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Apr 17 2013, 07:08 PM
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Eagles clash with Group 6 Two wins but no points yet By Sean Cunningham http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/story/1435464/eagles-clash-with-group-6-two-wins-but-no-points-yet/?cs=1562THE Group 6 rugby league season has just started but a storm of controversy surrounds last year's premiers Campbelltown Eagles. The Eagles have been asked to provide documentation from Wests Suburbs District Junior Rugby League to support their claims of these players having played the majority of their junior footy with East Campbelltown to be classed as Campbelltown Eagles juniors." Yesterday, Hazelton confirmed Group 6 received the documents which the Eagles submitted on Monday afternoon. "I finally received the information yesterday afternoon now it's up the committee to review," he said. "The Eagles have been stood down for seven days because they refuse to pay a fine. "Their teams remain stood down until they pay their fines." The two Eagles wins were by large margins. How things stand: Stalemate — and the season is in turmoil in its early stages The player points tally has reared its ugly head again. The Eagles have won both of their opening games but they have been given no competition points. The Campbelltown Eagle clash against Oakdale that was scheduled to be played on Sunday was being talked about by many as the match of the season. But because the Eagles have been stood down for failing to pay a fine, the game was cancelled. The points tally is the equivalent of the NRL's salary cap. Group 6 accused the Eagles of exceeding its quota. The points system deems an overseas, NRL and NSWRL representative worth 40 points. Ron Massey Cup players and players signed from within Group 6 are worth 25 points. A representative player at region, division or group level is worth 20 points. A player from outside Group 6 is worth 10 points and a locally developed player and local players returning to their junior club is worth two points. Group 6 imposed a fine on the Eagles but the club is adamant administrators have got it wrong. Several players which Group 6 deemed to be 40-point players are in fact former Eagles' juniors and should be rated as two-point players, which would bring the tally below quota. The Eagles informed Group 6 of the mistake but were told Group 6 needed to see the documents. A spokesman for the Eagles said the club had provided the documents in question. Group 6 Country Rugby League executive officer Stephen Hazelton said Group 6 had clearly asked the Eagles for the information to come from Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League. Group 6 were keen to see the documents. "Until then we have to operate on the points allocated to these players looking at the clearance history we can see from 2007 onwards," Hazelton said. "As only they have the correct player history for these players prior to 2007 as Group 6 Country Rugby League does not use or accept affidavits.
That would have been interesting ! Everybody know's that East's and West's are "best buddies"  Were West's happy to forward the old records ? All concerned would have known that was going to be a very difficult task
Looks like the Group has admitted they where wrong after all and the documents received prove so  Where to from here  An apology perhaps  Id like to see the Oakdale game replayed i think thats a given This whole debarcle is why the point system needs to run by the clubs not management
Are you serious?? IF the evidence proves they are juniors then from now on they can be classed as 2 point players, but they WEREN'T classed as 2 point players and Eagles played them irrespective. The Point system has copped criticism but at least it is making it an even playing field for ALL clubs. Fine tune it further, clubs give your input (which you have ample opportunities to do) and live with it!! What hasn't been answered is where these players have been for the past 5 years if they aren't on any clearance history system !!!
Have to agree with you jetter wrong or right in the long run doesn't matter they defied the groups instruction and though they may be harsh time to deal with the consequences. Not sure that this is saying that the group is wrong either?
We're ready to just put it all behind us and just get on with playing footy from here on out for the rest of the season ... and let the rest get sorted by the people that are dealing with it ... So lets get on with with this weeks games who is everyone tipping ??? My tips;
Mittagong v Thirlmere - Mittagong by a try or two The Oaks v Picton - Picton in a close one Campbelltown City v Narellan - Narellan by plenty Oakdale v Mossvale - Oakdale by plenty Campbelltown Eagles v Camden - Eagles by plenty
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Apr 17 2013, 08:19 PM
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Eagles clash with Group 6 Two wins but no points yet By Sean Cunningham http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/story/1435464/eagles-clash-with-group-6-two-wins-but-no-points-yet/?cs=1562THE Group 6 rugby league season has just started but a storm of controversy surrounds last year's premiers Campbelltown Eagles. The Eagles have been asked to provide documentation from Wests Suburbs District Junior Rugby League to support their claims of these players having played the majority of their junior footy with East Campbelltown to be classed as Campbelltown Eagles juniors." Yesterday, Hazelton confirmed Group 6 received the documents which the Eagles submitted on Monday afternoon. "I finally received the information yesterday afternoon now it's up the committee to review," he said. "The Eagles have been stood down for seven days because they refuse to pay a fine. "Their teams remain stood down until they pay their fines." The two Eagles wins were by large margins. How things stand: Stalemate — and the season is in turmoil in its early stages The player points tally has reared its ugly head again. The Eagles have won both of their opening games but they have been given no competition points. The Campbelltown Eagle clash against Oakdale that was scheduled to be played on Sunday was being talked about by many as the match of the season. But because the Eagles have been stood down for failing to pay a fine, the game was cancelled. The points tally is the equivalent of the NRL's salary cap. Group 6 accused the Eagles of exceeding its quota. The points system deems an overseas, NRL and NSWRL representative worth 40 points. Ron Massey Cup players and players signed from within Group 6 are worth 25 points. A representative player at region, division or group level is worth 20 points. A player from outside Group 6 is worth 10 points and a locally developed player and local players returning to their junior club is worth two points. Group 6 imposed a fine on the Eagles but the club is adamant administrators have got it wrong. Several players which Group 6 deemed to be 40-point players are in fact former Eagles' juniors and should be rated as two-point players, which would bring the tally below quota. The Eagles informed Group 6 of the mistake but were told Group 6 needed to see the documents. A spokesman for the Eagles said the club had provided the documents in question. Group 6 Country Rugby League executive officer Stephen Hazelton said Group 6 had clearly asked the Eagles for the information to come from Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League. Group 6 were keen to see the documents. "Until then we have to operate on the points allocated to these players looking at the clearance history we can see from 2007 onwards," Hazelton said. "As only they have the correct player history for these players prior to 2007 as Group 6 Country Rugby League does not use or accept affidavits.
That would have been interesting ! Everybody know's that East's and West's are "best buddies"  Were West's happy to forward the old records ? All concerned would have known that was going to be a very difficult task
Looks like the Group has admitted they where wrong after all and the documents received prove so  Where to from here  An apology perhaps  Id like to see the Oakdale game replayed i think thats a given This whole debarcle is why the point system needs to run by the clubs not management
Are you serious?? IF the evidence proves they are juniors then from now on they can be classed as 2 point players, but they WEREN'T classed as 2 point players and Eagles played them irrespective. The Point system has copped criticism but at least it is making it an even playing field for ALL clubs. Fine tune it further, clubs give your input (which you have ample opportunities to do) and live with it!! What hasn't been answered is where these players have been for the past 5 years if they aren't on any clearance history system !!!
Have to agree with you jetter wrong or right in the long run doesn't matter they defied the groups instruction and though they may be harsh time to deal with the consequences. Not sure that this is saying that the group is wrong either?
We're ready to just put it all behind us and just get on with playing footy from here on out for the rest of the season ... and let the rest get sorted by the people that are dealing with it ... So lets get on with with this weeks games who is everyone tipping ???
My tips; Mittagong v Thirlmere - Mittagong by a try or two The Oaks v Picton - Picton in a close one Campbelltown City v Narellan - Narellan by plenty Oakdale v Mossvale - Oakdale by plenty Campbelltown Eagles v Camden - Eagles by plenty Mitta by 20 Picton by 16 Narellan by 20+ Eagles (if they dont play there full side to get under points) by 4. By 20 if they play same team as rnd 1 & 2 Mossy by 2 if hindmarshes play otherwise Oakdale by 20+
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Apr 18 2013, 07:39 AM
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout NB. as to your question about where have they been for the last 5 years, it is totally irrelevant to this issue. This issue was always whether they are a 2 point players or not. The rule states that you are a 2 point player, if you have served the majority of your junior football from 4-16 years of age with one club and return to that club, no matter what level you have achieved after that or where you went, that you are a 2 point player. I cant agree with you on this one Jetter, if Trimachi came back at 40 points and Narellan didn't play him, I would be pretty well pissed and if we lost by 2 points and he could of made the differance you would be livid not playing him.
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Apr 18 2013, 07:53 AM
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Eagles clash with Group 6 Two wins but no points yet By Sean Cunningham http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/story/1435464/eagles-clash-with-group-6-two-wins-but-no-points-yet/?cs=1562THE Group 6 rugby league season has just started but a storm of controversy surrounds last year's premiers Campbelltown Eagles. The Eagles have been asked to provide documentation from Wests Suburbs District Junior Rugby League to support their claims of these players having played the majority of their junior footy with East Campbelltown to be classed as Campbelltown Eagles juniors." Yesterday, Hazelton confirmed Group 6 received the documents which the Eagles submitted on Monday afternoon. "I finally received the information yesterday afternoon now it's up the committee to review," he said. "The Eagles have been stood down for seven days because they refuse to pay a fine. "Their teams remain stood down until they pay their fines." The two Eagles wins were by large margins. How things stand: Stalemate — and the season is in turmoil in its early stages The player points tally has reared its ugly head again. The Eagles have won both of their opening games but they have been given no competition points. The Campbelltown Eagle clash against Oakdale that was scheduled to be played on Sunday was being talked about by many as the match of the season. But because the Eagles have been stood down for failing to pay a fine, the game was cancelled. The points tally is the equivalent of the NRL's salary cap. Group 6 accused the Eagles of exceeding its quota. The points system deems an overseas, NRL and NSWRL representative worth 40 points. Ron Massey Cup players and players signed from within Group 6 are worth 25 points. A representative player at region, division or group level is worth 20 points. A player from outside Group 6 is worth 10 points and a locally developed player and local players returning to their junior club is worth two points. Group 6 imposed a fine on the Eagles but the club is adamant administrators have got it wrong. Several players which Group 6 deemed to be 40-point players are in fact former Eagles' juniors and should be rated as two-point players, which would bring the tally below quota. The Eagles informed Group 6 of the mistake but were told Group 6 needed to see the documents. A spokesman for the Eagles said the club had provided the documents in question. Group 6 Country Rugby League executive officer Stephen Hazelton said Group 6 had clearly asked the Eagles for the information to come from Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League. Group 6 were keen to see the documents. "Until then we have to operate on the points allocated to these players looking at the clearance history we can see from 2007 onwards," Hazelton said. "As only they have the correct player history for these players prior to 2007 as Group 6 Country Rugby League does not use or accept affidavits. This is really becoming a sad state of affairs, Group 6 get your bloody act together.
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Apr 18 2013, 08:17 AM
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Eagles clash with Group 6 Two wins but no points yet By Sean Cunningham http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/story/1435464/eagles-clash-with-group-6-two-wins-but-no-points-yet/?cs=1562THE Group 6 rugby league season has just started but a storm of controversy surrounds last year's premiers Campbelltown Eagles. The Eagles have been asked to provide documentation from Wests Suburbs District Junior Rugby League to support their claims of these players having played the majority of their junior footy with East Campbelltown to be classed as Campbelltown Eagles juniors." Yesterday, Hazelton confirmed Group 6 received the documents which the Eagles submitted on Monday afternoon. "I finally received the information yesterday afternoon now it's up the committee to review," he said. "The Eagles have been stood down for seven days because they refuse to pay a fine. "Their teams remain stood down until they pay their fines." The two Eagles wins were by large margins. How things stand: Stalemate — and the season is in turmoil in its early stages The player points tally has reared its ugly head again. The Eagles have won both of their opening games but they have been given no competition points. The Campbelltown Eagle clash against Oakdale that was scheduled to be played on Sunday was being talked about by many as the match of the season. But because the Eagles have been stood down for failing to pay a fine, the game was cancelled. The points tally is the equivalent of the NRL's salary cap. Group 6 accused the Eagles of exceeding its quota. The points system deems an overseas, NRL and NSWRL representative worth 40 points. Ron Massey Cup players and players signed from within Group 6 are worth 25 points. A representative player at region, division or group level is worth 20 points. A player from outside Group 6 is worth 10 points and a locally developed player and local players returning to their junior club is worth two points. Group 6 imposed a fine on the Eagles but the club is adamant administrators have got it wrong. Several players which Group 6 deemed to be 40-point players are in fact former Eagles' juniors and should be rated as two-point players, which would bring the tally below quota. The Eagles informed Group 6 of the mistake but were told Group 6 needed to see the documents. A spokesman for the Eagles said the club had provided the documents in question. Group 6 Country Rugby League executive officer Stephen Hazelton said Group 6 had clearly asked the Eagles for the information to come from Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League. Group 6 were keen to see the documents. "Until then we have to operate on the points allocated to these players looking at the clearance history we can see from 2007 onwards," Hazelton said. "As only they have the correct player history for these players prior to 2007 as Group 6 Country Rugby League does not use or accept affidavits.
This is really becoming a sad state of affairs, Group 6 get your bloody act together. I think the camels back is broken over this one, a no confidence vote of the board will surely be put forward next GM over this points fiasco and add to it the 18s issues early this could spell the end for the current board
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Apr 18 2013, 08:22 AM
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout
OK Mavs, on that philosophy you commit a crime gambling you might get off, or don't commit the crime cause you know it is wrong??? In their mind they might have been right but as far as other clubs and Management were concerned they were still NOT 2 points players, and rather than not breaking the rules and standing players down till it got sorted, they made their own rules up and played them
 The points were on a piece of paper in front of them in black and white  Every other club didn't field players over their points but could have used that excuse too, and where would we be? Anarchy Anyway, just sets up for any interesting clash at Waminda when Oakdale and Eagles do play, and poor Camden will feel the wrath of Eagles this weekend I dare say did every other club field correct what if the other clubs points were wrong I over heard a Picton player listed as 2 points is in fact a Eagles junior and played at Eagles last year, should make him a 25 point player
Fact is the points sent out were wrong and someone needs to explain why
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Apr 18 2013, 08:28 AM
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout NB. as to your question about where have they been for the last 5 years, it is totally irrelevant to this issue. This issue was always whether they are a 2 point players or not. The rule states that you are a 2 point player, if you have served the majority of your junior football from 4-16 years of age with one club and return to that club, no matter what level you have achieved after that or where you went, that you are a 2 point player.
I cant agree with you on this one Jetter, if Trimachi came back at 40 points and Narellan didn't play him, I would be pretty well pissed and if we lost by 2 points and he could of made the differance you would be livid not playing him. Yes but the group & others in rugby league circles would be aware he came thru the group 6 system so would be aware of his affiliation to narellan. With easts jnrs ( &city) playing in a completely different jnr competition to established group 6 clubs not many associated with their clubs would know the origins of many jnrs coming into snrs for the Campbelltown clubs hence why the group asks for verification & proof.
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Apr 18 2013, 08:34 AM
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout
OK Mavs, on that philosophy you commit a crime gambling you might get off, or don't commit the crime cause you know it is wrong??? In their mind they might have been right but as far as other clubs and Management were concerned they were still NOT 2 points players, and rather than not breaking the rules and standing players down till it got sorted, they made their own rules up and played them
 The points were on a piece of paper in front of them in black and white  Every other club didn't field players over their points but could have used that excuse too, and where would we be? Anarchy Anyway, just sets up for any interesting clash at Waminda when Oakdale and Eagles do play, and poor Camden will feel the wrath of Eagles this weekend I dare say
did every other club field correct  what if the other clubs points were wrong  I over heard a Picton player listed as 2 points is in fact a Eagles junior and played at Eagles last year, should make him a 25 point player
Fact is the points sent out were wrong and someone needs to explain why It comes down to the club administration getting it right ,doing their homework & understanding the points system, only seems to be a problem when someone is caught or exploits the system. Why should it then be a group 6 problem ?
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Apr 18 2013, 08:42 AM
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout
OK Mavs, on that philosophy you commit a crime gambling you might get off, or don't commit the crime cause you know it is wrong??? In their mind they might have been right but as far as other clubs and Management were concerned they were still NOT 2 points players, and rather than not breaking the rules and standing players down till it got sorted, they made their own rules up and played them
 The points were on a piece of paper in front of them in black and white  Every other club didn't field players over their points but could have used that excuse too, and where would we be? Anarchy Anyway, just sets up for any interesting clash at Waminda when Oakdale and Eagles do play, and poor Camden will feel the wrath of Eagles this weekend I dare say
did every other club field correct  what if the other clubs points were wrong  I over heard a Picton player listed as 2 points is in fact a Eagles junior and played at Eagles last year, should make him a 25 point player
Fact is the points sent out were wrong and someone needs to explain why
It comes down to the club administration getting it right ,doing their homework & understanding the points system, only seems to be a problem when someone is caught or exploits the system. Why should it then be a group 6 problem ? I disagree, It's the Groups problem as they determine the player points, once the clubs get the list they then are told to dispute, In the Eagles case they did and were proven correct, so in fact it is the Groups problem to get it right before a list is sent out.why not ask the club"hey this player only dates back to 2007 is he a junior and can you show he is" more time and resource needs to be put in to get it correct, and given the Group manages the point system it's on them to get it correct. Save this unsavory incidents happening.
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Apr 18 2013, 08:43 AM
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On a side not has the Eagles players in question that were proven to be correct been reappointed??
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Apr 18 2013, 09:16 AM
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout NB. as to your question about where have they been for the last 5 years, it is totally irrelevant to this issue. This issue was always whether they are a 2 point players or not. The rule states that you are a 2 point player, if you have served the majority of your junior football from 4-16 years of age with one club and return to that club, no matter what level you have achieved after that or where you went, that you are a 2 point player.
I cant agree with you on this one Jetter, if Trimachi came back at 40 points and Narellan didn't play him, I would be pretty well pissed and if we lost by 2 points and he could of made the differance you would be livid not playing him.
Yes but the group & others in rugby league circles would be aware he came thru the group 6 system so would be aware of his affiliation to narellan. With easts jnrs ( &city) playing in a completely different jnr competition to established group 6 clubs not many associated with their clubs would know the origins of many jnrs coming into snrs for the Campbelltown clubs hence why the group asks for verification & proof. My son Matt came back to Eagles in 2011. He only played 2 years for Easts as a kid, but he didn't play League until he was 14. He therefore became a 2 point player (by the rules) as he spent the majority of his junior football at Easts (Well before 2007). My point here is that nobody then "that I know of" demanded proof in 2011 and if they did East's records were accepted.
What has changed in 2013 ??? If he had of kept playing for Easts he would still be a 2 point player as he had been accepted by the group for that year as a 2 point player, and the following year would of been the same. Would they now be asking for his proof.
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Apr 18 2013, 09:42 AM
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout NB. as to your question about where have they been for the last 5 years, it is totally irrelevant to this issue. This issue was always whether they are a 2 point players or not. The rule states that you are a 2 point player, if you have served the majority of your junior football from 4-16 years of age with one club and return to that club, no matter what level you have achieved after that or where you went, that you are a 2 point player.
I cant agree with you on this one Jetter, if Trimachi came back at 40 points and Narellan didn't play him, I would be pretty well pissed and if we lost by 2 points and he could of made the differance you would be livid not playing him.
Yes but the group & others in rugby league circles would be aware he came thru the group 6 system so would be aware of his affiliation to narellan. With easts jnrs ( &city) playing in a completely different jnr competition to established group 6 clubs not many associated with their clubs would know the origins of many jnrs coming into snrs for the Campbelltown clubs hence why the group asks for verification & proof.
My son Matt came back to Eagles in 2011. He only played 2 years for Easts as a kid, but he didn't play League until he was 14. He therefore became a 2 point player (by the rules) as he spent the majority of his junior football at Easts (Well before 2007). My point here is that nobody then "that I know of" demanded proof in 2011 and if they did East's records were accepted. What has changed in 2013 ??? If he had of kept playing for Easts he would still be a 2 point player as he had been accepted by the group for that year as a 2 point player, and the following year would of been the same. Would they now be asking for his proof. The clubs register books were not accepted this year for some reason???? Who knows why??? Seems a new rule was made up without the club knowing.
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Apr 18 2013, 09:42 AM
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout NB. as to your question about where have they been for the last 5 years, it is totally irrelevant to this issue. This issue was always whether they are a 2 point players or not. The rule states that you are a 2 point player, if you have served the majority of your junior football from 4-16 years of age with one club and return to that club, no matter what level you have achieved after that or where you went, that you are a 2 point player.
I cant agree with you on this one Jetter, if Trimachi came back at 40 points and Narellan didn't play him, I would be pretty well pissed and if we lost by 2 points and he could of made the differance you would be livid not playing him. As you know the Jets committee are on the ball and would have their points sorted way earlier than the day before kickoff
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Apr 18 2013, 09:50 AM
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- Ozzy
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- The Assistant
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- Jetter
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- Maverick
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout
OK Mavs, on that philosophy you commit a crime gambling you might get off, or don't commit the crime cause you know it is wrong??? In their mind they might have been right but as far as other clubs and Management were concerned they were still NOT 2 points players, and rather than not breaking the rules and standing players down till it got sorted, they made their own rules up and played them
 The points were on a piece of paper in front of them in black and white  Every other club didn't field players over their points but could have used that excuse too, and where would we be? Anarchy Anyway, just sets up for any interesting clash at Waminda when Oakdale and Eagles do play, and poor Camden will feel the wrath of Eagles this weekend I dare say
did every other club field correct  what if the other clubs points were wrong  I over heard a Picton player listed as 2 points is in fact a Eagles junior and played at Eagles last year, should make him a 25 point player
Fact is the points sent out were wrong and someone needs to explain why
It comes down to the club administration getting it right ,doing their homework & understanding the points system, only seems to be a problem when someone is caught or exploits the system. Why should it then be a group 6 problem ?
I disagree, It's the Groups problem as they determine the player points, once the clubs get the list they then are told to dispute, In the Eagles case they did and were proven correct, so in fact it is the Groups problem to get it right before a list is sent out.why not ask the club"hey this player only dates back to 2007 is he a junior and can you show he is" more time and resource needs to be put in to get it correct, and given the Group manages the point system it's on them to get it correct. Save this unsavory incidents happening. I would agree if the rest of the clubs had a similar issue with the points system also yet the other 9 clubs seemed to have complied. How have they been proven correct if the group are still reviewing the documentation ?
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Apr 18 2013, 10:51 AM
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Completely off the topic but as many may be aware I am involved with All Saints Liverpool now.
A massive loss to All Saints, but our front rower Jay Maseuli was yesterday signed by South Sydney. Congratulations Jay we wish you all the best. Just goes to show somebody is still out there watching.
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Apr 18 2013, 01:51 PM
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout
OK Mavs, on that philosophy you commit a crime gambling you might get off, or don't commit the crime cause you know it is wrong??? In their mind they might have been right but as far as other clubs and Management were concerned they were still NOT 2 points players, and rather than not breaking the rules and standing players down till it got sorted, they made their own rules up and played them
 The points were on a piece of paper in front of them in black and white  Every other club didn't field players over their points but could have used that excuse too, and where would we be? Anarchy Anyway, just sets up for any interesting clash at Waminda when Oakdale and Eagles do play, and poor Camden will feel the wrath of Eagles this weekend I dare say
did every other club field correct  what if the other clubs points were wrong  I over heard a Picton player listed as 2 points is in fact a Eagles junior and played at Eagles last year, should make him a 25 point player
Fact is the points sent out were wrong and someone needs to explain why
It comes down to the club administration getting it right ,doing their homework & understanding the points system, only seems to be a problem when someone is caught or exploits the system. Why should it then be a group 6 problem ?
I disagree, It's the Groups problem as they determine the player points, once the clubs get the list they then are told to dispute, In the Eagles case they did and were proven correct, so in fact it is the Groups problem to get it right before a list is sent out.why not ask the club"hey this player only dates back to 2007 is he a junior and can you show he is" more time and resource needs to be put in to get it correct, and given the Group manages the point system it's on them to get it correct. Save this unsavory incidents happening.
I would agree if the rest of the clubs had a similar issue with the points system also yet the other 9 clubs seemed to have complied. How have they been proven correct if the group are still reviewing the documentation ? Don't see the group making all the points up for the other teams either..does this mean for the future if they don't know a persons background they will just make that player a 40 point player then as questions later..then fine clubs for being over the point system..the eagles don't have any old nrl players like other teams..god forbid if they did..the group tried to deny baker for going there because the club was too dominant..seriously what is next..jus get rid of the whole system..
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Apr 18 2013, 02:02 PM
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- Fairy floss
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- Maverick
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout
OK Mavs, on that philosophy you commit a crime gambling you might get off, or don't commit the crime cause you know it is wrong??? In their mind they might have been right but as far as other clubs and Management were concerned they were still NOT 2 points players, and rather than not breaking the rules and standing players down till it got sorted, they made their own rules up and played them
 The points were on a piece of paper in front of them in black and white  Every other club didn't field players over their points but could have used that excuse too, and where would we be? Anarchy Anyway, just sets up for any interesting clash at Waminda when Oakdale and Eagles do play, and poor Camden will feel the wrath of Eagles this weekend I dare say
did every other club field correct  what if the other clubs points were wrong  I over heard a Picton player listed as 2 points is in fact a Eagles junior and played at Eagles last year, should make him a 25 point player
Fact is the points sent out were wrong and someone needs to explain why
It comes down to the club administration getting it right ,doing their homework & understanding the points system, only seems to be a problem when someone is caught or exploits the system. Why should it then be a group 6 problem ?
I disagree, It's the Groups problem as they determine the player points, once the clubs get the list they then are told to dispute, In the Eagles case they did and were proven correct, so in fact it is the Groups problem to get it right before a list is sent out.why not ask the club"hey this player only dates back to 2007 is he a junior and can you show he is" more time and resource needs to be put in to get it correct, and given the Group manages the point system it's on them to get it correct. Save this unsavory incidents happening.
I would agree if the rest of the clubs had a similar issue with the points system also yet the other 9 clubs seemed to have complied. How have they been proven correct if the group are still reviewing the documentation ?
Don't see the group making all the points up for the other teams either..does this mean for the future if they don't know a persons background they will just make that player a 40 point player then as questions later..then fine clubs for being over the point system..the eagles don't have any old nrl players like other teams..god forbid if they did..the group tried to deny baker for going there because the club was too dominant..seriously what is next..jus get rid of the whole system.. It's been handled poorly, more checks should have been done before the points were sent out the Friday afternoon before the 1st game Saturday was played. How is a club to dispute in a one day time frame??? As I said poorly managed from the onset.
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Apr 18 2013, 02:34 PM
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What baffles me is me (an average player) had a problem a while back with the points system where I went to a club and wanted to play for them as I was sick of rugby union and standing there getting cold. The club told me I wasn't worth using up so many points as my skills didn't warrant it which I totally understand and would have done to which brings me to the point why did G6 class me so highly when I'd played up until that point with a G6 club, Wests club, then in the combined comp G6/Wests and rugby union? Why did G6 want to classify me as higher points when I was returning to my junior club?
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Apr 18 2013, 05:09 PM
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It's a tough system with plenty of holes in it. We are going to have to leave out a couple of reserve grade players so that we comply. Silly thing is, our first grade carries less points than our reserve grade. Doesn't that mean our reggies should be better than firsts? At the end of the day, there have been mistakes made, but we all have to comply.
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Apr 18 2013, 05:11 PM
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Eagles clash with Group 6 Two wins but no points yet By Sean Cunningham http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/story/1435464/eagles-clash-with-group-6-two-wins-but-no-points-yet/?cs=1562THE Group 6 rugby league season has just started but a storm of controversy surrounds last year's premiers Campbelltown Eagles. The Eagles have been asked to provide documentation from Wests Suburbs District Junior Rugby League to support their claims of these players having played the majority of their junior footy with East Campbelltown to be classed as Campbelltown Eagles juniors." Yesterday, Hazelton confirmed Group 6 received the documents which the Eagles submitted on Monday afternoon. "I finally received the information yesterday afternoon now it's up the committee to review," he said. "The Eagles have been stood down for seven days because they refuse to pay a fine. "Their teams remain stood down until they pay their fines." The two Eagles wins were by large margins. How things stand: Stalemate — and the season is in turmoil in its early stages The player points tally has reared its ugly head again. The Eagles have won both of their opening games but they have been given no competition points. The Campbelltown Eagle clash against Oakdale that was scheduled to be played on Sunday was being talked about by many as the match of the season. But because the Eagles have been stood down for failing to pay a fine, the game was cancelled. The points tally is the equivalent of the NRL's salary cap. Group 6 accused the Eagles of exceeding its quota. The points system deems an overseas, NRL and NSWRL representative worth 40 points. Ron Massey Cup players and players signed from within Group 6 are worth 25 points. A representative player at region, division or group level is worth 20 points. A player from outside Group 6 is worth 10 points and a locally developed player and local players returning to their junior club is worth two points. Group 6 imposed a fine on the Eagles but the club is adamant administrators have got it wrong. Several players which Group 6 deemed to be 40-point players are in fact former Eagles' juniors and should be rated as two-point players, which would bring the tally below quota. The Eagles informed Group 6 of the mistake but were told Group 6 needed to see the documents. A spokesman for the Eagles said the club had provided the documents in question. Group 6 Country Rugby League executive officer Stephen Hazelton said Group 6 had clearly asked the Eagles for the information to come from Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League. Group 6 were keen to see the documents. "Until then we have to operate on the points allocated to these players looking at the clearance history we can see from 2007 onwards," Hazelton said. "As only they have the correct player history for these players prior to 2007 as Group 6 Country Rugby League does not use or accept affidavits.
This is really becoming a sad state of affairs, Group 6 get your bloody act together.
I think the camels back is broken over this one, a no confidence vote of the board will surely be put forward next GM over this points fiasco and add to it the 18s issues early this could spell the end for the current board Who is going to fill the board and run the comp?
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