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ive just heard hazo has got the sack from oakdale.. or he has walked out.. only just heard this anyone know anything about this fresh news??????
ask TC im sure he would no as he is mister information man
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ive just heard hazo has got the sack from oakdale.. or he has walked out.. only just heard this anyone know anything about this fresh news??????
ask TC im sure he would no as he is mister information man
could've said the same about a few of you. You guys seem to know more about my club than me.
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This is way off topic but on Grand Final day i was told by a little birdy that Liverpool Titans have applied to Group 6 Management to enter into the competition next year.... Im hearing that if accepted they will be playing out of Casula.... did anyone else hear this??? Or is it a trumour???
True but denied :hey: NSWRL have told Group 6 no more Wests clubs and from what ive heard Group 6 are not keen on any Wests clubs anyway. More content to grow their own clubs.

2013 will be identicle to 2012 no club movements from Wests.
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I'm with you Normy, success doesn't come overnight and City are a very young side... they will come good... That's what Leo plans to do at our club next season onwards.... Looking forward to it!
Only way to do it in my book JGT. Short term success= long term pain; short term pain= long term gain. There's been any number of examples of that in G6 over the past 15 years, including your club at one point. Mercenaries don't give a flying fornicate about the culture of your club, its past or its future, just the current paycheck. A few are necessary evils, but importing more than 6-7 is going to send a club back to the 2nd Division before too long, IMO.
As Narellan and Mittagong prove, they blooded a whole heap of kids 2009-11 and have really turned around from some dark days 2005-08.
I couldn't agree more.

The "mercenaries" that shop themselves around each year have no loyalty to any club and if the coins aren't clinking they walk.

Clubs should be looking to their juniors coming through, develop those players for the future and spend their points on a couple of marque players who will not only bolster their team but help develop the club's younger players who have potential.

Some clubs like Mittagong etc. have proved how successful that sort of thinking can be.

Look at the quality in the Camden 18's, they are going to be a huge asset to Camden's grade teams in the future and this is not some fluke but hard work from those involved in that team's development over a number of years.

Thirlmere is another club that have invested a lot of time and effort into their junior teams and this will pay off for their seniors down the track.

There are huge changes coming our way in the next few years and clubs will need smart management to survive and develop. Clubs can't afford to be short-sighted about the future, or lurch from one season to another without a longer term "game plan".
This is true B & W although it's alot easier for clubs like Thirlmere who have 330 junior players compared to our club with 150 juniors.... makes it very tough for us when it comes to pushing them into seniors....
Yes it is easier if you have a large junior base and your club is in an area with little to no development.

I think a co-operative arrangement between the junior and senior club helps but unfortunately, this doesn't always happen.
Most of all, kids who have come through your club are dyed in the wool and care about your club. That's where a club's next generation of volunteers, coaches, supporters etc will come from.
With the Camden coaching job up, it would seem common sense that their next great era will come through what's been building in their 18s for a few years now. It can't be unrelated that the Rams great eras came from earlier success/es in their 18s grade.
* They won 3 U/18s comps 1972-1974 and then contested 4 straight 1st Grade Grand Finals 1976-79, winning one in 1978.
* They contested 18s GFs 1992-94 (lost all 3), won the 18s in 96-97 and also won 1st Grade comps in 94, 97, 98, 2000 & 2002.
Sure they weren't all Camden juniors and the demise of Wests Magpies at the end on 1999 sent them some players who dominated the Group for the 2000-03 period.
I must say, the Rams Reserve Grade coach has done a great job there in the past few years, and looks capable of turning the Rams back into that feared force.
Anyone heard who has got the gig or who is in the running for it?
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I'm with you Normy, success doesn't come overnight and City are a very young side... they will come good... That's what Leo plans to do at our club next season onwards.... Looking forward to it!
Only way to do it in my book JGT. Short term success= long term pain; short term pain= long term gain. There's been any number of examples of that in G6 over the past 15 years, including your club at one point. Mercenaries don't give a flying fornicate about the culture of your club, its past or its future, just the current paycheck. A few are necessary evils, but importing more than 6-7 is going to send a club back to the 2nd Division before too long, IMO.
As Narellan and Mittagong prove, they blooded a whole heap of kids 2009-11 and have really turned around from some dark days 2005-08.
I couldn't agree more.

The "mercenaries" that shop themselves around each year have no loyalty to any club and if the coins aren't clinking they walk.

Clubs should be looking to their juniors coming through, develop those players for the future and spend their points on a couple of marque players who will not only bolster their team but help develop the club's younger players who have potential.

Some clubs like Mittagong etc. have proved how successful that sort of thinking can be.

Look at the quality in the Camden 18's, they are going to be a huge asset to Camden's grade teams in the future and this is not some fluke but hard work from those involved in that team's development over a number of years.

Thirlmere is another club that have invested a lot of time and effort into their junior teams and this will pay off for their seniors down the track.

There are huge changes coming our way in the next few years and clubs will need smart management to survive and develop. Clubs can't afford to be short-sighted about the future, or lurch from one season to another without a longer term "game plan".
This is true B & W although it's alot easier for clubs like Thirlmere who have 330 junior players compared to our club with 150 juniors.... makes it very tough for us when it comes to pushing them into seniors....
Yes it is easier if you have a large junior base and your club is in an area with little to no development.

I think a co-operative arrangement between the junior and senior club helps but unfortunately, this doesn't always happen.
Most of all, kids who have come through your club are dyed in the wool and care about your club. That's where a club's next generation of volunteers, coaches, supporters etc will come from.
With the Camden coaching job up, it would seem common sense that their next great era will come through what's been building in their 18s for a few years now. It can't be unrelated that the Rams great eras came from earlier success/es in their 18s grade.
* They won 3 U/18s comps 1972-1974 and then contested 4 straight 1st Grade Grand Finals 1976-79, winning one in 1978.
* They contested 18s GFs 1992-94 (lost all 3), won the 18s in 96-97 and also won 1st Grade comps in 94, 97, 98, 2000 & 2002.
Sure they weren't all Camden juniors and the demise of Wests Magpies at the end on 1999 sent them some players who dominated the Group for the 2000-03 period.
I must say, the Rams Reserve Grade coach has done a great job there in the past few years, and looks capable of turning the Rams back into that feared force.
Anyone heard who has got the gig or who is in the running for it?
Black & White you are on the money. The Dragons did that when they re-entered 1st grade in 2005 and focused on juniors players and building a side aorund them and we were fortunate to win a comp in 2010.

We will be doing something similar over the next 4-5 years as we have some handy kids playing 14-18's. However as JGT Mossy junior base is not as big as others and the seniors generally have to bring in 3-4 "imports" to bolster playing depth.

I think the group need to be tighter on the points issue so it reduces clubs abilities to bring in imported players. Makes it tough though for a club like Oakdale that doesnt have a junior club
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The Dragons did that when they re-entered 1st grade in 2005 and focused on juniors players and building a side aorund them and we were fortunate to win a comp in 2010.

We will be doing something similar over the next 4-5 years as we have some handy kids playing 14-18's. However as JGT Mossy junior base is not as big as others and the seniors generally have to bring in 3-4 "imports" to bolster playing depth.

I think the group need to be tighter on the points issue so it reduces clubs abilities to bring in imported players. Makes it tough though for a club like Oakdale that doesnt have a junior club
Nail, your great era of 1981-1991 came through from Highlands juniors, with successes with the Reserves in 79, 18s in 1980 and I think your reggies played in the 81 GF but got beat by Oakdale. Mossy had spent the 70s mired in the 2nd Division and then developed a home grown club that was better than what the might of the then Campbelltown teams could offer. Funnily enough, great stalwarts of that era like Knight, Loader, Saunders, Burke were key to resurrecting Mossy's fortunes and are still volunteering now.

Our club proposed a unique solution for Oakdale's 18s dilemma at last week's forum. A solution needs to be found.
A lot of people bag Oakdale for not having juniors, so on, so forth. Would you prefer a soccer or Rugby or AFL club to take their place?

People ask why don't the two clubs merge? Why should they? They've both been running for over 50 years and anyone who saw the turnout of supporters for the Workers at the 2011 GF would realise that it is a damn good footy club. When was the last time they missed the semis?

Check me if I'm wrong TC, but the simple fact is that Oakdale has always worked (especially since the mines closed) on getting groups of players in who aren't happy with their present arrangements. These players are then very quickly (& successfully) moulded to the Oakdale way. A Camden faction went up the mountain when things started going awry at the Rams a few years back. The burgeoning populations of Mount Annan- Narellan- Camden etc will easily be able to support the two current 1st Grade clubs in the area (Camden & Narellan)- why can't the spillover be channelled up to The Oaks or Oakdale?
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The Dragons did that when they re-entered 1st grade in 2005 and focused on juniors players and building a side aorund them and we were fortunate to win a comp in 2010.

We will be doing something similar over the next 4-5 years as we have some handy kids playing 14-18's. However as JGT Mossy junior base is not as big as others and the seniors generally have to bring in 3-4 "imports" to bolster playing depth.

I think the group need to be tighter on the points issue so it reduces clubs abilities to bring in imported players. Makes it tough though for a club like Oakdale that doesnt have a junior club
Nail, your great era of 1981-1991 came through from Highlands juniors, with successes with the Reserves in 79, 18s in 1980 and I think your reggies played in the 81 GF but got beat by Oakdale. Mossy had spent the 70s mired in the 2nd Division and then developed a home grown club that was better than what the might of the then Campbelltown teams could offer. Funnily enough, great stalwarts of that era like Knight, Loader, Saunders, Burke were key to resurrecting Mossy's fortunes and are still volunteering now.

Our club proposed a unique solution for Oakdale's 18s dilemma at last week's forum. A solution needs to be found.
A lot of people bag Oakdale for not having juniors, so on, so forth. Would you prefer a soccer or Rugby or AFL club to take their place?

People ask why don't the two clubs merge? Why should they? They've both been running for over 50 years and anyone who saw the turnout of supporters for the Workers at the 2011 GF would realise that it is a damn good footy club. When was the last time they missed the semis?

Check me if I'm wrong TC, but the simple fact is that Oakdale has always worked (especially since the mines closed) on getting groups of players in who aren't happy with their present arrangements. A big Camden faction went up the mountain when things started going awry at the Rams a few years back. The burgeoning populations of Mount Annan- Narellan- Camden etc will easily be able to support the two current 1st Grade clubs in the area (Camden & Narellan)- why can't the spillover be channelled up to The Oaks or Oakdale?
I don't think either of our clubs need any more players for our grade teams Orana.... we had 60+ grade players this year..... I think our U18's could do with more players but having 2 x U16 teams this year helps with our 18s numbers for next year... I would love to see Oakdale and The Oaks have an U18's next season!
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The Dragons did that when they re-entered 1st grade in 2005 and focused on juniors players and building a side aorund them and we were fortunate to win a comp in 2010.

We will be doing something similar over the next 4-5 years as we have some handy kids playing 14-18's. However as JGT Mossy junior base is not as big as others and the seniors generally have to bring in 3-4 "imports" to bolster playing depth.

I think the group need to be tighter on the points issue so it reduces clubs abilities to bring in imported players. Makes it tough though for a club like Oakdale that doesnt have a junior club
Nail, your great era of 1981-1991 came through from Highlands juniors, with successes with the Reserves in 79, 18s in 1980 and I think your reggies played in the 81 GF but got beat by Oakdale. Mossy had spent the 70s mired in the 2nd Division and then developed a home grown club that was better than what the might of the then Campbelltown teams could offer. Funnily enough, great stalwarts of that era like Knight, Loader, Saunders, Burke were key to resurrecting Mossy's fortunes and are still volunteering now.

Our club proposed a unique solution for Oakdale's 18s dilemma at last week's forum. A solution needs to be found.
A lot of people bag Oakdale for not having juniors, so on, so forth. Would you prefer a soccer or Rugby or AFL club to take their place?

People ask why don't the two clubs merge? Why should they? They've both been running for over 50 years and anyone who saw the turnout of supporters for the Workers at the 2011 GF would realise that it is a damn good footy club. When was the last time they missed the semis?

Check me if I'm wrong TC, but the simple fact is that Oakdale has always worked (especially since the mines closed) on getting groups of players in who aren't happy with their present arrangements. A big Camden faction went up the mountain when things started going awry at the Rams a few years back. The burgeoning populations of Mount Annan- Narellan- Camden etc will easily be able to support the two current 1st Grade clubs in the area (Camden & Narellan)- why can't the spillover be channelled up to The Oaks or Oakdale?
I don't think either of our clubs need any more players for our grade teams Orana.... we had 60+ grade players this year..... I think our U18's could do with more players but having 2 x U16 teams this year helps with our 18s numbers for next year... I would love to see Oakdale and The Oaks have an U18's next season!
It's a great rivalry, and getting that spirit of The Oaks v Oakdale into them as soon as possible in U/18s, is good for the whole competition.
How many of those 60 graded players were solid Oaks people?
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The Dragons did that when they re-entered 1st grade in 2005 and focused on juniors players and building a side aorund them and we were fortunate to win a comp in 2010.

We will be doing something similar over the next 4-5 years as we have some handy kids playing 14-18's. However as JGT Mossy junior base is not as big as others and the seniors generally have to bring in 3-4 "imports" to bolster playing depth.

I think the group need to be tighter on the points issue so it reduces clubs abilities to bring in imported players. Makes it tough though for a club like Oakdale that doesnt have a junior club
Nail, your great era of 1981-1991 came through from Highlands juniors, with successes with the Reserves in 79, 18s in 1980 and I think your reggies played in the 81 GF but got beat by Oakdale. Mossy had spent the 70s mired in the 2nd Division and then developed a home grown club that was better than what the might of the then Campbelltown teams could offer. Funnily enough, great stalwarts of that era like Knight, Loader, Saunders, Burke were key to resurrecting Mossy's fortunes and are still volunteering now.

Our club proposed a unique solution for Oakdale's 18s dilemma at last week's forum. A solution needs to be found.
A lot of people bag Oakdale for not having juniors, so on, so forth. Would you prefer a soccer or Rugby or AFL club to take their place?

People ask why don't the two clubs merge? Why should they? They've both been running for over 50 years and anyone who saw the turnout of supporters for the Workers at the 2011 GF would realise that it is a damn good footy club. When was the last time they missed the semis?

Check me if I'm wrong TC, but the simple fact is that Oakdale has always worked (especially since the mines closed) on getting groups of players in who aren't happy with their present arrangements. A big Camden faction went up the mountain when things started going awry at the Rams a few years back. The burgeoning populations of Mount Annan- Narellan- Camden etc will easily be able to support the two current 1st Grade clubs in the area (Camden & Narellan)- why can't the spillover be channelled up to The Oaks or Oakdale?
I don't think either of our clubs need any more players for our grade teams Orana.... we had 60+ grade players this year..... I think our U18's could do with more players but having 2 x U16 teams this year helps with our 18s numbers for next year... I would love to see Oakdale and The Oaks have an U18's next season!
It's a great rivalry, and getting that spirit of The Oaks v Oakdale into them as soon as possible in U/18s, is good for the whole competition.
How many of those 60 graded players were solid Oaks people?
Pretty much all of our Reserve Grade side are, and about 3/4 of the 1st Grade side... every club needs a few imports i think...
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Good to see this forum starting to get a bit of credibility again, it went to the dogs for a while but we are once again talking Footy.
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Can we get a full list of 1st Grade teams and 1st Grade Coaches for 2013?

How many teams will be competiting in 1st Grade, I'm hearing anything up to 12 teams?

Appin Dogs
Camden Rams
Campbelltown Eagles
Campbelltown Kangaroos
Macarthur Bulls
Mittagong Lions
Moss Vale Dragons
Narellan Jets
Oakdale Bears
Picton Magpies
The Oaks Tigers
Thirlmere Roosters

Anyone wants to comment if this will be the 12 1st Grade sides for 2013? and lets get the Coach's that will be coaching these teams.
We are almost there, can we go one step further and talk Captains/Star Players?

Appin Dogs - Glen Whiteman
Camden Rams
Campbelltown Eagles - Richard Barnes
Campbelltown Kangaroos - Drew Dalton
Macarthur Bulls - Dennis Kinchella
Mittagong Lions - Scott Borg
Moss Vale Dragons
Narellan Jets - Darren Fallshaw
Oakdale Bears
Picton Magpies
The Oaks Tigers - Leo Denevor
Thirlmere Roosters

Rams, Workers, Thirlmere, Magpies and Roosters. How long before you name your coaches for 2013?

Group 6 should get some media coverage with all the Coaches in the photo and start talking it up. Even though Mossy doesn't have a coach I think they would be all cashed up, them and Narellan will be the improvers.
Edited by Ozzy, Oct 19 2012, 09:20 PM.
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Here is a link to the 1st edition of Group 6's Newsletter.

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Here is a link to the 1st edition of Group 6's Newsletter.

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Was it the executive officer we wrote the news letter? If so he seems to be venting at Mitta for questioning is job?? Rumblings have it most clubs want the position funded in part so if the exec can't as Jerry Maquire said "show me the money" then he would obviously have to step a side.

Was the high gate fees charged at grand final to cover the execs fail to bring in sponsors? What prize money was paid to winning clubs. Should be decent given the price hike in gates.
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Here is a link to the 1st edition of Group 6's Newsletter.

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Was it the executive officer we wrote the news letter? If so he seems to be venting at Mitta for questioning is job?? Rumblings have it most clubs want the position funded in part so if the exec can't as Jerry Maquire said "show me the money" then he would obviously have to step a side.

Was the high gate fees charged at grand final to cover the execs fail to bring in sponsors? What prize money was paid to winning clubs. Should be decent given the price hike in gates.
I'd imagine you'd have to ask the EO that or Mitta. I think he was given 3 years to to cover the cost of the position via sponsorship and he's only been in the job 12 months if that - not sure when he was appointed.

I don't know what the prize money was for the Grand Finals but BD could tell you what the Eagles got for 1st & reserve grade.
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Here is a link to the 1st edition of Group 6's Newsletter.

Group 6 Web site Link
Was it the executive officer we wrote the news letter? If so he seems to be venting at Mitta for questioning is job?? Rumblings have it most clubs want the position funded in part so if the exec can't as Jerry Maquire said "show me the money" then he would obviously have to step a side.

Was the high gate fees charged at grand final to cover the execs fail to bring in sponsors? What prize money was paid to winning clubs. Should be decent given the price hike in gates.
I'd imagine you'd have to ask the EO that or Mitta.
Instesting. What's wrong with a secretary, what ever happened to volunteers same as the clubs do. Clubs work hard I'd image for every dollar add in more costs and they would be asking questions why. Reading the letter it seems the clubs are up for more costs just for advertising.

Why does the EO offer a sponsorship pack to a paper or a DVD company on the Groups behalf so the clubs don't have to foot the bill?? He seems to need to be more pro active.
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Here is a link to the 1st edition of Group 6's Newsletter.

Group 6 Web site Link
Was it the executive officer we wrote the news letter? If so he seems to be venting at Mitta for questioning is job?? Rumblings have it most clubs want the position funded in part so if the exec can't as Jerry Maquire said "show me the money" then he would obviously have to step a side.

Was the high gate fees charged at grand final to cover the execs fail to bring in sponsors? What prize money was paid to winning clubs. Should be decent given the price hike in gates.
I'd imagine you'd have to ask the EO that or Mitta.
Instesting. What's wrong with a secretary, what ever happened to volunteers same as the clubs do. Clubs work hard I'd image for every dollar add in more costs and they would be asking questions why. Reading the letter it seems the clubs are up for more costs just for advertising.

Why does the EO offer a sponsorship pack to a paper or a DVD company on the Groups behalf so the clubs don't have to foot the bill?? He seems to need to be more pro active.
The seniors had a secretary last year and clubs spent a large amount of time bitching and whinging about him and weren't happy about the job he was doing either.

The Wests JL has a paid EO who earns more than double the money that the G6 EO earns and they don't even have a creditable senior comp anymore.

I'm not arguing one way or the other but I think that the job that's expected of the position be it a "secretary" or an "EO" these days is too big to be performed by a volunteer on a part time basis. It's hard enough to be a club secretary with the constant demands on your time and the work that needs to be done, I'd imagine that running both the Junior & Senior league is a massive job.

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After a request from BD I put together a U Tube site for The Eagles which they can add to every week if they wish or add old footage. As I did not have any footage from this year I started it with the 2011 Grand Final and Round 8 V Camden. I hope you enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/user/CampbelltownEagles

Changing video quality to 720 will achieve best picture results, or lowering to a lower level will increase download speed.

P.S Maybe your EO could look at this sort of thing as a say a match of the round basis?
Just a suggestion.
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After a request from BD I put together a U Tube site for The Eagles which they can add to every week if they wish or add old footage. As I did not have any footage from this year I started it with the 2011 Grand Final and Round 8 V Camden. I hope you enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/user/CampbelltownEagles

Changing video quality to 720 will achieve best picture results, or lowering to a lower level will increase download speed.

P.S Maybe your EO could look at this sort of thing as a say a match of the round basis?
Just a suggestion.
That is something they should bring up with him - it would be good especially if clubs want their games filmed each week which I think was brought up at the forum (don''t quote me as I wasn't there but I think that it was suggested).

I'm not sure if the clubs know that the EO does what he is told to do by Group Management - they make the decisions not him. I don't think he has a vote in the seniors like he does in the junior committee.
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The southern highland post seems to do a good job giving the clubs down there great exposure. I suppose that they have less area to cover than the Advertiser or Chronicle do in the middle & north of the group.
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The southern highland post seems to do a good job giving the clubs down there great exposure. I suppose that they have less area to cover than the Advertiser or Chronicle do in the middle & north of the group.
The problem with the camden, mac, & wollondilly advertiser is Sean cunningham writes for all 3 editions so can only go to one game to write up on. I think he has another that helps also but all thru the year at best we only got two games covered for the week in the northern papers.
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