ICCC. Or maybe look at forming a relation with one from each Group 6 & Wests ICCC. Now there's an idea.

Linking with Burwood/North Ryde for the remainder of the season will not benefit the Magpies at all and is not in our best interests. This is harmful in the long term to our cause and gives ammunition to our detractors that whilst we make noises about Wests Tigers not paying enough attention to the Macarthur region & Balmain/Ryde-Eastwood pinching our best players from 2011, we ourselves seek a relationship with an inner city Bundaberg Cup outfit.
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Well said Old Magpie Lad. you've hit the nail on the head!
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1eyedmagpie
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I totally agree Old Magpie Lad!
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slick
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Sheez, there are some very paranoid people on here. Wests Tigers nor Balmain had nothing to do with this approach. Conspiracy theories are hard to prove incorrect lol.

Now, as for it being an inner city club, it should not matter as much as it's the chance for the fringe Wests players to play against all the other fringe NSW Cup players who are in Bundy. I cannot believe some believe it's to the player's benefit to play "a-grade". As for group 6, I don't know a lot about it, so cannot comment. I can understand the argument of looking after your own region, though. But, let's look at say, Newtown, they have a relationship with Roosters, and Cabra...hardely their own backyards there. Souths have Norths, last time I looked, North was, well North of South. Storm have a combined Storm/Sharks outfit. See the pattern? Perhaps they're all conspiracies too? In the end, for the rest of this year, both BNR and Wests have a chance to assist each other in being perhaps just that little bit stronger.

Oh, btw, does anyone expect BNR to be strong enough to NOT get smacked when they've got no fringe NSW Cup players (oh who cares yada yada yada)? It's the same as you being dirty cause you believe BRET are being favoured. In the end, why not try to embrace two battling clubs coming together and just trying to make it a positive for each other, with no agenda or conspiracy...
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I don't have anything against Burwood Ryde, and I can understand why the clubs would want to come to this agreement, but I do not think it is the answer to either clubs problems and is just another step for the Magpies in the wrong direction.

We keep edging further and further away from the area we are meant to be looking after.


You seem to know a lot about this whole situation as per your past posts...
http://s9.zetaboards.com/Wests_Magpies_Forum/topic/7311622

Where are you hearing these rumors?
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I'd also like to add, a Bundy Cup side out of the wests area is a great idea...so why hasn't ANYONE, got off their asses within the area and started one? Perhaps some of you can go out there and do it for next year, rather than coming in here and just bitching and moaning about it all...
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Agree it would be a great idea, and it would complement a NSW Cup side based out their perfectly.
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Like your name youre very slick with your comments on here.

I have changed my mind, and see no benefit of this arrangement for the Magpies.

I don't see this forum as a bitch and moan session as you put it. Its a medium us supporters can use to share thoughts about the club we love.

If there is a way I can help I will, but in the meantime dont judge me or my fellow magpie supporters.
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I came in here with what I had heard, with good intention, as I can see the benefits, short term, for the players who are busting their arses for Wests. Now, when a player who is playing conistent Bundy, is called up, he will be battle hardened playing against other fringe NSW Cup players, which can only benefit his Wests teamamtes, his coach and the club he's playing for and their rock solid fans. I'd love to see Wests have their own NSW Cup side survive, but I just don't have an answer of how best it should be done. That need to be solved by those who have the passion to make it happen. I'm not a Wests fan, but have a strong soft spot for them...I simply wish the best for the club in general
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Well Slick, I assume you comments are aimed at my piece but so be it, each to their own. I stand by what I've written.

I can see where you are coming from but I just don't see the benefits.

A few points though.

The B/NR outfit is endorsed by the Balmain DJRL through the Balmain DRLFC and nowhere did I say the Wests Tigers are involved in any way except providing fringe U20 players.

There was a Bundaberg Cup side based at Campbelltown a few years ago, Campbelltown Eagles but they met with so much opposition from various other parties from the word go that they had to pull out after two seasons. My understanding is that Western Suburbs had a relationship with the eagles but outside influences proved too much.
This is in sharp contrast to the goodwill between the Balmain DRLFC and their junior league. Whereas to the complete non existant relationship between the WSDRLFC and the Wests Junior League (I don't profess to know they whole history but plenty on here do).

Your examples of other clubs forming relationships with clubs from outside their own areas is correct. But in saying that, those clubs do have somethings the Magpies do not, a relationship with a NRL outfit and the running of their own junior league. Whilst Newtown do have an arrangement with Cabramatta, they have a much stronger relationship with the Sydney Roosters. Also Cabramatta has a very strong junior base and also compete in the NSWRL Sydney Shield competition together with all their aged divisions up to C-Grade.

North Sydney still run their own junior league which includes a combined A-Grade comp with Manly and one of their junior clubs, Asquith played in the Jim Beam Cup (now Bundaberg Cup) about 5-6 years ago. The bears relationship with Souths is one of the strongest NRL/NSW Cup relationships going around.
The Melbourne Storm have been all over the shop in recent years. Originally having Norths Devlis in the QLD Cp as their feeder for many years then in the NSW Cup they had the Central Coast Storm before they went it alone for one season as the Melbourne Storm and last year teaming up with Cronulla. The Storm also use Easts Tigers in the QLD Cup as a feeder for their U20 players.

Western Suburbs do not have the luxury of running their own junior league to call up players. It would be wonderful if they did. You might say that neither do Newtown however the Jets are not a district club as Wests are.
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And we arn't having a go at you Slick, we are just all on edge atm, the future of our 104 year old club is basically hanging on by a thread.
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