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Orana87
Mar 4 2014, 08:47 PM
Gal
Mar 4 2014, 08:44 PM
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Big roll up at our training tonight.. A 2nd Division team is now an 80% chance.. Any persons interested in captain- coaching this grade can call Head Coach Paul Matthews on 0419 497 676.
Our decision to enter 2nd Division will rest a lot on whether or not the 3 grades can play on the same home game day...
I heard from the last group meeting that 2nd division would be on Saturday ? Don't know if it will remain like that!
Meeting tomorrow night Gal.. Will we see you there? There's starting to be a fair argument that all senior footy return to Saturdays IMO.
We're hoping that the 2nd division comp is structured differently this season. We've played a grand total of 6 games (plus one semi final) at our home ground in the past 2 seasons. Isn't one of the reasons you play footy to play in front of family and friends at your home ground?

Hope city can get a 2nd div. team up - we'd be supportive of playing against you guys (and Picton) before first and reserve grade fixtures on your match days!

And yes Saturday arvo senior footy would be fantastic - gives the players a chance to have a few drinks together on a Saturday night and hope with the soreness (and hangover) on Sunday instead of hobbling around at work every Monday!
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With sides going stand alone reserves how many teams in 2nd div?
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Mar 5 2014, 11:46 AM
With sides going stand alone reserves how many teams in 2nd div?
Thought the Group done away with stand alone reserve grade, why the change in stance

Appin would of kicked on if allowed few years back, rember moss vale where knocked back as well
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Gal
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Does anyone have a copy of the new draw that came out tonight?
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Orana87
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It's on our Facebook page.

Round 1:March 22nd/ 23rd
Narellan v Camden
Thirlmere v Picton
City v Appin

Warragamba vs The Oaks (Reserve Grade only)
Mittagong vs Oakdale (Reserve Grade only)

Clubs will not be able to 'stack' their reserve grade teams to play the 'standalone' clubs. The 1st Grade clubs will be ineligible to use their 'First XIII' from the week before in a standalone game.

Warragamba, Oakdale and at the moment Moss Vale are substituting for Appin's reserve grade, however Appin's delegates have confirmed the entry of their reserve grade team. Things will change in this mix then.

2nd Division draw to be confirmed: 7 teams ATM, Warragamba possible as a second team. Confirmed- Bulls, Mt Annan, Picton, Bargo, City, Bundanoon, Robertson.

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Mar 5 2014, 08:31 PM
It's on our Facebook page.

Round 1:March 22nd/ 23rd
Narellan v Camden
Thirlmere v Picton
City v Appin

Warragamba vs The Oaks (Reserve Grade only)
Mittagong vs Oakdale (Reserve Grade only)

Clubs will not be able to 'stack' their reserve grade teams to play the 'standalone' clubs. The 1st Grade clubs will be ineligible to use their 'First XIII' from the week before in a standalone game.

Warragamba, Oakdale and at the moment Moss Vale are substituting for Appin's reserve grade, however Appin's delegates have confirmed the entry of their reserve grade team. Things will change in this mix then.

2nd Division draw to be confirmed: 7 teams ATM, Warragamba possible as a second team. Confirmed- Bulls, Mt Annan, Picton, Bargo, City, Bundanoon, Robertson.

So two first grade teams each round will have a bye ?? Why wouldn't they just play against eachother
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reggieboy
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Footyfanatic14
Mar 5 2014, 10:58 PM
Orana87
Mar 5 2014, 08:31 PM
It's on our Facebook page.

Round 1:March 22nd/ 23rd
Narellan v Camden
Thirlmere v Picton
City v Appin

Warragamba vs The Oaks (Reserve Grade only)
Mittagong vs Oakdale (Reserve Grade only)

Clubs will not be able to 'stack' their reserve grade teams to play the 'standalone' clubs. The 1st Grade clubs will be ineligible to use their 'First XIII' from the week before in a standalone game.

Warragamba, Oakdale and at the moment Moss Vale are substituting for Appin's reserve grade, however Appin's delegates have confirmed the entry of their reserve grade team. Things will change in this mix then.

2nd Division draw to be confirmed: 7 teams ATM, Warragamba possible as a second team. Confirmed- Bulls, Mt Annan, Picton, Bargo, City, Bundanoon, Robertson.

So two first grade teams each round will have a bye ?? Why wouldn't they just play against eachother
I thought Group 6 was about 1st grade first and forth most, yet you have 2 1st grade clubs sitting out each week to compliment stand alone reserve grade clubs :cstars: :cstars:
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reggieboy
Mar 6 2014, 05:51 AM
Footyfanatic14
Mar 5 2014, 10:58 PM
Orana87
Mar 5 2014, 08:31 PM
It's on our Facebook page.

Round 1:March 22nd/ 23rd
Narellan v Camden
Thirlmere v Picton
City v Appin

Warragamba vs The Oaks (Reserve Grade only)
Mittagong vs Oakdale (Reserve Grade only)

Clubs will not be able to 'stack' their reserve grade teams to play the 'standalone' clubs. The 1st Grade clubs will be ineligible to use their 'First XIII' from the week before in a standalone game.

Warragamba, Oakdale and at the moment Moss Vale are substituting for Appin's reserve grade, however Appin's delegates have confirmed the entry of their reserve grade team. Things will change in this mix then.

2nd Division draw to be confirmed: 7 teams ATM, Warragamba possible as a second team. Confirmed- Bulls, Mt Annan, Picton, Bargo, City, Bundanoon, Robertson.

So two first grade teams each round will have a bye ?? Why wouldn't they just play against eachother
I thought Group 6 was about 1st grade first and forth most, yet you have 2 1st grade clubs sitting out each week to compliment stand alone reserve grade clubs :cstars: :cstars:
Yeah it's not ideal.
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Word Bargo bunnies aiming for 1st grade 2016 and also juniors? Picton wouldn't be happy surely. Can see a similar Oakdale v The Oaks feud brewing up there in the future
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Does anyone know if Oakdale & G6 have released the Oakdale players wanting to play with the Bargo Bunnies in 2nd division this year?
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I hearing they wont release players from grade to play in 2nd division ( pub comp as they call it)
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Fat ArSe
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Thanks Gal - bit harsh i think. These blokes just want to have a run, without too much seriousness. I know there is a lot more to it, but it doesn't look good from the sideline!
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Gal
Mar 6 2014, 02:02 PM
I hearing they wont release players from grade to play in 2nd division ( pub comp as they call it)
I find it disgraceful that a senior player over the age of 18 is restricted to do or play for who ever they want....
Correct me if I'm wrong - over the age of 18, you can vote, drink,smoke,drive, have a mortgage, get married, get divorsed, go fight a war overseas, have a punt at the tab, the list goes on... BUT as an adult you can NOT and WILL NOT be allowed to select who you play the sport of rugby league for.. Am I just a dumb front rower or is there something I am missing.. I am smart enough to know some of these rules are set aside to stop players from weakening clubs to strengthen others but sometimes mates wanna play with mates, players want to play under a certain coach SO WHAT.. Release the players to Bargo that are fielding 1 bloody team if your club is sooo good players won't be wanting or looking to leave.. Here the group is bleeding and struggling yet certain clubs want to stop progression of others, again maybe too may head knocks but it makes no sense..
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The players who are at bargo have been released by oakdale and have been for some time! It is solely the group 6 committee who is blocking their clearences. I agree, if they choose to play there then they should be allowed. Blocking this achieves nothing.
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Mar 6 2014, 07:46 AM
Word Bargo bunnies aiming for 1st grade 2016 and also juniors? Picton wouldn't be happy surely. Can see a similar Oakdale v The Oaks feud brewing up there in the future
Bargo comes into Thirlmeres junior territory, not Pictons.
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Orana87
Mar 5 2014, 08:31 PM
It's on our Facebook page.

Round 1:March 22nd/ 23rd
Narellan v Camden
Thirlmere v Picton
City v Appin

Warragamba vs The Oaks (Reserve Grade only)
Mittagong vs Oakdale (Reserve Grade only)

Clubs will not be able to 'stack' their reserve grade teams to play the 'standalone' clubs. The 1st Grade clubs will be ineligible to use their 'First XIII' from the week before in a standalone game.

Warragamba, Oakdale and at the moment Moss Vale are substituting for Appin's reserve grade, however Appin's delegates have confirmed the entry of their reserve grade team. Things will change in this mix then.

2nd Division draw to be confirmed: 7 teams ATM, Warragamba possible as a second team. Confirmed- Bulls, Mt Annan, Picton, Bargo, City, Bundanoon, Robertson.

Thinking more about this whole, you can't play reserves against a stand alone club if you played first grade the week before. I just hope there's some common sense applied to it.
What happens if, hypothetically, our reserve grade hooker is called up to first grade against Camden one week to cover for the 1st grade hooker who's injured? That may be the only game of a grade he plays all year, but the following week we have Oakdale, so we can't use him because they're a stand alone Reggie's team??
I just worry that this is one of those motions that has been voted on and passed without the full consequences really being considered. Hope I'm wrong.
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foal
Mar 6 2014, 08:41 PM
reggieboy
Mar 6 2014, 07:46 AM
Word Bargo bunnies aiming for 1st grade 2016 and also juniors? Picton wouldn't be happy surely. Can see a similar Oakdale v The Oaks feud brewing up there in the future
Bargo comes into Thirlmeres junior territory, not Pictons.
This junior territory stuff is a joke as well, I've just signed my boys at mittagong, they are a great club - I coach there, I play there... I would not have been told by anyone my boys had to play elsewhere because of a post code, life is busy enough and I myself want to control my family life.. The big picture is in junior and seniors if we continue upsetting people and forcing them away there will be no competion in the area within a few years..
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foal
Mar 6 2014, 08:53 PM
Orana87
Mar 5 2014, 08:31 PM
It's on our Facebook page.

Round 1:March 22nd/ 23rd
Narellan v Camden
Thirlmere v Picton
City v Appin

Warragamba vs The Oaks (Reserve Grade only)
Mittagong vs Oakdale (Reserve Grade only)

Clubs will not be able to 'stack' their reserve grade teams to play the 'standalone' clubs. The 1st Grade clubs will be ineligible to use their 'First XIII' from the week before in a standalone game.

Warragamba, Oakdale and at the moment Moss Vale are substituting for Appin's reserve grade, however Appin's delegates have confirmed the entry of their reserve grade team. Things will change in this mix then.

2nd Division draw to be confirmed: 7 teams ATM, Warragamba possible as a second team. Confirmed- Bulls, Mt Annan, Picton, Bargo, City, Bundanoon, Robertson.

Thinking more about this whole, you can't play reserves against a stand alone club if you played first grade the week before. I just hope there's some common sense applied to it.
What happens if, hypothetically, our reserve grade hooker is called up to first grade against Camden one week to cover for the 1st grade hooker who's injured? That may be the only game of a grade he plays all year, but the following week we have Oakdale, so we can't use him because they're a stand alone Reggie's team??
I just worry that this is one of those motions that has been voted on and passed without the full consequences really being considered. Hope I'm wrong.
I proposed the motion foal. Unfortunately for this situation, IMO it has to be black and white (pardon the pun). Those of us who respect the integrity of the competitions may be burnt to a degree with some of the grey areas as you propose, but planning for every contingency is just not feasible. It's far more palatable than the alternative of seeing some unscrupulous official drop ten 1st graders just to 'give it' to another club. Oakdale, Warragamba & Moss Vale's purpose in reserve grade is to return to/ enter 1st Grade ASAP.. Sure we have a responsibility to do the best by our clubs as officials, but we also have to view that the current status quo of 8 top grade clubs could be either 6 or 10 in 2015/16, depending upon what decisions we support now. The two byes is far from ideal, but so is a 6 team comp.
Even as it stands, some club working within an nth degree of the laws could well bench some of their best players 14-17, with a view to the following week.

I remember my Dad explaining once the differences between the Campbelltown- Liverpool Junior league & Group 6... Campbelltown- Liverpool had a reserve grade mentality (ie as soon as your 1st grade is gone, stack the reggies... Or to hell with it, don't even enter an A Grade) whereas in G6, reserve grade premiers were only the '11th best team', "no one remembers.. Etc".
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Orana87
Mar 6 2014, 09:53 PM
foal
Mar 6 2014, 08:53 PM
Orana87
Mar 5 2014, 08:31 PM
It's on our Facebook page.

Round 1:March 22nd/ 23rd
Narellan v Camden
Thirlmere v Picton
City v Appin

Warragamba vs The Oaks (Reserve Grade only)
Mittagong vs Oakdale (Reserve Grade only)

Clubs will not be able to 'stack' their reserve grade teams to play the 'standalone' clubs. The 1st Grade clubs will be ineligible to use their 'First XIII' from the week before in a standalone game.

Warragamba, Oakdale and at the moment Moss Vale are substituting for Appin's reserve grade, however Appin's delegates have confirmed the entry of their reserve grade team. Things will change in this mix then.

2nd Division draw to be confirmed: 7 teams ATM, Warragamba possible as a second team. Confirmed- Bulls, Mt Annan, Picton, Bargo, City, Bundanoon, Robertson.

Thinking more about this whole, you can't play reserves against a stand alone club if you played first grade the week before. I just hope there's some common sense applied to it.
What happens if, hypothetically, our reserve grade hooker is called up to first grade against Camden one week to cover for the 1st grade hooker who's injured? That may be the only game of a grade he plays all year, but the following week we have Oakdale, so we can't use him because they're a stand alone Reggie's team??
I just worry that this is one of those motions that has been voted on and passed without the full consequences really being considered. Hope I'm wrong.
I proposed the motion foal. Unfortunately for this situation, IMO it has to be black and white (pardon the pun). Those of us who respect the integrity of the competitions may be burnt to a degree with some of the grey areas as you propose, but planning for every contingency is just not feasible. It's far more palatable than the alternative of seeing some unscrupulous official drop ten 1st graders just to 'give it' to another club. Oakdale, Warragamba & Moss Vale's purpose in reserve grade is to return to/ enter 1st Grade ASAP.. Sure we have a responsibility to do the best by our clubs as officials, but we also have to view that the current status quo of 8 top grade clubs could be either 6 or 10 in 2015/16, depending upon what decisions we support now. The two byes is far from ideal, but so is a 6 team comp.
Even as it stands, some club working within an nth degree of the laws could well bench some of their best players 14-17, with a view to the following week.

I remember my Dad explaining once the differences between the Campbelltown- Liverpool Junior league & Group 6... Campbelltown- Liverpool had a reserve grade mentality (ie as soon as your 1st grade is gone, stack the reggies... Or to hell with it, don't even enter an A Grade) whereas in G6, reserve grade premiers were only the '11th best team', "no one remembers.. Etc".
Yeah I see your point. I just don't think a rule like that is necessary, because of the mentality in Group 6 that you mentioned. I really can't imagine any club wanting to stack Reggie's. What's in it for them if they do? I know for certain that the coaches at Picton wouldn't dare risk injury to a genuine first grader just to prop up reserve grade for one week. As you said, it's about 1st grade first and foremost.
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I should clarify my remarks.. No Campbelltown clubs were of this mindset 1984- 91.. Liverpool clubs like Busby, EVU & Ashcroft were notorious for 'stacking' reggies.
Liverpool City were a very strong U/16s- A Grade club. You wouldn't have seen them stack reserves. Ingleburn Bulldogs & Campbelltown Warriors were very powerful 1985- 1991, & it would've been interesting had their seniors been allowed to continue in G6, given their local success. Warriors entered G6 @ Appin in 1992, and by 1994 contested all 3 Grades GFs.
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