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| Duke Serkol | Jul 5 2005, 11:37 PM Post #46 |
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Where'd that Princess go?
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Oh I forgot to say that I hate how in both movies (but especially in this one because for the other one that was more or less a must) they have to say that it was God's wisdom that exterminated the Martians with bacteria. That's almost like blaming him for our darn wars. The Martians are his children too... *sobs* (feel free to determine by yourselves how much of this post actually reflects my opinions ^_^) |
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| 2awesome4apossum | Jul 5 2005, 11:41 PM Post #47 |
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Yeah! The martians are his children too! WTF? :lol: But then again, the aliens were being "wicked", so of course God is going to smite them... >_> :lol:
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| Duke Serkol | Jul 5 2005, 11:47 PM Post #48 |
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That's true, but we can't tell if that was the idea when he put the bacteria on earth. It would be really funny if God was a little busy during the events of the movie turned around and *Earth full of decomposing martians* "dammit not again >_<" Oh and I'd like someone to explain exactly from how far they were "beaming down" since there was no mothership of sorts in obrit (but there will be in thr sequel!) |
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| coinilius | Jul 6 2005, 01:58 AM Post #49 |
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Isn't the 'God in his infinite wisdom' line from the novel? It's been awhile since I read it... It's in the Radio Drama as well, which came before both these movies ![]() I didn't get the whole Spoiler: click to toggle thing either... I mean, why Spoiler: click to toggle I don't know if the invocation of God's name is really ment to imply that God placed the microbes on Eareth just to kill invading Martians - the rest of the quote goes on about how Humanity has earned there right to survive on this world through their own ability to overcome the bacteria. Humankind is a prt of the planet, just like the microbes. The Martians are not, and it is the planet which eventually rejects them. Perhaps if the tables were turned, mankind would be simarlarly repelled by Martian conditions that we're not adapted to? Here's the book quote; Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle It talks a lot about how natural selection, something that H. G. Wells was a proponent of, is what ultimately repels the invasion - he was also a Darwinian athiest, so it's interesting to note that he invokes the name of God, but refers to Humanities ability to survive on earth in evolutionary terms. |
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"You must be talking about Heaven... or the moon." "It's a dog eat dog world... and there's not enough dog to go around."
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| Duke Serkol | Jul 6 2005, 02:10 AM Post #50 |
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But my point remains valid. It seems stupid to me to go and say "God gave us bacteria to protect us from the Martians" (that's what it sounds like to me, even in the book) how would we know if that's what he gave us bacteria for? Perhaps that's just a fortunate advantage. |
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| coinilius | Jul 6 2005, 02:41 AM Post #51 |
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Well, the book is told from the perpective of a single person - it's his opinion that God gave us bacteria to defeat the Martians, not necessarily true, but I digress ![]() While I agree, it can be read as 'God's plan' that the Martians are defeated, the natural selection explanation that acccompanies it works regardless of God's involvement. I think the 'God' that H. G. Wells was invoking was, rather than the Judeo-Christian example, more of a deistic God of Nature (deism was another area that Wells had phases of interest in, as well as Ateism). In the novel, God is brought in at the end, in a section that deals far more with evolutionary aspects than divine ones. The movies, though, are indeed another kettle of fish entirely, especially the 1950's one which foregrounds God ina way that the novel certainly does not - the ending of this movie is even set in a church, with the people praying for deliverance from the Martians.. which is then neatly delivered by the bacteria. The Church the principle characters had retreated to is seen as one of the only ones left standing, and the last shot is, I believe, of a cross with the sun shining behind it (it's been awhile since I saw the movie - I did an essay on it at Uni once). The new movie retreats back to the old 'God in his infinite wisdom' being left strictly at the end, with out much to really back it up thematically or narratively. It doesn't even have the detailed darwinistic side of things that the novel had, and really seems more like it was just included becuase it's a famous line from the novel and because it neatly bookends the opening (after all, it was the very 'transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water' that killed the Martians in the end). EDIT: Long story short - yes, your idea is still valid, although I don't really think it applies to the novel. and the new movie didn't really bother to explore it as a concept the way the old one did. |
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"You must be talking about Heaven... or the moon." "It's a dog eat dog world... and there's not enough dog to go around."
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| Duke Serkol | Jul 6 2005, 02:57 AM Post #52 |
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That's right! When the remake begun and the first tripod cut one in half while emerging, I cracked up and said (trying a Martian impression) "Churches aren't going to save you this time, bitches!" I guess you're right about the novel. But I can still whine ![]() Not that the closing line was what killed it for me anyway. |
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| coinilius | Jul 6 2005, 03:14 AM Post #53 |
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Heh, I thought something like that too, with the church (is it just me, or did it even looka little like the church from the previous movie?) Frankly, I was somewhat suprised that the new movie didn't try and make it so that the humans were more active in defeating the aliens (was anyone else annoyed that they didn't mention Martians or Mars?), with them deliberately infecting them with the virus or something, but I suppose the story isn't set up to include that sort of grand standing heroics (fortunately - I wasn't looking forward to another 'upload the virus to the mothership' type endings). |
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"You must be talking about Heaven... or the moon." "It's a dog eat dog world... and there's not enough dog to go around."
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| Duke Serkol | Jul 6 2005, 03:24 AM Post #54 |
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Yeah, it definitely did! Dammit, not you too! I really doubt most of the audience for a movie (even a remake such as this) would appreciate any mention of martians nowadays. It's just about the same as saying "They are aliens from the moon, we never saw them because we are blind." I hated how the movie did not focus on trying to fight the martians. I realize that it's really hard to make that kind of scene when they have invincible barriers, but the old movie pulled it off, ID4 pulled it off... could Spielberg really not do it too? My father actually had an interesting idea: the red fungus could be used to develop a virus (then spread it in the atmosphere) Personally I would have liked that... as long as there were no strange antics to infect the aliens. Oh and I liked the part with the granades... sorta. But I really wish one of the tripods had stayed behind, that escaping the probe they lured the aliens out (not more than two) and then killed them so they could call in the military (Somehow. By luck. Gimme a break here) and deliver it to them (not pilot it themselves :lol:) You know also what I would have liked? If they tried nuking them and it actually worked. Then the big wheels would have had to decide whether to leave them the planet or take it down with us. That could have been interesting (then they could come up with the virus) Maybe we should blame ID4 for using up all the ideas :lol: |
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| coinilius | Jul 6 2005, 03:53 AM Post #55 |
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That would have made for an interesting conundrum - having the humans slash and burn the planet, so that the aliens couldn't have it. I did like how the Tripods had the forcefields like the ships from the fifties movie (they tried nuking them in that movie). Has anyone read The Leauge of Extoridany Gentlemen vol 2? It has a take on the War of the Worlds in which the peole actively defeat the aliens using a man made virus (and with the help of Dr Moreau to boot :P). I can understand the reasoning behind why they didn't refer to them as being Martians, but at the same time - War of the Worlds is one of those things that have entered the popular imagination; even though they didn't reference Mars, most people still refer to the new movie as having Martians in it. Heh, I had visions of Tom Cruise piloting a Tripod and using it to attack other Martian vehincles, but thankfully that didn't happen. Still, imagine the consequences of this movie - the world governments will be dissecting those aliens and taking their technology apart to find out how it works... Also, isn't it strange that the Tripods forcefields seem to be linked to the life-functions of the aliens piloting them? I mean, wouldn't you normally think that a forcefield would be a purely technological accomplishment, meaning that when the aliens were dying, their shields should have just stayed up regardless? Your dad was onto something with the idea of using the red weed as a means of developing a virus to use against the aliens... |
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| Duke Serkol | Jul 6 2005, 02:46 PM Post #56 |
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Yes, not bringing back the shields would have been chickening out (then again so is not showing them for most of the movie) And yeah I know they did try nuking them in the original, it was actually really funny how they watched the explosion from a relative short distance without puking up their organs :lol: They made a "book sequel"? Or was the movie originally a book? I do call them martians too, but I'm still glad they didn't in the movie (but I could take it if some bum in it did, as long as they were not actually shown coming from Mars or were said to by several people and/or scientists) Yeah, I thought about that for ID4 too... there's a lot of sequelage material wasted there.
That's obviously because martian technology is powered by cynetic energy (the martians are really good with pedals...) |
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| coinilius | Jul 7 2005, 03:28 AM Post #57 |
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Yeah, that's the fifties for you.. ![]() Leauge of etc etc was a comic book series before the movie, and much, much, much better... it's an award winning mature audiences series filled with literay references. Nothing like the travisty that was the 'LXG' movie <_< I would have been happy if some crazy guy or something did just say 'they're from Mars' and it was never given as an official place of origin... especially since the movie is just through the eyes of Tom Cruise and his family and not big on the 'technical' details of the invasion anyway.
:lol: That's classic! |
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| Duke Serkol | Jul 7 2005, 03:46 AM Post #58 |
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Yeah! Ah, I see. That could have been pretty nice. Isn't it?
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| Duke Serkol | Nov 7 2005, 04:40 PM Post #59 |
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I'm sure everybody here remembers the Backstroke from the West. Well guess what? Chinese pirates got down and dirty with War of the Worlds too! The results aren't as hilarious, but I thought this shot was just the perfect way to illustrate what the starring character is like and why the movie sucked: http://static.flickr.com/29/46813530_c1a4eb3235.jpg?v=0 |
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| coinilius | Nov 8 2005, 03:26 AM Post #60 |
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That seems like something Tom Cruise would say I love the way he's smiling while he says that as well, perfectly casual
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