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I'm hearing Appin will field 1st ,res an 18s and have recruited well???
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Feb 6 2014, 04:10 PM
I heard that there are a few teams struggling for numbers. TC has openly said the Workers are looking for players for reggis, but I also heard that Thirlmere and Appin are struggling to field both grade sides. Any truth to those stories?

Also a side like the Dragons could play unattached regis instead of 2nd div if the draw allows??

Is that whats happening?
It's no secret we are struggling, situation is pretty dire.
We may have sacrificed 2 clubs to prop up a new one.
But good luck to them
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Tc6_11 what 2 clubs need to be sacrificed ? And which new club will be proped up? appin??
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Don't try putting words in my mouth. We have weakened 2 clubs to prop up a new one.
As I said though, good luck to them.
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Just trying to catch up with rumours and find out who will be in group 6 and who wil be competive.
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Feb 6 2014, 07:47 PM
Seems to be a bit of a dip happening at the moment in the Group's player cycle, possibly similar to what occurred in 2008. One generation retires & there is a transition year in which a few clubs struggle.
Unattached reggies has worked before in 60s & 70s. First Grade does take precedence, but the survival of Rugby League in the conpetition's towns and villages takes precedence above that.

I've been saying for a couple years now the group should look at having three separate divisions rather than 1st/reserves and 2nd division. It would take a lot of this stress out of this time of year. We're getting pretty close to the start of the season and look at the uncertainty revolving around Thirlmere, Oakdale, Appin, Moss Vale etc. On the other hand Picton are considering fielding a 2nd division on top of 1st and reggies, and I understand Kangaroos and possibly Camden and others could do the same.

If the only decision clubs had to come up with was how many teams they'll field things would be much simpler for them. The group could implement a 3-4 week pre-season comp where the main objective is to grade teams. If that was the case, based on current rumours we hear Oakdale could field only 1sts, Thirlmere only 2nds, Appin 1sts and/or 2nds, Moss Vale only 2nds or 3rds (depending on player numbers/quality etc).

This is the way soccer and cricket have operated for years and it works for them.
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Feb 7 2014, 07:08 AM
Orana87
Feb 6 2014, 07:47 PM
Seems to be a bit of a dip happening at the moment in the Group's player cycle, possibly similar to what occurred in 2008. One generation retires & there is a transition year in which a few clubs struggle.
Unattached reggies has worked before in 60s & 70s. First Grade does take precedence, but the survival of Rugby League in the conpetition's towns and villages takes precedence above that.

I've been saying for a couple years now the group should look at having three separate divisions rather than 1st/reserves and 2nd division. It would take a lot of this stress out of this time of year. We're getting pretty close to the start of the season and look at the uncertainty revolving around Thirlmere, Oakdale, Appin, Moss Vale etc. On the other hand Picton are considering fielding a 2nd division on top of 1st and reggies, and I understand Kangaroos and possibly Camden and others could do the same.

If the only decision clubs had to come up with was how many teams they'll field things would be much simpler for them. The group could implement a 3-4 week pre-season comp where the main objective is to grade teams. If that was the case, based on current rumours we hear Oakdale could field only 1sts, Thirlmere only 2nds, Appin 1sts and/or 2nds, Moss Vale only 2nds or 3rds (depending on player numbers/quality etc).

This is the way soccer and cricket have operated for years and it works for them.
I think the Group needs to look at the overall structure. All clubs go through ups and downs but from our experience at Mossy having 2 second division clubs in close proximity, being Robbo and Bundy puts a huge strain on the Dragons numbers. Bundy doesnt have a junior club and Robbo has brought their kids into Mossy over the last couple of years yet we have 3 lubs at senior. IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE LONG TERM!! and until the group realise this in stead of worrying about how many clubs they have in Group 6 overall, it will be the same for years to come.

the comp should be about quality. I would rather see 8 clubs whoever they were, that were regularly able to field quality 18's, Reggis & 1sts teams instead of this continual scrap for limited number of players being spread over 13-14 clubs.
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The Narellan Jets have announced a coup by signing former Kangaroo and Blues representative Matt King as a guest player.

The former Rabbitohs, and Storm flyer has been unveiled as the Jets' marquee signing.

Narellan coach Daryn Fallshaw secured the big name signing through his association with South Sydney assistant coach and Narellan resident Wayne Collins.

"We thought it'd be good for the competition and the club," Fallshaw said.

"We're getting him for as many games as we can."

King is expected to play in the match against Camden and said he wanted to give back to the game.

"Rugby league has been so good to me, so hopefully I get a game and we can build a bit of buzz around it," he said.

"I'm really looking forward to it ... I'm gonna be bloody rusty though.

"My lungs will know about it, that's for sure."

Matt King is proud of his country heritage and has plans to head home to help his junior club out.

"I'm a country boy through and through and I always wanted to give back to the community after I finished playing," he said.

"I would love to play for the Casino Cougars down the track, but I didn't want to be selfish, I'd like to spread the love around a bit."

Despite the possibility King's commitments with South Sydney and the media could prevent him playing as many games as he would like, Fallshaw wasn't perturbed.

"He'll be a 40 point (salary cap) player and that affects the team, but there aren't too many Matt Kings available out there," he said.

"The players are all looking forward to playing and learning off him.

"It shows that we can sign players like that and who knows maybe we can jag a sponsor out of it as well."
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Kirkham Oval set for Tigers v Panthers clash
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Team effort: Camden Rams rugby league club's Col Nolan and Camden Rams junior rugby league president Greg Copeland help get the ground ready. Mr Copeland says hundreds, if not thousands, of volunteer man hours have gone into the preparation of Kirkham Oval for Saturday night's game. Picture: Jonathan Ng

UNDREDS of man hours have gone into getting Kirkham Oval ready for the Wests Tigers trial match against Penrith Panthers on Saturday night.

From surface improvements and fencing, to new lighting, portable grandstands and an electric scoreboard — Kirkham Oval is ready for its big show.

And when fans turn up to cheer on the footy stars, it's not only the NRL they will be supporting. The Camden Rams Junior Rugby League club has made the game possible, so all proceeds will go back to the club.

Camden Rams president Greg Copeland said the process of getting Wests Tigers to Kirkham Oval started two years ago.

That's when the club started improving the ground's surface.

Then came the $100,000 in lighting upgrades — paid for by the state government, Camden Council, the junior club, Camden Senior Rugby League Football Club and Camden Old Boys.

And as of last week, new fencing has been installed and the ground is ready for the portable grandstand and electronic scoreboard.

To say Mr Copeland is excited about the trial is an understatement.

"It's a great opportunity for locals to see that we have NRL players in our own backyard and they can get up close and personal with them and still have a country feel to it," he said.

"It's going to be awesome."

Overall it's costing Camden Rams about $25,000 to put on the game, so the more people who turn up, the more likely it is that the club can recoup those costs and even make some money.

"Then that money goes back into the next lots of improvements for the ground," Mr Copeland said.

"At the end of the day it is the junior kids and the whole area [that benefits].

"Bring a picnic rug and have a good family afternoon and night out."









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As wests tigers are also having a trial in alice springs against the eels hopefully the camden trial match against penrith will have some notable players that will at least draw punters thru the gate and help recoup costs for the camden club .
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How many 1st grade teams in group 6 this season ? Any predictions for top 3 or 4 ??
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Feb 7 2014, 06:35 PM
How many 1st grade teams in group 6 this season ? Any predictions for top 3 or 4 ??
First grade mitta, jets, oakdale, oaks, Camden,roosters, city ,picton, appin.
Top 4
Mittagong same team as last yr haven't heard much but still a strong unit.
Picton signed a lot of speed out wide and decent forward pack will be tough.
Jets bought a new team see if they can gel together this yr.
Appin surprise package from the basement to the penthouse.
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Feb 7 2014, 10:29 PM
Gal
Feb 7 2014, 06:35 PM
How many 1st grade teams in group 6 this season ? Any predictions for top 3 or 4 ??
First grade mitta, jets, oakdale, oaks, Camden,roosters, city ,picton, appin.
Top 4
Mittagong same team as last yr haven't heard much but still a strong unit.
Picton signed a lot of speed out wide and decent forward pack will be tough.
Jets bought a new team see if they can gel together this yr.
Appin surprise package from the basement to the penthouse.
What is Group management doing about all this anyone? for Oakdale to win a reserve grade premiership last season and to not have a reserves team at all this season is terrable for the group.how does this effect your firsts TC? seems as though the group is going backwoods fast.Lets look at some facts Campbelltown City should have Firsts reserves 2nd Div and 18's they have the biggest pool to choose from with the Eagles now gone.Appin should have all 3 grades as well next closest to campbelltown but will money be there for this.Mount Annan the mind boggles to why they cant get it together plenty sponsors on ther doorsteps.Picton last year was saying Bargo would drain there cattle hasnt happened has it Foal? Warragamba been a 2nd Div club for neally a decade close to penrith and you would think plenty sponsorship opportunities.Mossvale no disrespect but Hindmarsh done them no favours last year and agree with you Disco Robertson Bundanoon and Mittagong all on top of each other long term the outlook is bleak.The Oaks have struggled for years but looks like they might be on the mend this year but hows them points looking?Narellan Points Points Points cashed up club.Thirlmere may have to re build again has taken a big blow but have tried to buy premierships of late and failed Heckenbergs Trotters ETC.
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Feb 7 2014, 10:29 PM
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Feb 7 2014, 06:35 PM
How many 1st grade teams in group 6 this season ? Any predictions for top 3 or 4 ??
First grade mitta, jets, oakdale, oaks, Camden,roosters, city ,picton, appin.
Top 4
Mittagong same team as last yr haven't heard much but still a strong unit.
Picton signed a lot of speed out wide and decent forward pack will be tough.
Jets bought a new team see if they can gel together this yr.
Appin surprise package from the basement to the penthouse.
What is Group management doing about all this anyone? for Oakdale to win a reserve grade premiership last season and to not have a reserves team at all this season is terrable for the group.how does this effect your firsts TC? seems as though the group is going backwoods fast.Lets look at some facts Campbelltown City should have Firsts reserves 2nd Div and 18's they have the biggest pool to choose from with the Eagles now gone.Appin should have all 3 grades as well next closest to campbelltown but will money be there for this.Mount Annan the mind boggles to why they cant get it together plenty sponsors on ther doorsteps.Picton last year was saying Bargo would drain there cattle hasnt happened has it Foal? Warragamba been a 2nd Div club for neally a decade close to penrith and you would think plenty sponsorship opportunities.Mossvale no disrespect but Hindmarsh done them no favours last year and agree with you Disco Robertson Bundanoon and Mittagong all on top of each other long term the outlook is bleak.The Oaks have struggled for years but looks like they might be on the mend this year but hows them points looking?Narellan Points Points Points cashed up club.Thirlmere may have to re build again has taken a big blow but have tried to buy premierships of late and failed Heckenbergs Trotters ETC.
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Lets look at some facts Campbelltown City should have Firsts reserves 2nd Div and 18's they have the biggest pool to choose from with the Eagles now gone.Appin should have all 3 grades as well next closest to campbelltown but will money be there for this.Mount Annan the mind boggles to why they cant get it together plenty sponsors on ther doorsteps.Picton last year was saying Bargo would drain there cattle hasnt happened has it Foal? Warragamba been a 2nd Div club for neally a decade close to penrith and you would think plenty sponsorship opportunities.Mossvale no disrespect but Hindmarsh done them no favours last year and agree with you Disco Robertson Bundanoon and Mittagong all on top of each other long term the outlook is bleak.The Oaks have struggled for years but looks like they might be on the mend this year but hows them points looking?Narellan Points Points Points cashed up club.Thirlmere may have to re build again has taken a big blow but have tried to buy premierships of late and failed Heckenbergs Trotters ETC.
Some fair discussion points here footydad that the Group needs to be proactive on.
In our case, I'll say that there isn't a great attraction for 1st Grade clubs to field 2nd Division. We did it in 2010-11. Through no fault of their own, this team is/ was at the bottom of the food chain in the club structure. Volunteers stretched even further, essential funds diverted from 1st Grade... And the fact of the matter is that if 1st Grade ain't winning, you won't have a club. And now the Group has this central venue structure for 2nd Division games, so conceivably your 2nd Division team never plays with the other teams in your club.
At City, we may have a large pool, but let me say most Campbelltown kids would rather play against us. Picton benefits enormously from Campbelltown and the pleasant drive along Menangle Road (as opposed to the worsening Narellan Road). Kids like Dengate, Matthews, Clarke etc have been raised to hate City. Josh Bishop, Warriors junior and ex- Oaks centre, was appalled when asked to come across.

IMO, referee numbers allowing, 2nd Division should be played home & away. It'd be great if these teams had 18Bs also playing before them.
Robertson vs Bargo in 18Bs & 2nd Division would be a good afternoon's CRL.
Foal, can't agree with the soccer style set-up. The attraction of Group 6 over other competitions is the vertical structure of game day... 18s clapping on reggies clapping on 1sts. Senior footy IMO is about the club, not individual teams. 1sts away @ Camden, Reserves away @ Moss Vale, 18s @ The Oaks... Not for me.
Rustynail, fair point- 8 'super clubs' may be better than what we have now. Probably a discussion the Group needs to have. But how do you kill footy in Warragamba, Robbo & the like? I've heard an idea that 2nd Division clubs have further restraint placed upon them including things like an over 28yo league, strict residential boundaries on young blokes & Group management intervening where a 2nd Division player is clearly too good for that comp. All worthwhile ideas. The lack of young people putting their hand up to run clubs is also pressing. Society has become too busy and volunteer hours decline all around. The Highlands needs two 1st Division 1st Grade clubs.

Warragamba is severely impacted by the $$$$$ available in the Penrith JL A Grade. Emu Plains, Brothers, St Mary's and St Clair are all very wealthy clubs, and pay accordingly, with $250 game minimums.

A combination of factors is now resulting in a major decline of available 1st Grade standard players across the Group. It may be time for Group Management to have a think tank on how this decline is best arrested.
Edited by Orana87, Feb 8 2014, 11:14 AM.
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Too many teams and not enough quality players
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Who's coaching city now? I know it's a bit soon, and probably a bit raw, but someone has to take over.
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Feb 8 2014, 08:30 PM
Who's coaching city now? I know it's a bit soon, and probably a bit raw, but someone has to take over.
I'm acting in an interim capacity until we appoint the new coach, which should be finalised in the next ten days. There are 4 candidates. Ex Narellan player & City junior Chris Noonan has been assisting me, after staying on after Jarvo's passing.

Congratulations to the Camden junior & senior clubs on tonight's NRL trial. Kirkham was in magnificent condition. The day ran well, bar Jimmy Smith!!
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"Picton last year was saying Bargo would drain there cattle hasnt happened has it Foal?"
Footydad, don't be calling me out unless you know what you're talking about. I said that at the end of 2011 that we were struggling because of the player drain to Bargo. I, along with 3 other Picton guys in their 30's had to make comebacks so we could finish the season in 2011. In 2012 I played 2 games, one of them was the last game of the year with Matt McPherson and Luke Davies just so we didn't have to forfeit.
Thankfully in 2013 our club sustained a playing roster solid enough to comfortably field 2 teams.
Now, we're good for numbers and we've covered the Bargo player drain. But before you talk do-do maybe do some research and see how many Bargo players, coaches and committee members came from Picton and how the rise of that club coincided with the fall of our reserve grade.
Thankfully there's been a resurgence at Picton due largely to the return of several key people that have revived the passion which has enticed lots of talented juniors to return.
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