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Refusing the Junior League Affiliation
Topic Started: Jul 11 2012, 11:00 AM (500 Views)
galahs
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There are claims being made that the Magpies refused the Wests Junior Leagues application for affiliation during the period somewhere between 2007 - 2010.

I find that hard to believe, but if there is truth in it then it needs to be investigated further.
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They need to provide documentation proving this.

See, this is where the whole anti-Wests agenda falls apart. There's only ever claims made, never any documentation provided to back it up.

We've got the JV constitution on our side. Where's the Concord documents?
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Mr Carrs Letters
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Dear Mr Szynal

As you may be aware the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League became an Incorporated Body in the late 1980s and severed their ties with the Western Suburbs District Rugby League. Despite numerous attempts to reconcile the two bodies this has not happened hence the NSWRL Board’s decision to have the Western Suburbs Juniors affiliation through the Wests Tigers. The fact that the Wests Tigers do not have a team in the NSW Rugby League competition is irrelevant as they are an affiliated body.

You must appreciate that metropolitan competitions are run by the NSW Rugby League and the Group 6 competition is a competition of the Country Rugby League which the NSW Rugby League has no jurisdiction over. Hence the different treatment of the Campbelltown clubs when they elect to play in Group 6 rather than competitions conducted by the NSW Rugby League.

All stakeholders will get an opportunity to talk to Brian Canavan about the future competitions in Macarthur and at the end of the day Brian will make a recommendation to the NSW Rugby League which will be in the best interest of the competitions in the area rather than individuals or individual clubs.

Regards

Geoff Carr
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Dear Mr Szynal

Because of the fractioned relationship between Western Suburbs District Rugby League and Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League, there has been no affiliation with NSW Rugby League until recently. This was not ideal but we needed competitions to be run in the Western Suburbs and we took that as the priority.

Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League were granted conditional affiliation with the NSWRL in 2009. They were granted this on the basis there would be meaningful negotiations between the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League and the Western Suburbs District Rugby League in the traditional manner. These talks did not eventuate or reach a conclusion so as a result the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League were affiliated with Wests Tigers by a Board minute of the NSWRL on the 8th March, 2011.


If the three Campbelltown clubs wish to play and train in Campbelltown they need to enter into meaningful negotiations with the NSWRL about either of the three options which they previously dismissed, ie assist us to re-establish the combined competitions with Group 6, participate in a competition such as the Sydney Shield which is up and running in season 2012 or participate in the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League A Grade competition.

If you are as passionate about Western Suburbs RL as you say you are it seems strange that you are attempting to destroy your own A Grade competition by participating outside your district.

I notice a lot of these facts which I have passed on to you were conveniently overlooked with your interview on 2UE. This continual misinformation about the facts is not helping to resolve the situation.

You have also misunderstood Brian Canavan’s role in the process. Brian’s role is to talk and listen to the stakeholder groups in the South Western corridor to determine the best model for senior rugby league in the South Western corridor. Brian has had considerable success with similar projects in the last year and the idea is to include input from all stakeholders to determine what is the best way forward.

You will get plenty of opportunity to state your case to Brian but in the meantime you need to consider all the options for participation that will allow you to play and train in Campbelltown. You need to be reminded it was the three clubs’ decision to go to Group 6 knowing they would have to commit fully to Group 6. This was their decision and their decision alone.

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GEofff




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Dear Mr Szynal

The three Campbelltown clubs when given the options last year had no intention of exploring them because they wanted to play in Group 6 regardless of the implications for Western Suburbs A Grade or the NSW Rugby League. They didn’t want to discuss or consider options and it was always was their intention to do whatever they could to play in Group 6. As a result of this they accepted and were granted the rights for 12 months only to be a Group 6 club which required them to play and train in Group 6.

It would be nice if they could consider the other options and stop predetermining how strong alternative competitions are. I’ve spent more time on the three Western Suburbs A grade clubs in the last two years than any other project. The way they have used the internet to try and destroy the Western Suburbs A Grade and the Western Suburbs Junior League is a disgrace and the Board of the NSW Rugby League have not been impressed. The misinformation that has been put out by the Clubs which has clouded the debate has also not been helpful.

In answer to your questions:

1 I cannot speak for the NSW Rugby League administration in the late 80s but I can imagine they had an appreciation that the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League was a not for profit company which had a democratically elected Board which represented the teams in the Western Suburbs competition. Because they were organized to run rugby league in Western Suburbs and the alternative may have been a break down in those competitions, they obviously allowed them to proceed.

2 Again I can’t speak for previous administrations but we do not issue licenses to run junior rugby league. It id done by incorporated bodies with democratic elections and Wests Juniors qualified in this regard.

3 Because the relationship between Western Suburbs Juniors and Western Suburbs DRLF was disfunctional and as much as we tried to fix it, it was beyond saving. The affiliation with Wests Tigers was our only option and correspondence from the District Club at the time clearly showed they had knowledge of the affiliation.


4 The Board of the NSW Rugby League has affiliated many organizations that are not districts and have been able to do so under their rules. Such organizations as Schoolboys, Wheelchair Rugby League, Disabled Rugby League, Women’s Rugby League, etc are all affiliated. These are bodies involved in the conduct of Rugby League in NSW and Wests Tigers is no different. They are not a member club and do not have any representation on the General Committee. They are an affiliated rugby league organization in the same way that other bodies are that I have mentioned.

5 Wests Tigers are not participating in the NSW Cup in 2012.

6 The NSW Rugby League and the CRL offered to have an administrator step in to run senior football in the Macarthur area. Under the control of the Leagues any issues would have been cleaned up. The significant exaggeration of the issues by the three clubs has again been misleading. Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League are interested in discussing handing over the running of over 18 competitions in their district to such an independent administrator. Again, the three clubs have made up their mind about what they want to do and it is the view of the NSW Rugby League Board playing in another League in another District is not in the best interests of the Western Suburbs District.

As previously mentioned the NSW Rugby League have employed Brian Canavan to go out and work through all the issues with all the stakeholders. It would be nice if people in the Western Suburbs could co-operate with the process and have an open mind to what any final recommendation may be. You will certainly be included in all discussions and hopefully these issues can be resolved in the best interests of Rugby League in the Western Suburbs.

Yours faithfully

Geoff Carr
General Manager
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galahs
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And if the Wests Junior League is so keen on affiliating with the Magpies, why wont they do it now????
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Here are the letters I have from the Western Suburbs District Club (Warren McDonnell) and the Wests Junior League (Julie Luke) from December 1999.

From the Magpies...

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Presentation

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Reply from Junior League

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http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k248/galahs/wests/JL_page4.jpg
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Julie asked some perceptive questions-would be nice if that perceptive nature extended to actually helping junior clubs.

Good level of professionalism shown by Warren too-no letterhead, didn't sign off and saying that we want to take over but it's a 50-50 agreement. Seems the reverse of the JV right now!
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Well said the_pollie. I havent met the man but I havent heard one positive thing said about him. How the hell did he get to where he is at the moment?
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