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Eagles will have their appeal heard by the CRL on Friday. Group 6 will have to put their case to the CRL and the Eagles the same. Unsure of the venue ?
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May 15 2013, 04:58 PM
Eagles will have their appeal heard by the CRL on Friday. Group 6 will have to put their case to the CRL and the Eagles the same. Unsure of the venue ?
Rugby league HQ Moore Park
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Campbelltown Eagles confident of flying again


By Sean Cunningham
May 14, 2013, 3:09 p.m.

THE future of Campbelltown Eagles Rugby League Club, which hangs in the balance, will be decided later this week.

Booted out of the Group 6 competition last week for allegedly being over the quota of the player points tally, the Eagles could be renewing rivalries with their Group 6 opponents as early as this Sunday if Country Rugby League (CRL) decides in their favour.

Eagles spokesman Daniel Draper confirmed that the club applied last Tuesday to have an appeal heard and had been granted a hearing to state their case to CRL 11am this Friday at NRL headquarters, Moore Park.

Draper had been overseas at the time of the extraordinary meeting when the Eagles were thrown out of the competition through a vote in a secret ballot. But he will front CRL on Friday with proof which he believes will see the club he loves back on the footy field.

"I can supply evidence with what has happened with the player points tally," Draper said. "We want to play by the rules and just want our juniors recognised with the proper points.

"I was overseas at the extraordinary meeting when we were booted out so I wasn't there to defend the club.

"The two delegates that were there didn't have any paperwork with them because they didn't know we were going to be voted out of the comp."

Draper said he was remaining positive in the days leading up to the hearing which will determine the club's future: "My main aim is to get the club back in the Group 6 competition," he said.


"The Eagles love playing in the Group 6 comp and we love the rivalry we have with a number of the other clubs there.

"It will be the best thing for football in the Campbelltown area if we get back in the comp.

"We get a good crowd at our games and they will love to see us back again.

"I'm confident we can be reinstated."









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May 15 2013, 06:18 PM
Campbelltown Eagles confident of flying again


By Sean Cunningham
May 14, 2013, 3:09 p.m.

THE future of Campbelltown Eagles Rugby League Club, which hangs in the balance, will be decided later this week.

Booted out of the Group 6 competition last week for allegedly being over the quota of the player points tally, the Eagles could be renewing rivalries with their Group 6 opponents as early as this Sunday if Country Rugby League (CRL) decides in their favour.

Eagles spokesman Daniel Draper confirmed that the club applied last Tuesday to have an appeal heard and had been granted a hearing to state their case to CRL 11am this Friday at NRL headquarters, Moore Park.

Draper had been overseas at the time of the extraordinary meeting when the Eagles were thrown out of the competition through a vote in a secret ballot. But he will front CRL on Friday with proof which he believes will see the club he loves back on the footy field.

"I can supply evidence with what has happened with the player points tally," Draper said. "We want to play by the rules and just want our juniors recognised with the proper points.

"I was overseas at the extraordinary meeting when we were booted out so I wasn't there to defend the club.

"The two delegates that were there didn't have any paperwork with them because they didn't know we were going to be voted out of the comp."

Draper said he was remaining positive in the days leading up to the hearing which will determine the club's future: "My main aim is to get the club back in the Group 6 competition," he said.


"The Eagles love playing in the Group 6 comp and we love the rivalry we have with a number of the other clubs there.

"It will be the best thing for football in the Campbelltown area if we get back in the comp.

"We get a good crowd at our games and they will love to see us back again.

"I'm confident we can be reinstated."









Great bit of PR will this eveidence help considering the points aren't the alleged reason they were voted out???
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May 15 2013, 06:33 PM
Maverick
May 15 2013, 06:18 PM
Campbelltown Eagles confident of flying again


By Sean Cunningham
May 14, 2013, 3:09 p.m.

THE future of Campbelltown Eagles Rugby League Club, which hangs in the balance, will be decided later this week.

Booted out of the Group 6 competition last week for allegedly being over the quota of the player points tally, the Eagles could be renewing rivalries with their Group 6 opponents as early as this Sunday if Country Rugby League (CRL) decides in their favour.

Eagles spokesman Daniel Draper confirmed that the club applied last Tuesday to have an appeal heard and had been granted a hearing to state their case to CRL 11am this Friday at NRL headquarters, Moore Park.

Draper had been overseas at the time of the extraordinary meeting when the Eagles were thrown out of the competition through a vote in a secret ballot. But he will front CRL on Friday with proof which he believes will see the club he loves back on the footy field.

"I can supply evidence with what has happened with the player points tally," Draper said. "We want to play by the rules and just want our juniors recognised with the proper points.

"I was overseas at the extraordinary meeting when we were booted out so I wasn't there to defend the club.

"The two delegates that were there didn't have any paperwork with them because they didn't know we were going to be voted out of the comp."

Draper said he was remaining positive in the days leading up to the hearing which will determine the club's future: "My main aim is to get the club back in the Group 6 competition," he said.


"The Eagles love playing in the Group 6 comp and we love the rivalry we have with a number of the other clubs there.

"It will be the best thing for football in the Campbelltown area if we get back in the comp.

"We get a good crowd at our games and they will love to see us back again.

"I'm confident we can be reinstated."









Great bit of PR will this eveidence help considering the points aren't the alleged reason they were voted out???
Was the root of were all the problems stemmed from though.

Alot of post get deleted on here lately that are not slander nor defaming??

So can anyone fill all in on how this mentioned 5 point player tag works?
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May 15 2013, 07:56 AM
I see there is a 5 point player rule now in the Group, City Roos has quite a few 5 point players. What constitutes a 5 point player? 5 point players are not listed in the Group handbook im told. Is there any other clubs with the new 5 point player rule or just City?
No one seems to know or what to let know what the 5 point tag is about mate
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tc6_11
May 15 2013, 04:10 PM
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May 15 2013, 12:28 PM
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May 15 2013, 11:51 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 11:35 AM
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May 15 2013, 11:09 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Question ? the following is a copy of the 2010 Rules regarding points. Have these rules been re written and all clubs aware of the changes. I cant see any mention of a "Bartering System" in these rules :dunno: Where can a person download a copy of the current 2013 rules ?

COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM - 2010

Category – A40 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Overseas player
•NZ Barter Card Competition
•Second Tier Competition from other Countries
•NRL / ARL / NSWRL including the National Under 20’s Competition
•Representative player from another code
•Jim Beam Cup / Bundaberg Red Cup

Category – B25 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Any player transferring from another club within Group 6 / Western Suburbs DJRL registering in1st Grade – Reserve Grade –
3rd Grade – Under 18’s

Category – C20 POINTS – Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Region Representative / Divisional Representative / Group Representative / NSWRL Junior Representative

Category – D10 POINTS - Per player that has participated in any of the grades/competitions outlined below in the current season or the previous 3 seasons.
•Players from outside Group 6 / Western Suburbs District JRL
•Players transferring from another code

Category – E2 POINTS – Per player
•Locally developed players and local players returning to their Junior Club regardless of status or grade previous.

Note – Definition of a local player;
•where a player commenced his rugby league participation from under 6’s to under 16’s
•Majority of years played at junior club – under 6’s to under 16’s
•Should the majority be equal between clubs – Local Club will be deemed the players’ first registered club
•3 Consecutive years with the club – Under 18’s and above
COMBINED COMPETITION POINTS SYSTEM – 2010 ...Continued
Note accompanying the Points System for the Combined Competition 2010
Qualifications –
1.First Grade Clubs - Defined by Clubs fielding teams in 1st Grade and Reserve Grade
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 300 POINTS per round per First Grade Club

2.3rd Grade Clubs – Defined by clubs fielding teams in 3rd grade –
This grade is independent of the 1st and Reserve Grade Competitions
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 250 POINTS

3.2nd Grade only - Defined by clubs fielding a team in 2nd grade only –
•Points – Allocated a maximum of 200 POINTS

4.Under 18’s – Clubs who participate in the Under 18’s competition
•Points - Allocated an additional 50 POINTS per team

5.Points will hold the same value for a period of three (3) years

6.After three (3) consecutive years service with one club the player will be deemed a local – Under 18’s and above

7.Group 6 only – Any player from the above categories who reside within the residential boundary of the club that he is registered with will receive 20% discount. (Proof of residential status must be provided)

8.Group 6 only – Players coming out of the Junior Competition must remain with their Parent Club until they progress out of the Under 18’s competition. At that time they will come under the above points system.

8.1Western Suburbs DJRL – Players coming out of the Junior Competition into the under 18’s competitions or higher grade will come under the above points system.

9.Forfeits - Any club who forfeits a round will be reduced to half the allocated points allowed.

10.The Combined Committee reserves the right to make determinations on the Points System where extraordinary circumstances may occur.
That was 2010.
And I am going over old ground again here, but i'll explain it again.
The "bartering" was agreed upon at the end of season forum at Mittagong RSL (2010-2011).
A club could ask for a reduction on a player from his releasing club so that he could be classed as a category 10 player.
The theory behind this was that it is hardly fair that a reserve grade player be graded as 25 points, when you could get someone from the another league who is a seasoned first grader for 10 points. This left it in the hands of his releasing club, so that if they weren't disadvantaged by his departure they could pass this concession on.
The reason why so many people don't know stuff like this is because I have noticed a massive turnover in club committee's. It is hard work and thankless being a volunteer.
Does this make things a little clearer for you?



This is why it should be in the rules so everyone is on the same page.
Thx tc but now what is the go with the 5 point players, it just seems a bit coincidental that all these new points rules are coming in behind the scenes and other clubs get kicked out of whole competition because of point determination, It seems a bit like labor government running show, if your a mate then your in the loop and If your not then your not.
I'm not a group 6 sympathiser, I've had my run ins with them on several occasions, however I learned the errors in my own ways and realised that fighting with the board and arguing is not the best way of trying to get things done for my club.
Lets get one thing clear, The Eagles weren't kicked out for points determination. They weren't kicked out for exceeding the points, as this has happened to at least 3 clubs I can remember, Narellan in 2009? Oakdale 2010, Thirlmere 2012.
This is where everyone is getting lost, as It wasn't a points system trial at the meeting the other week, it was a trial for the eagles due to the events that occurred surrounding the points issues.
I'm sure if the Eagles had their time again, they would have turned up at The Oaks as they did when the flogged Camden.
Let it go til Friday, as i'm sure their will be a lot of people that will feel like venting then.
I don't think much venting will be done I believe it will just get sorted and everyone will get on with business as usual.
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Ok so I've heard a bit more of this 5 point rule given to a few 18s teams but yet again eagles 18s were not given this supposedly new rule..just another stab at the club..feel sorry for them..hopefully there is some good that comes out of Friday nights meeting
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tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Please elaborate on how you work it then? Shouldn't the point system be the same for every club
tc I believe you missed a question by franklin, that im sure many of us are dying to here
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Camden rammer
May 15 2013, 09:10 PM
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May 15 2013, 11:08 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Please elaborate on how you work it then? Shouldn't the point system be the same for every club
tc I believe you missed a question by franklin, that im sure many of us are dying to here
nah basically answered it on pg100 when I answered Mavericks question about the points.
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tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Please elaborate on how you work it then? Shouldn't the point system be the same for every club
tc I believe you missed a question by franklin, that im sure many of us are dying to here
nah basically answered it on pg100 when I answered Mavericks question about the points.
basically doesn't mean you answered it though
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May 15 2013, 09:34 PM
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May 15 2013, 11:08 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Please elaborate on how you work it then? Shouldn't the point system be the same for every club
tc I believe you missed a question by franklin, that im sure many of us are dying to here
nah basically answered it on pg100 when I answered Mavericks question about the points.
basically doesn't mean you answered it though
didn't need to, I answered it there.
I wonder how long before Oakdale Bear comes on the forum
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I believe TC basically said he doesn't think it's necessarily right, but for the good of his club he will go along with it. Sad, but I get where he is coming from.
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May 15 2013, 09:21 PM
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May 15 2013, 09:10 PM
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May 15 2013, 11:08 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Please elaborate on how you work it then? Shouldn't the point system be the same for every club
tc I believe you missed a question by franklin, that im sure many of us are dying to here
nah basically answered it on pg100 when I answered Mavericks question about the points.
basically doesn't mean you answered it though
didn't need to, I answered it there.
I wonder how long before Oakdale Bear comes on the forum
Then he could be mates with Mitta boy, Camden Rammer & Thirlmere Franklin.
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May 15 2013, 09:21 PM
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May 15 2013, 09:10 PM
Thirlmere franklin
May 15 2013, 11:08 AM
tc6_11
May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
It's a do-do system, but some people know how to work it, some don't, that's where the fair argument comes in.
I'm sure a fairer and easier system will be implemented next year, but for now we have to persevere with what we have in place.
Please elaborate on how you work it then? Shouldn't the point system be the same for every club
tc I believe you missed a question by franklin, that im sure many of us are dying to here
nah basically answered it on pg100 when I answered Mavericks question about the points.
basically doesn't mean you answered it though
didn't need to, I answered it there.
I wonder how long before Oakdale Bear comes on the forum
Then he could be mates with Mitta boy, Camden Rammer & Thirlmere Franklin.
An I bet my life on it that all he will be intrested in is the points... We ain't silly guys we all can see whats going on so please give it a rest because it's getting quite boring :worship:
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Found this gem in the CRL Constitution: (14) The Country Rugby League Appeals Board shall not adjudicate on an appeal which is concerned with a Group By-Law.

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May 15 2013, 10:17 PM
I believe TC basically said he doesn't think it's necessarily right, but for the good of his club he will go along with it. Sad, but I get where he is coming from.
Not quite.
I meant that I know the rules and don't mind asking clubs for changes in values.
It's a 2 way street
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Found this gem in the CRL Constitution: (14) The Country Rugby League Appeals Board shall not adjudicate on an appeal which is concerned with a Group By-Law.



When the by laws are change or altered and are not documented to show the change and approved then they are meaningless anyway to any appeal :correct: :correct: Youd be wasting your time reffering to a by law that has not been adhered to by that Group themselves ;)
Edited by The Assistant, May 16 2013, 11:19 AM.
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Off the topic anyone got tips for this weeks games
Oakdale v Camden
Narellan v moss vale
Thirlmere v oaks
Picton v city
Mine are oakdale by 30 Narellan by 40 oaks to upset thirlmere by 6 Picton to win in a close one by 4
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May 16 2013, 12:23 PM
Off the topic anyone got tips for this weeks games
Oakdale v Camden
Narellan v moss vale
Thirlmere v oaks
Picton v city
Mine are oakdale by 30 Narellan by 40 oaks to upset thirlmere by 6 Picton to win in a close one by 4
Eagles v Mitta, Eagles by 8 in a tight one due to Eagles down an match fitness.
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