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Topic Started: Oct 12 2012, 07:38 PM (235,956 Views)
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May 18 2013, 10:23 AM
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Just a short reply, but if this case was as "Black and White  " as you say, then why would the CRL need legal advice?
The hearing ran for about an hour. Both sides spoke and answered questions put to them. I can't see anything sinister about them adjourning the meeting to discuss what they heard and clarify any legal questions. Just because the hearing didn't pan out the way the eagles told everyone it would, doesn't mean the CRL did the wrong thing, it just means your club underestimated the time frame. It would be an extremely dramatic move on the CRL's part for them to overturn a decision made by a group's General Committee in a democratic process. I could see them ruling against the Group if there was a mistake in the procedure that the Management Committee followed but the way your club has conducted themselves this year will definitely be an issue. And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
Firstly, this is not "my club" anymore (I am with All Saints). I, like you, am a moderator. But I look at both sides of the picture. You seem to have a one sided view. If the CRL deemed the Eagles to be totally wrong, then legal advice would not be needed to simply uphold the decision made by Group 6. No conspiracy, just a fact, that the reasons for Eagles dismissal may or may not have been proper or in the spirit of a very good competition. Will you change your mind if the CRL changes the decision ? I will wait to see what is said by the CRL next week before I make my final opinion. I don't think it would change my opinion because the General Committee made the decision. The General Committee is made up of delegates from every club. Are you saying that the General Committee isn't competent enough to make decisions on issues relating to their comp?
If the CRL had made a decision yesterday and ruled against the Eagles people would have been screaming that they made a snap decision and didn't take any time to deliberate on the matter.
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May 18 2013, 10:27 AM
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Not being involved, I cant answer that question nor do I have an opinion. The response by the CRL will answer that.
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May 18 2013, 10:28 AM
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That's very deep TC LOL
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May 18 2013, 10:30 AM
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Anyways, We've got or 50Yr Celebration today. There is going to be a massive crowd at Sid Sharpe Memorial Oval for our anniversary clash with Camden. Reserve Grade is at 3pm First Grade is at 4.30pm There is a club function on after our Match Presentation in the Workers Club. Get out there early!
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May 18 2013, 11:16 AM
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Just a short reply, but if this case was as "Black and White  " as you say, then why would the CRL need legal advice?
The hearing ran for about an hour. Both sides spoke and answered questions put to them. I can't see anything sinister about them adjourning the meeting to discuss what they heard and clarify any legal questions. Just because the hearing didn't pan out the way the eagles told everyone it would, doesn't mean the CRL did the wrong thing, it just means your club underestimated the time frame. It would be an extremely dramatic move on the CRL's part for them to overturn a decision made by a group's General Committee in a democratic process. I could see them ruling against the Group if there was a mistake in the procedure that the Management Committee followed but the way your club has conducted themselves this year will definitely be an issue. And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
Firstly, this is not "my club" anymore (I am with All Saints). I, like you, am a moderator. But I look at both sides of the picture. You seem to have a one sided view. If the CRL deemed the Eagles to be totally wrong, then legal advice would not be needed to simply uphold the decision made by Group 6. No conspiracy, just a fact, that the reasons for Eagles dismissal may or may not have been proper or in the spirit of a very good competition. Will you change your mind if the CRL changes the decision ? I will wait to see what is said by the CRL next week before I make my final opinion.
How you deal with adversity shows what kind of a person you are. I have tried to gather as much information as possable and I spoke to alot of people in places who know the answers.I wil now make a comment. Eagles where over the points ,very grey area and I believe they were hard done by.But the facts remain they chose not to field sides and spat the dummy causing a snowball effect which clubs lost revenue,game time,sponsors lose exposure and definately not in the spirit of the game and Clubs lose faith in Eagles.So could the Eagles management dealt with these issues differently? Yes Oakdale did in 2010 which gives weight to TC comment that how you deal with adversity shows your character.Thirlmere did last year so why did Eagles act differently? No Club,Official,Player,Coach,Runner is bigger then the game and Egos need to be put aside for the good of that.I hope Eagles do get reinstated but only if they truely have learnt a lesson from this debarcle.
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May 18 2013, 11:37 AM
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Anyways, We've got or 50Yr Celebration today. There is going to be a massive crowd at Sid Sharpe Memorial Oval for our anniversary clash with Camden. Reserve Grade is at 3pm First Grade is at 4.30pm There is a club function on after our Match Presentation in the Workers Club. Get out there early! Should be a great day for you guys. Good luck
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Ozzy
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May 18 2013, 01:04 PM
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Just a short reply, but if this case was as "Black and White  " as you say, then why would the CRL need legal advice?
The hearing ran for about an hour. Both sides spoke and answered questions put to them. I can't see anything sinister about them adjourning the meeting to discuss what they heard and clarify any legal questions. Just because the hearing didn't pan out the way the eagles told everyone it would, doesn't mean the CRL did the wrong thing, it just means your club underestimated the time frame. It would be an extremely dramatic move on the CRL's part for them to overturn a decision made by a group's General Committee in a democratic process. I could see them ruling against the Group if there was a mistake in the procedure that the Management Committee followed but the way your club has conducted themselves this year will definitely be an issue. And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
Firstly, this is not "my club" anymore (I am with All Saints). I, like you, am a moderator. But I look at both sides of the picture. You seem to have a one sided view. If the CRL deemed the Eagles to be totally wrong, then legal advice would not be needed to simply uphold the decision made by Group 6. No conspiracy, just a fact, that the reasons for Eagles dismissal may or may not have been proper or in the spirit of a very good competition. Will you change your mind if the CRL changes the decision ? I will wait to see what is said by the CRL next week before I make my final opinion.
How you deal with adversity shows what kind of a person you are.
I have tried to gather as much information as possable and I spoke to alot of people in places who know the answers.I wil now make a comment. Eagles where over the points ,very grey area and I believe they were hard done by.But the facts remain they chose not to field sides and spat the dummy causing a snowball effect which clubs lost revenue,game time,sponsors lose exposure and definately not in the spirit of the game and Clubs lose faith in Eagles.So could the Eagles management dealt with these issues differently? Yes Oakdale did in 2010 which gives weight to TC comment that how you deal with adversity shows your character.Thirlmere did last year so why did Eagles act differently? No Club,Official,Player,Coach,Runner is bigger then the game and Egos need to be put aside for the good of that.I hope Eagles do get reinstated but only if they truely have learnt a lesson from this debarcle. Eagles may have done a few things wrong but group management were not straight A students in all this either, changing the juniors rule on the Eagles and not allowing the local 2 point player after 3 consecutive year at a CLUB rule when it was allowed the previous two seasons was not in a spirited fashion. Allowing City Roos to continue under the rules and not Eagles who both came in at the same time same circumstances was not spirited also. Eagles have cause to feel hard done by there as these point rules should have been made when eagles enter and affiliated to Group 6 not two seasons on and 3 rounds into the comp after they'd assembled squads. There has been a lot of things handled poorly from all parties so let's hope they kiss and make up and get on with it without any BS and 60 players get back on the park. That's what is all about the players the are the ones hurting.
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May 18 2013, 01:26 PM
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Just a short reply, but if this case was as "Black and White  " as you say, then why would the CRL need legal advice?
The hearing ran for about an hour. Both sides spoke and answered questions put to them. I can't see anything sinister about them adjourning the meeting to discuss what they heard and clarify any legal questions. Just because the hearing didn't pan out the way the eagles told everyone it would, doesn't mean the CRL did the wrong thing, it just means your club underestimated the time frame. It would be an extremely dramatic move on the CRL's part for them to overturn a decision made by a group's General Committee in a democratic process. I could see them ruling against the Group if there was a mistake in the procedure that the Management Committee followed but the way your club has conducted themselves this year will definitely be an issue. And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
Firstly, this is not "my club" anymore (I am with All Saints). I, like you, am a moderator. But I look at both sides of the picture. You seem to have a one sided view. If the CRL deemed the Eagles to be totally wrong, then legal advice would not be needed to simply uphold the decision made by Group 6. No conspiracy, just a fact, that the reasons for Eagles dismissal may or may not have been proper or in the spirit of a very good competition. Will you change your mind if the CRL changes the decision ? I will wait to see what is said by the CRL next week before I make my final opinion.
How you deal with adversity shows what kind of a person you are.
I have tried to gather as much information as possable and I spoke to alot of people in places who know the answers.I wil now make a comment. Eagles where over the points ,very grey area and I believe they were hard done by.But the facts remain they chose not to field sides and spat the dummy causing a snowball effect which clubs lost revenue,game time,sponsors lose exposure and definately not in the spirit of the game and Clubs lose faith in Eagles.So could the Eagles management dealt with these issues differently? Yes Oakdale did in 2010 which gives weight to TC comment that how you deal with adversity shows your character.Thirlmere did last year so why did Eagles act differently? No Club,Official,Player,Coach,Runner is bigger then the game and Egos need to be put aside for the good of that.I hope Eagles do get reinstated but only if they truely have learnt a lesson from this debarcle.
Eagles may have done a few things wrong but group management were not straight A students in all this either, changing the juniors rule on the Eagles and not allowing the local 2 point player after 3 consecutive year at a CLUB rule when it was allowed the previous two seasons was not in a spirited fashion. Allowing City Roos to continue under the rules and not Eagles who both came in at the same time same circumstances was not spirited also. Eagles have cause to feel hard done by there as these point rules should have been made when eagles enter and affiliated to Group 6 not two seasons on and 3 rounds into the comp after they'd assembled squads. There has been a lot of things handled poorly from all parties so let's hope they kiss and make up and get on with it without any BS and 60 players get back on the park. That's what is all about the players the are the ones hurting. Maybe the eagles should have thought about the other clubs and the players they were hurting when they forfeited those games or when their players turned up at Claymore to cause trouble. The points issue could have been dealt through the proper procedures without resorting to bullying and stand over tactics.
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May 18 2013, 04:15 PM
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Just a short reply, but if this case was as "Black and White  " as you say, then why would the CRL need legal advice?
The hearing ran for about an hour. Both sides spoke and answered questions put to them. I can't see anything sinister about them adjourning the meeting to discuss what they heard and clarify any legal questions. Just because the hearing didn't pan out the way the eagles told everyone it would, doesn't mean the CRL did the wrong thing, it just means your club underestimated the time frame. It would be an extremely dramatic move on the CRL's part for them to overturn a decision made by a group's General Committee in a democratic process. I could see them ruling against the Group if there was a mistake in the procedure that the Management Committee followed but the way your club has conducted themselves this year will definitely be an issue. And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
Firstly, this is not "my club" anymore (I am with All Saints). I, like you, am a moderator. But I look at both sides of the picture. You seem to have a one sided view. If the CRL deemed the Eagles to be totally wrong, then legal advice would not be needed to simply uphold the decision made by Group 6. No conspiracy, just a fact, that the reasons for Eagles dismissal may or may not have been proper or in the spirit of a very good competition. Will you change your mind if the CRL changes the decision ? I will wait to see what is said by the CRL next week before I make my final opinion.
How you deal with adversity shows what kind of a person you are.
I have tried to gather as much information as possable and I spoke to alot of people in places who know the answers.I wil now make a comment. Eagles where over the points ,very grey area and I believe they were hard done by.But the facts remain they chose not to field sides and spat the dummy causing a snowball effect which clubs lost revenue,game time,sponsors lose exposure and definately not in the spirit of the game and Clubs lose faith in Eagles.So could the Eagles management dealt with these issues differently? Yes Oakdale did in 2010 which gives weight to TC comment that how you deal with adversity shows your character.Thirlmere did last year so why did Eagles act differently? No Club,Official,Player,Coach,Runner is bigger then the game and Egos need to be put aside for the good of that.I hope Eagles do get reinstated but only if they truely have learnt a lesson from this debarcle.
Eagles may have done a few things wrong but group management were not straight A students in all this either, changing the juniors rule on the Eagles and not allowing the local 2 point player after 3 consecutive year at a CLUB rule when it was allowed the previous two seasons was not in a spirited fashion. Allowing City Roos to continue under the rules and not Eagles who both came in at the same time same circumstances was not spirited also. Eagles have cause to feel hard done by there as these point rules should have been made when eagles enter and affiliated to Group 6 not two seasons on and 3 rounds into the comp after they'd assembled squads. There has been a lot of things handled poorly from all parties so let's hope they kiss and make up and get on with it without any BS and 60 players get back on the park. That's what is all about the players the are the ones hurting.
Maybe the eagles should have thought about the other clubs and the players they were hurting when they forfeited those games or when their players turned up at Claymore to cause trouble. The points issue could have been dealt through the proper procedures without resorting to bullying and stand over tactics. Don't think anyone has been stood over or bullied love lol your extreme in your venting and hate of the Eagles sweet heart. One forfeit due to not being able to field under the points which the clubs I believe and also the Group were notified prior. The Oaks were told to turn up knowing full well the Eagles and told the Group it was impossible to field 3 grades. Clubs were also told only 2 Eagles players came back from Wests juniors as being found juniors yet it was actually 13 players were proven by wests evidence was presented on, in effect clubs have been miss informed on all events which I'm sure will come out in next weeks hearing. Until then it's all hear say. Eagles did try several timed to get their points sorted with the group through the right channels only to have more rules and penalties imposed most of all losing the use of their junior club and consecutive years players.
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May 18 2013, 04:29 PM
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Just a short reply, but if this case was as "Black and White  " as you say, then why would the CRL need legal advice?
The hearing ran for about an hour. Both sides spoke and answered questions put to them. I can't see anything sinister about them adjourning the meeting to discuss what they heard and clarify any legal questions. Just because the hearing didn't pan out the way the eagles told everyone it would, doesn't mean the CRL did the wrong thing, it just means your club underestimated the time frame. It would be an extremely dramatic move on the CRL's part for them to overturn a decision made by a group's General Committee in a democratic process. I could see them ruling against the Group if there was a mistake in the procedure that the Management Committee followed but the way your club has conducted themselves this year will definitely be an issue. And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
Firstly, this is not "my club" anymore (I am with All Saints). I, like you, am a moderator. But I look at both sides of the picture. You seem to have a one sided view. If the CRL deemed the Eagles to be totally wrong, then legal advice would not be needed to simply uphold the decision made by Group 6. No conspiracy, just a fact, that the reasons for Eagles dismissal may or may not have been proper or in the spirit of a very good competition. Will you change your mind if the CRL changes the decision ? I will wait to see what is said by the CRL next week before I make my final opinion.
How you deal with adversity shows what kind of a person you are.
I have tried to gather as much information as possable and I spoke to alot of people in places who know the answers.I wil now make a comment. Eagles where over the points ,very grey area and I believe they were hard done by.But the facts remain they chose not to field sides and spat the dummy causing a snowball effect which clubs lost revenue,game time,sponsors lose exposure and definately not in the spirit of the game and Clubs lose faith in Eagles.So could the Eagles management dealt with these issues differently? Yes Oakdale did in 2010 which gives weight to TC comment that how you deal with adversity shows your character.Thirlmere did last year so why did Eagles act differently? No Club,Official,Player,Coach,Runner is bigger then the game and Egos need to be put aside for the good of that.I hope Eagles do get reinstated but only if they truely have learnt a lesson from this debarcle.
Eagles may have done a few things wrong but group management were not straight A students in all this either, changing the juniors rule on the Eagles and not allowing the local 2 point player after 3 consecutive year at a CLUB rule when it was allowed the previous two seasons was not in a spirited fashion. Allowing City Roos to continue under the rules and not Eagles who both came in at the same time same circumstances was not spirited also. Eagles have cause to feel hard done by there as these point rules should have been made when eagles enter and affiliated to Group 6 not two seasons on and 3 rounds into the comp after they'd assembled squads. There has been a lot of things handled poorly from all parties so let's hope they kiss and make up and get on with it without any BS and 60 players get back on the park. That's what is all about the players the are the ones hurting.
Maybe the eagles should have thought about the other clubs and the players they were hurting when they forfeited those games or when their players turned up at Claymore to cause trouble. The points issue could have been dealt through the proper procedures without resorting to bullying and stand over tactics.
Don't think anyone has been stood over or bullied love lol your extreme in your venting and hate of the Eagles sweet heart. One forfeit due to not being able to field under the points which the clubs I believe and also the Group were notified prior. The Oaks were told to turn up knowing full well the Eagles and told the Group it was impossible to field 3 grades. Clubs were also told only 2 Eagles players came back from Wests juniors as being found juniors yet it was actually 13 players were proven by wests evidence was presented on, in effect clubs have been miss informed on all events which I'm sure will come out in next weeks hearing. Until then it's all hear say. Eagles did try several timed to get their points sorted with the group through the right channels only to have more rules and penalties imposed most of all losing the use of their junior club and consecutive years players. And I ask again;
"Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
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May 18 2013, 04:59 PM
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Just a short reply, but if this case was as "Black and White  " as you say, then why would the CRL need legal advice?
The hearing ran for about an hour. Both sides spoke and answered questions put to them. I can't see anything sinister about them adjourning the meeting to discuss what they heard and clarify any legal questions. Just because the hearing didn't pan out the way the eagles told everyone it would, doesn't mean the CRL did the wrong thing, it just means your club underestimated the time frame. It would be an extremely dramatic move on the CRL's part for them to overturn a decision made by a group's General Committee in a democratic process. I could see them ruling against the Group if there was a mistake in the procedure that the Management Committee followed but the way your club has conducted themselves this year will definitely be an issue. And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
Firstly, this is not "my club" anymore (I am with All Saints). I, like you, am a moderator. But I look at both sides of the picture. You seem to have a one sided view. If the CRL deemed the Eagles to be totally wrong, then legal advice would not be needed to simply uphold the decision made by Group 6. No conspiracy, just a fact, that the reasons for Eagles dismissal may or may not have been proper or in the spirit of a very good competition. Will you change your mind if the CRL changes the decision ? I will wait to see what is said by the CRL next week before I make my final opinion.
How you deal with adversity shows what kind of a person you are.
I have tried to gather as much information as possable and I spoke to alot of people in places who know the answers.I wil now make a comment. Eagles where over the points ,very grey area and I believe they were hard done by.But the facts remain they chose not to field sides and spat the dummy causing a snowball effect which clubs lost revenue,game time,sponsors lose exposure and definately not in the spirit of the game and Clubs lose faith in Eagles.So could the Eagles management dealt with these issues differently? Yes Oakdale did in 2010 which gives weight to TC comment that how you deal with adversity shows your character.Thirlmere did last year so why did Eagles act differently? No Club,Official,Player,Coach,Runner is bigger then the game and Egos need to be put aside for the good of that.I hope Eagles do get reinstated but only if they truely have learnt a lesson from this debarcle.
Eagles may have done a few things wrong but group management were not straight A students in all this either, changing the juniors rule on the Eagles and not allowing the local 2 point player after 3 consecutive year at a CLUB rule when it was allowed the previous two seasons was not in a spirited fashion. Allowing City Roos to continue under the rules and not Eagles who both came in at the same time same circumstances was not spirited also. Eagles have cause to feel hard done by there as these point rules should have been made when eagles enter and affiliated to Group 6 not two seasons on and 3 rounds into the comp after they'd assembled squads. There has been a lot of things handled poorly from all parties so let's hope they kiss and make up and get on with it without any BS and 60 players get back on the park. That's what is all about the players the are the ones hurting.
Maybe the eagles should have thought about the other clubs and the players they were hurting when they forfeited those games or when their players turned up at Claymore to cause trouble. The points issue could have been dealt through the proper procedures without resorting to bullying and stand over tactics.
Don't think anyone has been stood over or bullied love lol your extreme in your venting and hate of the Eagles sweet heart. One forfeit due to not being able to field under the points which the clubs I believe and also the Group were notified prior. The Oaks were told to turn up knowing full well the Eagles and told the Group it was impossible to field 3 grades. Clubs were also told only 2 Eagles players came back from Wests juniors as being found juniors yet it was actually 13 players were proven by wests evidence was presented on, in effect clubs have been miss informed on all events which I'm sure will come out in next weeks hearing. Until then it's all hear say. Eagles did try several timed to get their points sorted with the group through the right channels only to have more rules and penalties imposed most of all losing the use of their junior club and consecutive years players.
And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening. Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum." They did love and copped more ridiculous imposes, other clubs never lost their 2 point players or junior club, Oakdale never had one anyone, very different cases and we could go on and on bla bla bla, the hearing will decide anyway guess will have to wait and see.
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Just a short reply, but if this case was as "Black and White  " as you say, then why would the CRL need legal advice?
The hearing ran for about an hour. Both sides spoke and answered questions put to them. I can't see anything sinister about them adjourning the meeting to discuss what they heard and clarify any legal questions. Just because the hearing didn't pan out the way the eagles told everyone it would, doesn't mean the CRL did the wrong thing, it just means your club underestimated the time frame. It would be an extremely dramatic move on the CRL's part for them to overturn a decision made by a group's General Committee in a democratic process. I could see them ruling against the Group if there was a mistake in the procedure that the Management Committee followed but the way your club has conducted themselves this year will definitely be an issue. And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
Firstly, this is not "my club" anymore (I am with All Saints). I, like you, am a moderator. But I look at both sides of the picture. You seem to have a one sided view. If the CRL deemed the Eagles to be totally wrong, then legal advice would not be needed to simply uphold the decision made by Group 6. No conspiracy, just a fact, that the reasons for Eagles dismissal may or may not have been proper or in the spirit of a very good competition. Will you change your mind if the CRL changes the decision ? I will wait to see what is said by the CRL next week before I make my final opinion.
How you deal with adversity shows what kind of a person you are.
I have tried to gather as much information as possable and I spoke to alot of people in places who know the answers.I wil now make a comment. Eagles where over the points ,very grey area and I believe they were hard done by.But the facts remain they chose not to field sides and spat the dummy causing a snowball effect which clubs lost revenue,game time,sponsors lose exposure and definately not in the spirit of the game and Clubs lose faith in Eagles.So could the Eagles management dealt with these issues differently? Yes Oakdale did in 2010 which gives weight to TC comment that how you deal with adversity shows your character.Thirlmere did last year so why did Eagles act differently? No Club,Official,Player,Coach,Runner is bigger then the game and Egos need to be put aside for the good of that.I hope Eagles do get reinstated but only if they truely have learnt a lesson from this debarcle.
Eagles may have done a few things wrong but group management were not straight A students in all this either, changing the juniors rule on the Eagles and not allowing the local 2 point player after 3 consecutive year at a CLUB rule when it was allowed the previous two seasons was not in a spirited fashion. Allowing City Roos to continue under the rules and not Eagles who both came in at the same time same circumstances was not spirited also. Eagles have cause to feel hard done by there as these point rules should have been made when eagles enter and affiliated to Group 6 not two seasons on and 3 rounds into the comp after they'd assembled squads. There has been a lot of things handled poorly from all parties so let's hope they kiss and make up and get on with it without any BS and 60 players get back on the park. That's what is all about the players the are the ones hurting.
Maybe the eagles should have thought about the other clubs and the players they were hurting when they forfeited those games or when their players turned up at Claymore to cause trouble. The points issue could have been dealt through the proper procedures without resorting to bullying and stand over tactics.
Don't think anyone has been stood over or bullied love lol your extreme in your venting and hate of the Eagles sweet heart. One forfeit due to not being able to field under the points which the clubs I believe and also the Group were notified prior. The Oaks were told to turn up knowing full well the Eagles and told the Group it was impossible to field 3 grades. Clubs were also told only 2 Eagles players came back from Wests juniors as being found juniors yet it was actually 13 players were proven by wests evidence was presented on, in effect clubs have been miss informed on all events which I'm sure will come out in next weeks hearing. Until then it's all hear say. Eagles did try several timed to get their points sorted with the group through the right channels only to have more rules and penalties imposed most of all losing the use of their junior club and consecutive years players.
And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening. Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
They did love and copped more ridiculous imposes, other clubs never lost their 2 point players or junior club, Oakdale never had one anyone, very different cases and we could go on and on bla bla bla, the hearing will decide anyway guess will have to wait and see. So kind of you to call me "love" & "sweetheart" - very affectionate of you - or was that suppose to belittle me and put me in my place, darling?
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May 18 2013, 05:16 PM
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I wish this eagles do-do would just go away, I just want footy focus again and next week we can
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Just a short reply, but if this case was as "Black and White  " as you say, then why would the CRL need legal advice?
The hearing ran for about an hour. Both sides spoke and answered questions put to them. I can't see anything sinister about them adjourning the meeting to discuss what they heard and clarify any legal questions. Just because the hearing didn't pan out the way the eagles told everyone it would, doesn't mean the CRL did the wrong thing, it just means your club underestimated the time frame. It would be an extremely dramatic move on the CRL's part for them to overturn a decision made by a group's General Committee in a democratic process. I could see them ruling against the Group if there was a mistake in the procedure that the Management Committee followed but the way your club has conducted themselves this year will definitely be an issue. And I ask again; "Why didn't your management appeal to the general committee in the first place after the points issue arose? That would have been the sensible and correct procedural thing to do and none of this would be happening.
Why is it that other clubs have managed to deal with their points issues without resorting to disrupting an entire comp? Not because they've got the inside running or "favours" but because they've worked with what they've got and with management, without throwing a gigantic tantrum."
Firstly, this is not "my club" anymore (I am with All Saints). I, like you, am a moderator. But I look at both sides of the picture. You seem to have a one sided view. If the CRL deemed the Eagles to be totally wrong, then legal advice would not be needed to simply uphold the decision made by Group 6. No conspiracy, just a fact, that the reasons for Eagles dismissal may or may not have been proper or in the spirit of a very good competition. Will you change your mind if the CRL changes the decision ? I will wait to see what is said by the CRL next week before I make my final opinion.
I don't think it would change my opinion because the General Committee made the decision. The General Committee is made up of delegates from every club. Are you saying that the General Committee isn't competent enough to make decisions on issues relating to their comp? If the CRL had made a decision yesterday and ruled against the Eagles people would have been screaming that they made a snap decision and didn't take any time to deliberate on the matter. I am a club secretary and I was present the night the Eagles were dismissed. I dont think you should be talking on behalf of the clubs, since the EGM I have been sent information that has had me a change of mind, Believe me or not as a club secretary i dont care, I just want to put my point across, we have had information handed to us at the meeting that could be seen as deceitful. thats all i will say. No club should have the right to stand down any player
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May 18 2013, 05:43 PM
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So Mr Club Secretary, who is being deceitful?? What info are you privy too that no other club is, and why would they give just to you??
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So Mr Club Secretary, who is being deceitful?? What info are you privy too that no other club is, and why would they give just to you?? did i say i was a Mr? Deceitful by the Group as I asked a questionn to the the Eagles, they forward what i asked and yes its dissapointing. this is killing our comp, contact Eagles management yourself and im sure they will pass it on
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So Mr Club Secretary, who is being deceitful?? What info are you privy too that no other club is, and why would they give just to you??
did i say i was a Mr? Deceitful by the Group as I asked a questionn to the the Eagles, they forward what i asked and yes its dissapointing. this is killing our comp, contact Eagles management yourself and im sure they will pass it on Sorry Ms Secretary but if you have info or Eagles have info that is 'deceitful' why wasn't it brought up earlier?? And is it relevant??
I think the gist of it is, as Black & White points out too, is that if that info was not allowed to be brought up at the EGM is that is was to do with the points, which wasn't what the EGM was about. The appeal process was were relevant new evidence was supposed to be used, which they failed to do.
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So Mr Club Secretary, who is being deceitful?? What info are you privy too that no other club is, and why would they give just to you?? It is the same documentation that our club has a copy of. It is documentation that the Group was given, but could not let clubs be privy to because it would contradict the Group's version of events. There are several clubs that have this information, but unfortunately it was after the vote. All I say is that some of the facts that the Group told the clubs were not facts at all. Say no more.
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So Mr Club Secretary, who is being deceitful?? What info are you privy too that no other club is, and why would they give just to you??
did i say i was a Mr? Deceitful by the Group as I asked a questionn to the the Eagles, they forward what i asked and yes its dissapointing. this is killing our comp, contact Eagles management yourself and im sure they will pass it on
Sorry Ms Secretary  but if you have info or Eagles have info that is 'deceitful' why wasn't it brought up earlier?? And is it relevant?? I think the gist of it is, as Black & White points out too, is that if that info was not allowed to be brought up at the EGM is that is was to do with the points, which wasn't what the EGM was about. The appeal process was were relevant new evidence was supposed to be used, which they failed to do. I wont waiste anymore time with you and this is just wht I thought would happen posting something, its not about points, its about what we were told at the meeting and what was not the truth, we voted on false information and that is wrong being lied too. i wante to say something and i have.
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So Mr Club Secretary, who is being deceitful?? What info are you privy too that no other club is, and why would they give just to you??
did i say i was a Mr? Deceitful by the Group as I asked a questionn to the the Eagles, they forward what i asked and yes its dissapointing. this is killing our comp, contact Eagles management yourself and im sure they will pass it on
Sorry Ms Secretary  but if you have info or Eagles have info that is 'deceitful' why wasn't it brought up earlier?? And is it relevant?? I think the gist of it is, as Black & White points out too, is that if that info was not allowed to be brought up at the EGM is that is was to do with the points, which wasn't what the EGM was about. The appeal process was were relevant new evidence was supposed to be used, which they failed to do.
I wont waiste anymore time with you and this is just wht I thought would happen posting something, its not about points, its about what we were told at the meeting and what was not the truth, we voted on false information and that is wrong being lied too. i wante to say something and i have. thank you I wasn't attacking you but you feel you have been lied to by Group 6, which could have changed the way you voted. Just trying to see what that info was about!!
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