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I see there is a 5 point player rule now in the Group, City Roos has quite a few 5 point players. What constitutes a 5 point player? 5 point players are not listed in the Group handbook im told. Is there any other clubs with the new 5 point player rule or just City?
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I'm sorry if I stirred pot as it was only runout I heard and no club was mentioned so I heard nothing of oakdale or city just that issue about points was brought up.
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May 15 2013, 07:56 AM
I see there is a 5 point player rule now in the Group, City Roos has quite a few 5 point players. What constitutes a 5 point player? 5 point players are not listed in the Group handbook im told. Is there any other clubs with the new 5 point player rule or just City?
Something has to be done about this points system to many rules for different clubs
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It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
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It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Please elaborate on how you work it then? Shouldn't the point system be the same for every club
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It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Question ? the following is a copy of the 2010 Rules regarding points. Have these rules been re written and all clubs aware of the changes. I cant see any mention of a "Bartering System" in these rules :dunno: Where can a person download a copy of the current 2013 rules ?

COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM - 2010

Category – A 40 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
• Overseas player
• NZ Barter Card Competition
• Second Tier Competition from other Countries
• NRL / ARL / NSWRL including the National Under 20’s Competition
• Representative player from another code
• Jim Beam Cup / Bundaberg Red Cup

Category – B 25 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
• Any player transferring from another club within Group 6 / Western Suburbs DJRL registering in1st Grade – Reserve Grade –
3rd Grade – Under 18’s

Category – C 20 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
• Region Representative / Divisional Representative / Group Representative / NSWRL Junior Representative

Category – D 10 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
• Players from outside Group 6 / Western Suburbs District JRL
• Players transferring from another code

Category – E 2 POINTS – Per player
• Locally developed players and local players returning to their Junior Club regardless of status or grade previous.

Note – Definition of a local player;
• where a player commenced his rugby league participation from under 6’s to under 16’s
• Majority of years played at junior club – under 6’s to under 16’s
• Should the majority be equal between clubs – Local Club will be deemed the players’ first registered club
• 3 Consecutive years with the club – Under 18’s and above
COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM – 2010 ...Continued
Note accompanying the Points System for the Combined Competition 2010
Qualifications –
1. First Grade Clubs - Defined by Clubs fielding teams in 1st Grade and Reserve Grade
• Points – Allocated a maximum of 300 POINTS per round per First Grade Club

2. 3rd Grade Clubs – Defined by clubs fielding teams in 3rd grade –
This grade is independent of the 1st and Reserve Grade Competitions
• Points – Allocated a maximum of 250 POINTS

3. 2nd Grade only - Defined by clubs fielding a team in 2nd grade only –
• Points – Allocated a maximum of 200 POINTS

4. Under 18’s – Clubs who participate in the Under 18’s competition
• Points - Allocated an additional 50 POINTS per team

5. Points will hold the same value for a period of three (3) years

6. After three (3) consecutive years service with one club the player will be deemed a local – Under 18’s and above

7. Group 6 only – Any player from the above categories who reside within the residential boundary of the club that he is registered with will receive 20% discount. (Proof of residential status must be provided)

8. Group 6 only – Players coming out of the Junior Competition must remain with their Parent Club until they progress out of the Under 18’s competition. At that time they will come under the above points system.

8.1 Western Suburbs DJRL – Players coming out of the Junior Competition into the under 18’s competitions or higher grade will come under the above points system.

9. Forfeits - Any club who forfeits a round will be reduced to half the allocated points allowed.

10. The Combined Committee reserves the right to make determinations on the Points System where extraordinary circumstances may occur.
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May 15 2013, 11:09 AM
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May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Question ? the following is a copy of the 2010 Rules regarding points. Have these rules been re written and all clubs aware of the changes. I cant see any mention of a "Bartering System" in these rules :dunno: Where can a person download a copy of the current 2013 rules ?

COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM - 2010

Category – A40 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Overseas player
•NZ Barter Card Competition
•Second Tier Competition from other Countries
•NRL / ARL / NSWRL including the National Under 20’s Competition
•Representative player from another code
•Jim Beam Cup / Bundaberg Red Cup

Category – B25 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Any player transferring from another club within Group 6 / Western Suburbs DJRL registering in1st Grade – Reserve Grade –
3rd Grade – Under 18’s

Category – C20 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Region Representative / Divisional Representative / Group Representative / NSWRL Junior Representative

Category – D10 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Players from outside Group 6 / Western Suburbs District JRL
•Players transferring from another code

Category – E2 POINTS – Per player
•Locally developed players and local players returning to their Junior Club regardless of status or grade previous.

Note – Definition of a local player;
•where a player commenced his rugby league participation from under 6’s to under 16’s
•Majority of years played at junior club – under 6’s to under 16’s
•Should the majority be equal between clubs – Local Club will be deemed the players’ first registered club
•3 Consecutive years with the club – Under 18’s and above
COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM – 2010 ...Continued
Note accompanying the Points System for the Combined Competition 2010
Qualifications –
1.First Grade Clubs - Defined by Clubs fielding teams in 1st Grade and Reserve Grade
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 300 POINTS per round per First Grade Club

2.3rd Grade Clubs – Defined by clubs fielding teams in 3rd grade –
This grade is independent of the 1st and Reserve Grade Competitions
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 250 POINTS

3.2nd Grade only - Defined by clubs fielding a team in 2nd grade only –
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 200 POINTS

4.Under 18’s – Clubs who participate in the Under 18’s competition
•Points - Allocated an additional 50 POINTS per team

5.Points will hold the same value for a period of three (3) years

6.After three (3) consecutive years service with one club the player will be deemed a local – Under 18’s and above

7.Group 6 only – Any player from the above categories who reside within the residential boundary of the club that he is registered with will receive 20% discount. (Proof of residential status must be provided)

8.Group 6 only – Players coming out of the Junior Competition must remain with their Parent Club until they progress out of the Under 18’s competition. At that time they will come under the above points system.

8.1Western Suburbs DJRL – Players coming out of the Junior Competition into the under 18’s competitions or higher grade will come under the above points system.

9.Forfeits - Any club who forfeits a round will be reduced to half the allocated points allowed.

10.The Combined Committee reserves the right to make determinations on the Points System where extraordinary circumstances may occur.
That was 2010.
And I am going over old ground again here, but i'll explain it again.
The "bartering" was agreed upon at the end of season forum at Mittagong RSL (2010-2011).
A club could ask for a reduction on a player from his releasing club so that he could be classed as a category 10 player.
The theory behind this was that it is hardly fair that a reserve grade player be graded as 25 points, when you could get someone from the another league who is a seasoned first grader for 10 points. This left it in the hands of his releasing club, so that if they weren't disadvantaged by his departure they could pass this concession on.
The reason why so many people don't know stuff like this is because I have noticed a massive turnover in club committee's. It is hard work and thankless being a volunteer.
Does this make things a little clearer for you?



Edited by tc6_11, May 15 2013, 11:38 AM.
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May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Question ? the following is a copy of the 2010 Rules regarding points. Have these rules been re written and all clubs aware of the changes. I cant see any mention of a "Bartering System" in these rules :dunno: Where can a person download a copy of the current 2013 rules ?

COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM - 2010

Category – A40 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Overseas player
•NZ Barter Card Competition
•Second Tier Competition from other Countries
•NRL / ARL / NSWRL including the National Under 20’s Competition
•Representative player from another code
•Jim Beam Cup / Bundaberg Red Cup

Category – B25 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Any player transferring from another club within Group 6 / Western Suburbs DJRL registering in1st Grade – Reserve Grade –
3rd Grade – Under 18’s

Category – C20 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Region Representative / Divisional Representative / Group Representative / NSWRL Junior Representative

Category – D10 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Players from outside Group 6 / Western Suburbs District JRL
•Players transferring from another code

Category – E2 POINTS – Per player
•Locally developed players and local players returning to their Junior Club regardless of status or grade previous.

Note – Definition of a local player;
•where a player commenced his rugby league participation from under 6’s to under 16’s
•Majority of years played at junior club – under 6’s to under 16’s
•Should the majority be equal between clubs – Local Club will be deemed the players’ first registered club
•3 Consecutive years with the club – Under 18’s and above
COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM – 2010 ...Continued
Note accompanying the Points System for the Combined Competition 2010
Qualifications –
1.First Grade Clubs - Defined by Clubs fielding teams in 1st Grade and Reserve Grade
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 300 POINTS per round per First Grade Club

2.3rd Grade Clubs – Defined by clubs fielding teams in 3rd grade –
This grade is independent of the 1st and Reserve Grade Competitions
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 250 POINTS

3.2nd Grade only - Defined by clubs fielding a team in 2nd grade only –
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 200 POINTS

4.Under 18’s – Clubs who participate in the Under 18’s competition
•Points - Allocated an additional 50 POINTS per team

5.Points will hold the same value for a period of three (3) years

6.After three (3) consecutive years service with one club the player will be deemed a local – Under 18’s and above

7.Group 6 only – Any player from the above categories who reside within the residential boundary of the club that he is registered with will receive 20% discount. (Proof of residential status must be provided)

8.Group 6 only – Players coming out of the Junior Competition must remain with their Parent Club until they progress out of the Under 18’s competition. At that time they will come under the above points system.

8.1Western Suburbs DJRL – Players coming out of the Junior Competition into the under 18’s competitions or higher grade will come under the above points system.

9.Forfeits - Any club who forfeits a round will be reduced to half the allocated points allowed.

10.The Combined Committee reserves the right to make determinations on the Points System where extraordinary circumstances may occur.
That was 2010.
And I am going over old ground again here, but i'll explain it again.
The "bartering" was agreed upon at the end of season forum at Mittagong RSL (2010-2011).
A club could ask for a reduction on a player from his releasing club so that he could be classed as a category 10 player.
The theory behind this was that it is hardly fair that a reserve grade player be graded as 25 points, when you could get someone from the another league who is a seasoned first grader for 10 points. This left it in the hands of his releasing club, so that if they weren't disadvantaged by his departure they could pass this concession on.
The reason why so many people don't know stuff like this is because I have noticed a massive turnover in club committee's. It is hard work and thankless being a volunteer.
Does this make things a little clearer for you?



This is why it should be in the rules so everyone is on the same page.
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dilly
May 15 2013, 11:51 AM
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May 15 2013, 11:35 AM
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May 15 2013, 11:09 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Question ? the following is a copy of the 2010 Rules regarding points. Have these rules been re written and all clubs aware of the changes. I cant see any mention of a "Bartering System" in these rules :dunno: Where can a person download a copy of the current 2013 rules ?

COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM - 2010

Category – A40 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Overseas player
•NZ Barter Card Competition
•Second Tier Competition from other Countries
•NRL / ARL / NSWRL including the National Under 20’s Competition
•Representative player from another code
•Jim Beam Cup / Bundaberg Red Cup

Category – B25 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Any player transferring from another club within Group 6 / Western Suburbs DJRL registering in1st Grade – Reserve Grade –
3rd Grade – Under 18’s

Category – C20 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Region Representative / Divisional Representative / Group Representative / NSWRL Junior Representative

Category – D10 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Players from outside Group 6 / Western Suburbs District JRL
•Players transferring from another code

Category – E2 POINTS – Per player
•Locally developed players and local players returning to their Junior Club regardless of status or grade previous.

Note – Definition of a local player;
•where a player commenced his rugby league participation from under 6’s to under 16’s
•Majority of years played at junior club – under 6’s to under 16’s
•Should the majority be equal between clubs – Local Club will be deemed the players’ first registered club
•3 Consecutive years with the club – Under 18’s and above
COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM – 2010 ...Continued
Note accompanying the Points System for the Combined Competition 2010
Qualifications –
1.First Grade Clubs - Defined by Clubs fielding teams in 1st Grade and Reserve Grade
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 300 POINTS per round per First Grade Club

2.3rd Grade Clubs – Defined by clubs fielding teams in 3rd grade –
This grade is independent of the 1st and Reserve Grade Competitions
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 250 POINTS

3.2nd Grade only - Defined by clubs fielding a team in 2nd grade only –
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 200 POINTS

4.Under 18’s – Clubs who participate in the Under 18’s competition
•Points - Allocated an additional 50 POINTS per team

5.Points will hold the same value for a period of three (3) years

6.After three (3) consecutive years service with one club the player will be deemed a local – Under 18’s and above

7.Group 6 only – Any player from the above categories who reside within the residential boundary of the club that he is registered with will receive 20% discount. (Proof of residential status must be provided)

8.Group 6 only – Players coming out of the Junior Competition must remain with their Parent Club until they progress out of the Under 18’s competition. At that time they will come under the above points system.

8.1Western Suburbs DJRL – Players coming out of the Junior Competition into the under 18’s competitions or higher grade will come under the above points system.

9.Forfeits - Any club who forfeits a round will be reduced to half the allocated points allowed.

10.The Combined Committee reserves the right to make determinations on the Points System where extraordinary circumstances may occur.
That was 2010.
And I am going over old ground again here, but i'll explain it again.
The "bartering" was agreed upon at the end of season forum at Mittagong RSL (2010-2011).
A club could ask for a reduction on a player from his releasing club so that he could be classed as a category 10 player.
The theory behind this was that it is hardly fair that a reserve grade player be graded as 25 points, when you could get someone from the another league who is a seasoned first grader for 10 points. This left it in the hands of his releasing club, so that if they weren't disadvantaged by his departure they could pass this concession on.
The reason why so many people don't know stuff like this is because I have noticed a massive turnover in club committee's. It is hard work and thankless being a volunteer.
Does this make things a little clearer for you?



This is why it should be in the rules so everyone is on the same page.
Nothing on 5 point players :dunno: When was the new rule for a 5 point player passed in by clubs
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Yes TC that explains the why and how and I thank you for that. But according to "Dilly" its not in the rulebook :dunno:
Shouldn't the rule book be freely available to anybody as other districts do. Where can a person dowload a copy of the current rules?
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Can anything be sorted within the group..more and more rules yet can't comply with the rules already in place.. Why make it even more confusing for everyone..
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May 15 2013, 11:51 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 11:35 AM
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May 15 2013, 11:09 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Question ? the following is a copy of the 2010 Rules regarding points. Have these rules been re written and all clubs aware of the changes. I cant see any mention of a "Bartering System" in these rules :dunno: Where can a person download a copy of the current 2013 rules ?

COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM - 2010

Category – A40 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Overseas player
•NZ Barter Card Competition
•Second Tier Competition from other Countries
•NRL / ARL / NSWRL including the National Under 20’s Competition
•Representative player from another code
•Jim Beam Cup / Bundaberg Red Cup

Category – B25 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Any player transferring from another club within Group 6 / Western Suburbs DJRL registering in1st Grade – Reserve Grade –
3rd Grade – Under 18’s

Category – C20 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Region Representative / Divisional Representative / Group Representative / NSWRL Junior Representative

Category – D10 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Players from outside Group 6 / Western Suburbs District JRL
•Players transferring from another code

Category – E2 POINTS – Per player
•Locally developed players and local players returning to their Junior Club regardless of status or grade previous.

Note – Definition of a local player;
•where a player commenced his rugby league participation from under 6’s to under 16’s
•Majority of years played at junior club – under 6’s to under 16’s
•Should the majority be equal between clubs – Local Club will be deemed the players’ first registered club
•3 Consecutive years with the club – Under 18’s and above
COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM – 2010 ...Continued
Note accompanying the Points System for the Combined Competition 2010
Qualifications –
1.First Grade Clubs - Defined by Clubs fielding teams in 1st Grade and Reserve Grade
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 300 POINTS per round per First Grade Club

2.3rd Grade Clubs – Defined by clubs fielding teams in 3rd grade –
This grade is independent of the 1st and Reserve Grade Competitions
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 250 POINTS

3.2nd Grade only - Defined by clubs fielding a team in 2nd grade only –
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 200 POINTS

4.Under 18’s – Clubs who participate in the Under 18’s competition
•Points - Allocated an additional 50 POINTS per team

5.Points will hold the same value for a period of three (3) years

6.After three (3) consecutive years service with one club the player will be deemed a local – Under 18’s and above

7.Group 6 only – Any player from the above categories who reside within the residential boundary of the club that he is registered with will receive 20% discount. (Proof of residential status must be provided)

8.Group 6 only – Players coming out of the Junior Competition must remain with their Parent Club until they progress out of the Under 18’s competition. At that time they will come under the above points system.

8.1Western Suburbs DJRL – Players coming out of the Junior Competition into the under 18’s competitions or higher grade will come under the above points system.

9.Forfeits - Any club who forfeits a round will be reduced to half the allocated points allowed.

10.The Combined Committee reserves the right to make determinations on the Points System where extraordinary circumstances may occur.
That was 2010.
And I am going over old ground again here, but i'll explain it again.
The "bartering" was agreed upon at the end of season forum at Mittagong RSL (2010-2011).
A club could ask for a reduction on a player from his releasing club so that he could be classed as a category 10 player.
The theory behind this was that it is hardly fair that a reserve grade player be graded as 25 points, when you could get someone from the another league who is a seasoned first grader for 10 points. This left it in the hands of his releasing club, so that if they weren't disadvantaged by his departure they could pass this concession on.
The reason why so many people don't know stuff like this is because I have noticed a massive turnover in club committee's. It is hard work and thankless being a volunteer.
Does this make things a little clearer for you?



This is why it should be in the rules so everyone is on the same page.
Thx tc but now what is the go with the 5 point players, it just seems a bit coincidental that all these new points rules are coming in behind the scenes and other clubs get kicked out of whole competition because of point determination, It seems a bit like labor government running show, if your a mate then your in the loop and If your not then your not.
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It's funny to see the point system being the topic again surely there needs to be some new structure put into place ( maybe starting with the commitee ) and with all this does it mean that easts will be reinstated seeing that no one knows whats going on with it( point system)and if so where and who will they be playing first, if they are playing
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May 15 2013, 02:11 PM
It's funny to see the point system being the topic again surely there needs to be some new structure put into place ( maybe starting with the commitee ) and with all this does it mean that easts will be reinstated seeing that no one knows whats going on with it( point system)and if so where and who will they be playing first, if they are playing
Is it the points system as such or peoples interpretation & understanding of it?
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May 15 2013, 02:21 PM
Glitznglam
May 15 2013, 02:11 PM
It's funny to see the point system being the topic again surely there needs to be some new structure put into place ( maybe starting with the commitee ) and with all this does it mean that easts will be reinstated seeing that no one knows whats going on with it( point system)and if so where and who will they be playing first, if they are playing
Is it the points system as such or peoples interpretation & understanding of it?
Its the system its bullocks :angry: Where has the 5 point player rule come from just thrown out to some clubs this year, how do you explain a rule like that getting written in and on the other hand clubs losing their juniors as 2 pointers and players playing for more then 3 years which is a clear cut rule :cstars: :cstars: :cstars: NO consistency in the system at all it is a shambels and we have a club in limbo due to the shambles :finger: :finger:
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It's funny to see the point system being the topic again surely there needs to be some new structure put into place ( maybe starting with the commitee ) and with all this does it mean that easts will be reinstated seeing that no one knows whats going on with it( point system)and if so where and who will they be playing first, if they are playing
Glitznglam
May 15 2013, 02:11 PM
It's funny to see the point system being the topic again surely there needs to be some new structure put into place ( maybe starting with the commitee ) and with all this does it mean that easts will be reinstated seeing that no one knows whats going on with it( point system)and if so where and who will they be playing first, if they are playing
Could all come to head very shortly maybe as soon as friday :hey: wrongs could be written write and justice served :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

5 point players :cstars: :cstars: :cstars: :cstars: :cstars: who can clear that ruling up :letmesee: :letmesee:
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disco stu
May 15 2013, 02:21 PM
Glitznglam
May 15 2013, 02:11 PM
It's funny to see the point system being the topic again surely there needs to be some new structure put into place ( maybe starting with the commitee ) and with all this does it mean that easts will be reinstated seeing that no one knows whats going on with it( point system)and if so where and who will they be playing first, if they are playing
Is it the points system as such or peoples interpretation & understanding of it?
Many rules can be interpreted differently :correct: But if the rules are not there for all to see how can they be interpreted :dunno:
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T.c was there a meeting tonight? Did anything come of points?
To me all of a sudden there are a lot of new members and seem to be trying to stir the pot and stir trouble between clubs! Well I speak for my self I ain't reading to much into it! If t.c can elaborate I'm sure he will if there is any truth to it!
Sorry chipper I missed the meeting, it was Monday.
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Narellan Jet
May 15 2013, 12:28 PM
dilly
May 15 2013, 11:51 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 11:35 AM
Maverick
May 15 2013, 11:09 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Question ? the following is a copy of the 2010 Rules regarding points. Have these rules been re written and all clubs aware of the changes. I cant see any mention of a "Bartering System" in these rules :dunno: Where can a person download a copy of the current 2013 rules ?

COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM - 2010

Category – A40 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Overseas player
•NZ Barter Card Competition
•Second Tier Competition from other Countries
•NRL / ARL / NSWRL including the National Under 20’s Competition
•Representative player from another code
•Jim Beam Cup / Bundaberg Red Cup

Category – B25 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Any player transferring from another club within Group 6 / Western Suburbs DJRL registering in1st Grade – Reserve Grade –
3rd Grade – Under 18’s

Category – C20 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Region Representative / Divisional Representative / Group Representative / NSWRL Junior Representative

Category – D10 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Players from outside Group 6 / Western Suburbs District JRL
•Players transferring from another code

Category – E2 POINTS – Per player
•Locally developed players and local players returning to their Junior Club regardless of status or grade previous.

Note – Definition of a local player;
•where a player commenced his rugby league participation from under 6’s to under 16’s
•Majority of years played at junior club – under 6’s to under 16’s
•Should the majority be equal between clubs – Local Club will be deemed the players’ first registered club
•3 Consecutive years with the club – Under 18’s and above
COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM – 2010 ...Continued
Note accompanying the Points System for the Combined Competition 2010
Qualifications –
1.First Grade Clubs - Defined by Clubs fielding teams in 1st Grade and Reserve Grade
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 300 POINTS per round per First Grade Club

2.3rd Grade Clubs – Defined by clubs fielding teams in 3rd grade –
This grade is independent of the 1st and Reserve Grade Competitions
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 250 POINTS

3.2nd Grade only - Defined by clubs fielding a team in 2nd grade only –
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 200 POINTS

4.Under 18’s – Clubs who participate in the Under 18’s competition
•Points - Allocated an additional 50 POINTS per team

5.Points will hold the same value for a period of three (3) years

6.After three (3) consecutive years service with one club the player will be deemed a local – Under 18’s and above

7.Group 6 only – Any player from the above categories who reside within the residential boundary of the club that he is registered with will receive 20% discount. (Proof of residential status must be provided)

8.Group 6 only – Players coming out of the Junior Competition must remain with their Parent Club until they progress out of the Under 18’s competition. At that time they will come under the above points system.

8.1Western Suburbs DJRL – Players coming out of the Junior Competition into the under 18’s competitions or higher grade will come under the above points system.

9.Forfeits - Any club who forfeits a round will be reduced to half the allocated points allowed.

10.The Combined Committee reserves the right to make determinations on the Points System where extraordinary circumstances may occur.
That was 2010.
And I am going over old ground again here, but i'll explain it again.
The "bartering" was agreed upon at the end of season forum at Mittagong RSL (2010-2011).
A club could ask for a reduction on a player from his releasing club so that he could be classed as a category 10 player.
The theory behind this was that it is hardly fair that a reserve grade player be graded as 25 points, when you could get someone from the another league who is a seasoned first grader for 10 points. This left it in the hands of his releasing club, so that if they weren't disadvantaged by his departure they could pass this concession on.
The reason why so many people don't know stuff like this is because I have noticed a massive turnover in club committee's. It is hard work and thankless being a volunteer.
Does this make things a little clearer for you?



This is why it should be in the rules so everyone is on the same page.
Thx tc but now what is the go with the 5 point players, it just seems a bit coincidental that all these new points rules are coming in behind the scenes and other clubs get kicked out of whole competition because of point determination, It seems a bit like labor government running show, if your a mate then your in the loop and If your not then your not.
I'm not a group 6 sympathiser, I've had my run ins with them on several occasions, however I learned the errors in my own ways and realised that fighting with the board and arguing is not the best way of trying to get things done for my club.
Lets get one thing clear, The Eagles weren't kicked out for points determination. They weren't kicked out for exceeding the points, as this has happened to at least 3 clubs I can remember, Narellan in 2009? Oakdale 2010, Thirlmere 2012.
This is where everyone is getting lost, as It wasn't a points system trial at the meeting the other week, it was a trial for the eagles due to the events that occurred surrounding the points issues.
I'm sure if the Eagles had their time again, they would have turned up at The Oaks as they did when the flogged Camden.
Let it go til Friday, as i'm sure their will be a lot of people that will feel like venting then.
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May 15 2013, 04:10 PM
Narellan Jet
May 15 2013, 12:28 PM
dilly
May 15 2013, 11:51 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 11:35 AM
Maverick
May 15 2013, 11:09 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Question ? the following is a copy of the 2010 Rules regarding points. Have these rules been re written and all clubs aware of the changes. I cant see any mention of a "Bartering System" in these rules :dunno: Where can a person download a copy of the current 2013 rules ?

COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM - 2010

Category – A40 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Overseas player
•NZ Barter Card Competition
•Second Tier Competition from other Countries
•NRL / ARL / NSWRL including the National Under 20’s Competition
•Representative player from another code
•Jim Beam Cup / Bundaberg Red Cup

Category – B25 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Any player transferring from another club within Group 6 / Western Suburbs DJRL registering in1st Grade – Reserve Grade –
3rd Grade – Under 18’s

Category – C20 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Region Representative / Divisional Representative / Group Representative / NSWRL Junior Representative

Category – D10 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Players from outside Group 6 / Western Suburbs District JRL
•Players transferring from another code

Category – E2 POINTS – Per player
•Locally developed players and local players returning to their Junior Club regardless of status or grade previous.

Note – Definition of a local player;
•where a player commenced his rugby league participation from under 6’s to under 16’s
•Majority of years played at junior club – under 6’s to under 16’s
•Should the majority be equal between clubs – Local Club will be deemed the players’ first registered club
•3 Consecutive years with the club – Under 18’s and above
COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM – 2010 ...Continued
Note accompanying the Points System for the Combined Competition 2010
Qualifications –
1.First Grade Clubs - Defined by Clubs fielding teams in 1st Grade and Reserve Grade
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 300 POINTS per round per First Grade Club

2.3rd Grade Clubs – Defined by clubs fielding teams in 3rd grade –
This grade is independent of the 1st and Reserve Grade Competitions
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 250 POINTS

3.2nd Grade only - Defined by clubs fielding a team in 2nd grade only –
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 200 POINTS

4.Under 18’s – Clubs who participate in the Under 18’s competition
•Points - Allocated an additional 50 POINTS per team

5.Points will hold the same value for a period of three (3) years

6.After three (3) consecutive years service with one club the player will be deemed a local – Under 18’s and above

7.Group 6 only – Any player from the above categories who reside within the residential boundary of the club that he is registered with will receive 20% discount. (Proof of residential status must be provided)

8.Group 6 only – Players coming out of the Junior Competition must remain with their Parent Club until they progress out of the Under 18’s competition. At that time they will come under the above points system.

8.1Western Suburbs DJRL – Players coming out of the Junior Competition into the under 18’s competitions or higher grade will come under the above points system.

9.Forfeits - Any club who forfeits a round will be reduced to half the allocated points allowed.

10.The Combined Committee reserves the right to make determinations on the Points System where extraordinary circumstances may occur.
That was 2010.
And I am going over old ground again here, but i'll explain it again.
The "bartering" was agreed upon at the end of season forum at Mittagong RSL (2010-2011).
A club could ask for a reduction on a player from his releasing club so that he could be classed as a category 10 player.
The theory behind this was that it is hardly fair that a reserve grade player be graded as 25 points, when you could get someone from the another league who is a seasoned first grader for 10 points. This left it in the hands of his releasing club, so that if they weren't disadvantaged by his departure they could pass this concession on.
The reason why so many people don't know stuff like this is because I have noticed a massive turnover in club committee's. It is hard work and thankless being a volunteer.
Does this make things a little clearer for you?



This is why it should be in the rules so everyone is on the same page.
Thx tc but now what is the go with the 5 point players, it just seems a bit coincidental that all these new points rules are coming in behind the scenes and other clubs get kicked out of whole competition because of point determination, It seems a bit like labor government running show, if your a mate then your in the loop and If your not then your not.
I'm not a group 6 sympathiser, I've had my run ins with them on several occasions, however I learned the errors in my own ways and realised that fighting with the board and arguing is not the best way of trying to get things done for my club.
Lets get one thing clear, The Eagles weren't kicked out for points determination. They weren't kicked out for exceeding the points, as this has happened to at least 3 clubs I can remember, Narellan in 2009? Oakdale 2010, Thirlmere 2012.
This is where everyone is getting lost, as It wasn't a points system trial at the meeting the other week, it was a trial for the eagles due to the events that occurred surrounding the points issues.
I'm sure if the Eagles had their time again, they would have turned up at The Oaks as they did when the flogged Camden.
Let it go til Friday, as i'm sure their will be a lot of people that will feel like venting then.
Who is determining the fate of the eagles where is the meeting at
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