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Christian forums are nuts
Topic Started: Jul 17 2010, 06:01 AM (228 Views)
Post #1 Jul 17 2010, 06:01 AM The Comedian
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So its early in the morning im bored waiting for something to arrive so for a random reason i start looking at some christian forums and i am shocked these people are crazy.

This is an example http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=36354&st=0

Saying a fire was the work of satan, and thanking god for putting out the fire erm i think they should be thanking the fire fighters.

I just find it insane people would follow a belief as a 100% fact with no proof, and some of the things they come out with are just stupid like studying the stars is evil, as in science.

Also removing fear with love http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/12210-how-do-we-overcome-fear/

Yep i have love in my heart but i have no fear of this lion which is about to rip me apart :Frantic:

Also ive come across this alot that we live on the fallen earth and we are all living in sin till world ends there is alot more i could say but to me the more i read it just sounds like bullshit.

And this final thing is no offence to any one of the faith but i find praying to be a pointless act, it is actions by people that make a difference, like you could pray for those in Africa which would do nothing or you could donate money which would do something to help.

Im not sure exactly why i made this but it is something that was on my mind im just finding the whole christian faith to be crazy that people blindly follow it same goes for other religions. To me it seems like people are willing to put everything they have into this 'super natural force' instead of thinking for themselves and their own actions on how to live their lives without the chain of religion around their neck.

If god does exist what kind of god is he really? he watches on as people slowly die in pain from starvation or illness and such. Allowing millions to die with the promise of believe and accept me and you shall be saved, its kind of like seeing someone stabbed on the street and telling them you will save them by phoning for an ambulance if they give you some money.

Thats all ive got, it is one of those things the more you break it down the more you see it for what it really is.
Edited by The Comedian, Jul 17 2010, 06:02 AM.
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Post #2 Jul 17 2010, 07:15 AM Redz
It's hard to form a solid opinion on this kinda stuff because you'll either piss off a bunch of Christians or make the other bunch happy. One of the biggest things that confuses me about Christianity is the different denominations. Christians claim to have the truth, so then why are you guys divide amongst yourselves? From the people I've seen, some believe in an ultra-controlling God and others believe in a loving and very forgiving one. And trust me, those people stretch the "forgiven" a looong way it's just astonishing.

In the Bible, it talks about Jesus telling people how to 'care for their slaves'. Remember though, this was in a way different era. That alone makes me think that God isn't as bad as most people make him out to be and we ALL(including Christians) have the wrong understanding of God. That is of course, if you personally believe in the Bible.

But yeah I don't know, I'm with you Comedian I'm also in the hours of the morning, bored and just rambled on here haha.
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Post #3 Jul 17 2010, 01:22 PM Faro
You know where I stand Matt. I believe in God 100% even with no real, undeniable proof. It's called faith.

Personally.. I don't care much about denominations, or religion. I read the Bible, and I believe every word. I pray and I consider myself a Christian. But I wouldn't call myself religious.. I don't even go to church. It's sort of the same thing I said about college. I don't go to school, but I think education is very important. There are just other ways to get educated.
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Post #4 Jul 17 2010, 01:51 PM The Comedian
The Bible is something which cant be taken as fact due to alot of errors it holds within and also some stuff that just isnt logical 'noahs ark for instance'.
The book comes from a time when people believed the world to be flat that, ilness was caused by evil spirits and the understanding of the world was very limited to what it is today.
It also contains alot of contradictions that dont add up, i believe myself to be open minded and a creative thinker and even from a young age the christian faith didn't add up to me, like when i mentioned well what about dinosaurs which i would get responses that would not answer the question.

Plus ive found it to be the case with myself and others than when thinking outside of the bible and explaining to a relative the result is a backlash.

To me i just find it hard to think of reasons as to why i would accept religion it really doesnt add up to me, ive had the response of well you will go to hell which is just fear mongering.

With faith in a religion i wonder what the point is in putting faith into something that is supernatural, when that belief could be put into ones self to better serve them.
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Post #5 Jul 17 2010, 03:13 PM Faro
I used to doubt the intelligence of people in biblical times. They seemed like ignorant cavemen, amazed by fire, and wheels. But then I learned that that's not true at all. So what if they thought the earth was flat. I would too if I had never been told different. Just because they didn't have the proper equipment to discover that the earth was actually round.. doesn't mean they where ignorant about things that actually matter. I personally think the people who wrote the Bible where exceedingly wiser than anyone alive today. Read Proverbs, and tell me that that knowledge isn't much more valuable than the understanding that the world is flat.

As for Dinosaurs.. I have wondered about that my whole life. But then I realized that the Bible doesn't tell us everything. Just because it didn't mention dinosaurs doesn't mean it's all a lie.
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Post #6 Jul 17 2010, 03:34 PM The Comedian
It sort of debunks the whole adam and eve stuff and to think we all came from those two, plus its been found that all life began in Africa and what is in the bible doesnt really reflect that notion. With the Bible people take some aspects as true etc and not accepting the other stuff, but is that possible and still believing in the same faith it would need to be all fact to stand on its own two feet. Simply because if some things can be ruled out what makes any of the other stuff right?

I believe the bible could be taken as purely a guide and not something to take literally.

Also take into account there was a time when christianity did not exist, there were tribal gods egyptian gods roman gods greeky gods etc, and even now places within the amazon tribes who have had little contact with the outside world believe in their own gods.

Christianity is purely a needle in a haystack.
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Post #7 Jul 17 2010, 04:43 PM Faro
I think it's sad when folks only believe in proven facts. I don't need proof to know there are oceans on earth, full of undiscovered creatures. I just know there is. Men are not as smart as they think they are. Look at all we have learned since the Bible was written. About the earth, the human body, outer space. Stuff that people thought was impossible 2000 of years ago. Now imagine how many things, that we think impossible now, will be proven facts in 2000 years? See what I mean? Just because something seems impossible.. doesn't mean it is.
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Post #8 Jul 17 2010, 05:00 PM The Comedian
Well oceans creatures etc are facts because you can go to those locations and see it for yourself, as for god no one on earth knows he exists nor is their any proof one religion is right over anouther throughout human history its likely there has been millions of different religions.

It might even come to pass the religion becomes the past in 2000 years and that is to say we as a human race are still around by then.

Thats the thing about science etc it is a process of always learning, religion on more than one occasion has been against the the advancement of knowledge throughout human history purely because it throws a spanner in the works of religion. I just prefer to believe in stuff such as gravity rather than going god did it, simply it is the easy way out.
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Post #9 Jul 17 2010, 07:25 PM Faro
Haha were just gonna have to agree to disagree. lol everyone else has already left this conversation and we have went back and forth all day. I think it's safe to say we both believe very different things. And that's fine. I don't think either of us are going to be able to change the others mind lol.
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Post #10 Jul 17 2010, 11:17 PM Redz
My philosophical view on all this is that we just had to come from a superior God man. Humans can spend a million years studying the earth and throwing around all the science they can, but we will still not know SOLID FACTS(with 0% flaws) for half of what this life and world is.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm not anti-science at all. I read it and understand it and think "oh really? that's pretty neat" but when I sit out at night and stare up at the night sky I just think "man, someone just had to have created all this.." no way we just came from nothing. As unperfect as we are, we're still too perfect to have just randomly appeared and evolved.

So yeah, from a philosophical point of view I do believe in God. But a from religious view? I don't know. I currently have no real clue on that stuff. I'd like to know how Faro can go on about without being heckled withing his own Christian peers. To me it feels like I'm trying to please the people more than the actual God. Is watching wrestling a sin? "YES! STOP NOW!; No! it's ok, God still loves you" Can I have a smoke every now and then? "OF COURSE NOT!; It's ok just in moderation, God still <3 u" That kinda stuff is what really gets me and even while forming your own opinions on that kind of subjects, you still feel some guilt. Well at least me. Faro, I'd like your insight on this if you don't mind.
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