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Apr 17 2013, 02:29 PM
Eagles clash with Group 6 Two wins but no points yet


By Sean Cunningham

http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/story/1435464/eagles-clash-with-group-6-two-wins-but-no-points-yet/?cs=1562THE

Group 6 rugby league season has just started but a storm of controversy surrounds last year's premiers Campbelltown Eagles.

The Eagles have been asked to provide documentation from Wests Suburbs District Junior Rugby League to support their claims of these players having played the majority of their junior footy with East Campbelltown to be classed as Campbelltown Eagles juniors."

Yesterday, Hazelton confirmed Group 6 received the documents which the Eagles submitted on Monday afternoon. "I finally received the information yesterday afternoon now it's up the committee to review," he said.

"The Eagles have been stood down for seven days because they refuse to pay a fine.

"Their teams remain stood down until they pay their fines."

The two Eagles wins were by large margins.

How things stand: Stalemate — and the season is in turmoil in its early stages


The player points tally has reared its ugly head again.

The Eagles have won both of their opening games but they have been given no competition points.

The Campbelltown Eagle clash against Oakdale that was scheduled to be played on Sunday was being talked about by many as the match of the season.

But because the Eagles have been stood down for failing to pay a fine, the game was cancelled.

The points tally is the equivalent of the NRL's salary cap.

Group 6 accused the Eagles of exceeding its quota.

The points system deems an overseas, NRL and NSWRL representative worth 40 points.

Ron Massey Cup players and players signed from within Group 6 are worth 25 points.

A representative player at region, division or group level is worth 20 points.

A player from outside Group 6 is worth 10 points and a locally developed player and local players returning to their junior club is worth two points.

Group 6 imposed a fine on the Eagles but the club is adamant administrators have got it wrong.

Several players which Group 6 deemed to be 40-point players are in fact former Eagles' juniors and should be rated as two-point players, which would bring the tally below quota.

The Eagles informed Group 6 of the mistake but were told Group 6 needed to see the documents.

A spokesman for the Eagles said the club had provided the documents in question.

Group 6 Country Rugby League executive officer Stephen Hazelton said Group 6 had clearly asked the Eagles for the information to come from Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League.

Group 6 were keen to see the documents.

"Until then we have to operate on the points allocated to these players looking at the clearance history we can see from 2007 onwards," Hazelton said.

"As only they have the correct player history for these players prior to 2007 as Group 6 Country Rugby League does not use or accept affidavits.



This is really becoming a sad state of affairs, Group 6 get your bloody act together. :angry:
I think the camels back is broken over this one, a no confidence vote of the board will surely be put forward next GM over this points fiasco and add to it the 18s issues early this could spell the end for the current board :hey:
Who is going to fill the board and run the comp?
What's David Gallop up to these days lol
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Apr 18 2013, 05:09 PM
It's a tough system with plenty of holes in it.
We are going to have to leave out a couple of reserve grade players so that we comply. Silly thing is, our first grade carries less points than our reserve grade. Doesn't that mean our reggies should be better than firsts?
At the end of the day, there have been mistakes made, but we all have to comply.
What will bester be at this year after a year a Camden
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How are your thirlmere roosters coming along kid rock?
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Apr 18 2013, 07:16 PM
tc6_11
Apr 18 2013, 05:09 PM
It's a tough system with plenty of holes in it.
We are going to have to leave out a couple of reserve grade players so that we comply. Silly thing is, our first grade carries less points than our reserve grade. Doesn't that mean our reggies should be better than firsts?
At the end of the day, there have been mistakes made, but we all have to comply.
What will bester be at this year after a year a Camden
If u mean points, he is 25
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Don't be surprised if Leo Dynevor pulls a jersey on and has a run this Saturday night or in next weeks game for The Oaks!

Was good to see Mick Pes come out of retirement for the 3rd time and get back into it at the weekend!
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What's the story up at The Oaks JGT? When will the Tigers be contenders again?
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Latest rule imposed on the Eagles is the Group is not recognizing them as playing in a Group run comp since 2010 meaning 3 or more year consecutive players are no longer 2 points and were changed today to 10 or 25??? I believe the combined comp eagles played in yet now a rule made up today says they didn't under Group 6 so players are only 2 years at eagles so can't be 2 point players??? Were will this end new rules on the run it's a disgrace. Do other clubs think the Eagles are being hard done by on this one??? Please tell.
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Latest rule imposed on the Eagles is the Group is not recognizing them as playing in a Group run comp since 2010 meaning 3 or more year consecutive players are no longer 2 points and were changed today to 10 or 25??? I believe the combined comp eagles played in yet now a rule made up today says they didn't under Group 6 so players are only 2 years at eagles so can't be 2 point players??? Were will this end new rules on the run it's a disgrace. Do other clubs think the Eagles are being hard done by on this one??? Please tell.
If I recall correctly in 2010 players from the wests clubs involved in the combined comp were deemed to be 2 point players if they played for their respective club the previous season (first year of the combined comp). My understanding is that the combined comp was being run by a joint wests/Group 6 board made up of certain individuals from both wests and Group 6. I recall that the Group 6 clubs at the time were up in arms about this at the time. However this rule was sanctioned by the Group 6 Management at the time (again no consultation with the Group 6 General Committee). I agree with you, if CE have been playing players who were deemed to be 2 point players in 2010, why would you think they were anything else unless you were told, so those players have been playing as 2 point players 2010, 2011 and 2012 and now the Group want to change the goal posts in 2013, this is getting incredibly ridiculous and it would seem that the Group are grasping at straws and are out to get rid of CE no matter what. The point system is now becoming a big joke. The way it has been policed in the past and the way it is being policed now. There are other clubs within Group 6 that have very questionable player points. What is done for one club has to be done for all clubs.

There needs to be a review of the points system and the rules, because some of the rules can be easily misunderstood with the wording used. If there are to be any fines imposed all clubs should be aware of what the fines are. There should be a schedule of penalties and clearly what those penalties are for. Clubs should be made aware of these well before the comp starts, so they are fully informed when they are signing a player up, not after the first round and then retrospectively, where is the fairness in that? The Group 6 General Committee should be involved in any decision making of the magnitude of the CE drama.

I could go on and on ............
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How does a rule like that get changed "mid' season ? Wouldn't the rule have to apply before the season begins and the money spent on players is worked out according to what the total points of the players are ? This really is becoming a legal landmine. I have always had the highest respect for the group, but my respect is wavering with things like this.

I always thought the idea was to make the comp as strong as possible. The better the competition the better you have to be to win it. By trying to take EC out of the equasion you are going to lower the level the other teams need to be at.
Edited by Maverick, Apr 19 2013, 08:52 AM.
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Latest rule imposed on the Eagles is the Group is not recognizing them as playing in a Group run comp since 2010 meaning 3 or more year consecutive players are no longer 2 points and were changed today to 10 or 25??? I believe the combined comp eagles played in yet now a rule made up today says they didn't under Group 6 so players are only 2 years at eagles so can't be 2 point players??? Were will this end new rules on the run it's a disgrace. Do other clubs think the Eagles are being hard done by on this one??? Please tell.
If I recall correctly in 2010 players from the wests clubs involved in the combined comp were deemed to be 2 point players if they played for their respective club the previous season (first year of the combined comp). My understanding is that the combined comp was being run by a joint wests/Group 6 board made up of certain individuals from both wests and Group 6. I recall that the Group 6 clubs at the time were up in arms about this at the time. However this rule was sanctioned by the Group 6 Management at the time (again no consultation with the Group 6 General Committee). I agree with you, if CE have been playing players who were deemed to be 2 point players in 2010, why would you think they were anything else unless you were told, so those players have been playing as 2 point players 2010, 2011 and 2012 and now the Group want to change the goal posts in 2013, this is getting incredibly ridiculous and it would seem that the Group are grasping at straws and are out to get rid of CE no matter what. The point system is now becoming a big joke. The way it has been policed in the past and the way it is being policed now. There are other clubs within Group 6 that have very questionable player points. What is done for one club has to be done for all clubs.

There needs to be a review of the points system and the rules, because some of the rules can be easily misunderstood with the wording used. If there are to be any fines imposed all clubs should be aware of what the fines are. There should be a schedule of penalties and clearly what those penalties are for. Clubs should be made aware of these well before the comp starts, so they are fully informed when they are signing a player up, not after the first round and then retrospectively, where is the fairness in that? The Group 6 General Committee should be involved in any decision making of the magnitude of the CE drama.

I could go on and on ............
Eagles have also had 3 players put up from 2 points to 40 points overnight, 1 a long serving junior(who has to prove he is now) :cstars: :cstars: The other 2 are effected by the 3 year new rule implemented on the Campbelltown clubs :letmesee: All thses tactics i must say i agree do show the Eagles are copping a hammering. All this stuff should have been brought out before a ball was kicked not on the run decisions :nono:
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How are your thirlmere roosters coming along kid rock?
Things are on the rise after a slow start! A few of the local boys came back this week witch will beef up our team and give us that depth! Mitta away will be a tough game for us this Saturday night but hopefully we will can grind it out and get the two points
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How are your thirlmere roosters coming along kid rock?
Things are on the rise after a slow start! A few of the local boys came back this week witch will beef up our team and give us that depth! Mitta away will be a tough game for us this Saturday night but hopefully we will can grind it out and get the two points
Without the trotters out that way this year,who have been your better players? Big shoes to fill
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Eagles by 40 this weekend..then the climb back up to the top..
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Latest rule imposed on the Eagles is the Group is not recognizing them as playing in a Group run comp since 2010 meaning 3 or more year consecutive players are no longer 2 points and were changed today to 10 or 25??? I believe the combined comp eagles played in yet now a rule made up today says they didn't under Group 6 so players are only 2 years at eagles so can't be 2 point players??? Were will this end new rules on the run it's a disgrace. Do other clubs think the Eagles are being hard done by on this one??? Please tell.
If I recall correctly in 2010 players from the wests clubs involved in the combined comp were deemed to be 2 point players if they played for their respective club the previous season (first year of the combined comp). My understanding is that the combined comp was being run by a joint wests/Group 6 board made up of certain individuals from both wests and Group 6. I recall that the Group 6 clubs at the time were up in arms about this at the time. However this rule was sanctioned by the Group 6 Management at the time (again no consultation with the Group 6 General Committee). I agree with you, if CE have been playing players who were deemed to be 2 point players in 2010, why would you think they were anything else unless you were told, so those players have been playing as 2 point players 2010, 2011 and 2012 and now the Group want to change the goal posts in 2013, this is getting incredibly ridiculous and it would seem that the Group are grasping at straws and are out to get rid of CE no matter what. The point system is now becoming a big joke. The way it has been policed in the past and the way it is being policed now. There are other clubs within Group 6 that have very questionable player points. What is done for one club has to be done for all clubs.

There needs to be a review of the points system and the rules, because some of the rules can be easily misunderstood with the wording used. If there are to be any fines imposed all clubs should be aware of what the fines are. There should be a schedule of penalties and clearly what those penalties are for. Clubs should be made aware of these well before the comp starts, so they are fully informed when they are signing a player up, not after the first round and then retrospectively, where is the fairness in that? The Group 6 General Committee should be involved in any decision making of the magnitude of the CE drama.

I could go on and on ............
Eagles have also had 3 players put up from 2 points to 40 points overnight, 1 a long serving junior(who has to prove he is now) :cstars: :cstars: The other 2 are effected by the 3 year new rule implemented on the Campbelltown clubs :letmesee: All thses tactics i must say i agree do show the Eagles are copping a hammering. All this stuff should have been brought out before a ball was kicked not on the run decisions :nono:
All the talk has been about the Eagles but how have the "new" changes effected the other Campbelltown team, the Roos? :letmesee:
Edited by lovinfooty, Apr 19 2013, 04:52 PM.
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Rumour has it Stuart Flanagan has signed with east to play reggies
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How are your thirlmere roosters coming along kid rock?
Things are on the rise after a slow start! A few of the local boys came back this week witch will beef up our team and give us that depth! Mitta away will be a tough game for us this Saturday night but hopefully we will can grind it out and get the two points
Without the trotters out that way this year,who have been your better players? Big shoes to fill
We got jay up front getting big minutes out of him, stolky in the centers who is a solid attacker an defender, bidmoor in back row with sharpy that are hard as nails and brazzos been killing it!! So we just need to gel abit moor and then I think we will be contenders again this year!
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Latest rule imposed on the Eagles is the Group is not recognizing them as playing in a Group run comp since 2010 meaning 3 or more year consecutive players are no longer 2 points and were changed today to 10 or 25??? I believe the combined comp eagles played in yet now a rule made up today says they didn't under Group 6 so players are only 2 years at eagles so can't be 2 point players??? Were will this end new rules on the run it's a disgrace. Do other clubs think the Eagles are being hard done by on this one??? Please tell.
If I recall correctly in 2010 players from the wests clubs involved in the combined comp were deemed to be 2 point players if they played for their respective club the previous season (first year of the combined comp). My understanding is that the combined comp was being run by a joint wests/Group 6 board made up of certain individuals from both wests and Group 6. I recall that the Group 6 clubs at the time were up in arms about this at the time. However this rule was sanctioned by the Group 6 Management at the time (again no consultation with the Group 6 General Committee). I agree with you, if CE have been playing players who were deemed to be 2 point players in 2010, why would you think they were anything else unless you were told, so those players have been playing as 2 point players 2010, 2011 and 2012 and now the Group want to change the goal posts in 2013, this is getting incredibly ridiculous and it would seem that the Group are grasping at straws and are out to get rid of CE no matter what. The point system is now becoming a big joke. The way it has been policed in the past and the way it is being policed now. There are other clubs within Group 6 that have very questionable player points. What is done for one club has to be done for all clubs.

There needs to be a review of the points system and the rules, because some of the rules can be easily misunderstood with the wording used. If there are to be any fines imposed all clubs should be aware of what the fines are. There should be a schedule of penalties and clearly what those penalties are for. Clubs should be made aware of these well before the comp starts, so they are fully informed when they are signing a player up, not after the first round and then retrospectively, where is the fairness in that? The Group 6 General Committee should be involved in any decision making of the magnitude of the CE drama.

I could go on and on ............
Very well written, this Group 6 Board has really lost the plot, this has became a circus and the more I hear, the more I'm in dissbelief. They have really made a meal of the point system for the 3rd year running, and this looks personal against the CE. Has CC been given the same rulling if this is true? I have lost all faith in the decission making that the Group 6 Board is making, time for a clean out!
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Sorry Jetter but IMO I cant agree. If a person goes to jail for a crime they did not commit, then they receive compensation. The Eagles always were in the right and always had the proof, but because the group wanted proof from Wests, It was always going to be slow. I believe all points should be reinstated and the Oakdale game rescheduled, to a mutually agreed time. It will be a sellout :cheers:
OK Mavs, on that philosophy you commit a crime gambling you might get off, or don't commit the crime cause you know it is wrong??? In their mind they might have been right but as far as other clubs and Management were concerned they were still NOT 2 points players, and rather than not breaking the rules and standing players down till it got sorted, they made their own rules up and played them :finger: The points were on a piece of paper in front of them in black and white :yawn: Every other club didn't field players over their points but could have used that excuse too, and where would we be? Anarchy :cheers:

Anyway, just sets up for any interesting clash at Waminda when Oakdale and Eagles do play, and poor Camden will feel the wrath of Eagles this weekend I dare say :yeah:
did every other club field correct :letmesee: what if the other clubs points were wrong :cstars: I over heard a Picton player listed as 2 points is in fact a Eagles junior and played at Eagles last year, should make him a 25 point player :finger:

Fact is the points sent out were wrong and someone needs to explain why :correct:
I'm sure every club has more than one player who has a points allocation which could be disputed.

As far as our club is concerned I assume you're referring to Jason Dreves. In which case there is absolutely no way we are listing him as 2 points. I don't know what the group considers him, but our club has allocated 25 points to him.

If you want to bring us into this points debacle go for it. Our committee takes extra care to NOT exceed the points quota every week.
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I hear Michael lett's quit the illawarra cutters and signed with picton, but was nearly signed by oakdale! Maybe the 'points' system got in there way!
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I hear Michael lett's quit the illawarra cutters and signed with picton, but was nearly signed by oakdale! Maybe the 'points' system got in there way!
You're hearing wrong. Peter Lett made a comeback to Oakdale this year, but has recently disappeared.
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