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Watergate graphics Alternative
Topic Started: Sep 27 2006, 08:35 AM (330 Views)
BeeRad277
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I decided to make some mockups of the watergate assuming that there were only seven junk tiles available since thats how many make up the watergate.

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In the top 2 I came up with the idea of making the watergate broken. It takes exactly seven tiles to do that. You may be thinking, well if the watergate is broken then there would be much more water in the dungeon. I thought about that so if its something that bothers some of you I added a drain that would require one tile. Another way to use seven tiles would be the bottom watergate, but in order to do that I had to make it very plane. I also added the side water tiles to the water. Duke, I'm guessing the reason you didn't add those was because it would make the bottom look much higher than where there is no water. Look at it this way. When your looking at the bottom of a 10 ft deep pool, it doesn't look nearly as deep as it really is because the water magnifies it. Well, in my opinion, with the watergate right next to the water, thats how it looks.

Anyway, I just thought I'd give you some other options since the watergate looks really glitchy due to the lack of tiles(if a lack of tiles is the case).
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Euclid
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I wouldn't even bother doing this considering the game has already hardcoded all the 16x16 tiles for you (no a single space, though we can pick out some unused tiles, ie duplicates), changing the gfx of the existing watergate tiles will just mess up other gfx.
Yayyyy
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Garrett
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Can't you overwrite the ALttP tiles, though?

I know the ALttP desert palace entrance disc puzzle thing is still in the game (I found it when I ultra-glitched the game), so couldn't you use those tiles?
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Duke Serkol
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Like I said before, the gate is not even supposed to be there (or any water at all). I put it in as a "nostalgia bonus" and because it's the freaking Water Shrine (even the mole calls it that) whose main purpose is to keep the water in (at first I was going to have water flow all the way without a gate, but then I realized the full pond above would make no sense).

Considering that fact (that those were supposed to be regular squared rooms with nothing special) I'm pretty happy at how they turned out (just wish I could have put some distance between the thick and thin barriers but it was not possible).

And the reason I did not use water borders is because in ALttP they were not there (although the water was transparent, something which sadly could not be replicated).
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BeeRad277
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Yeah I didn't think it could be made transparent. Personally, I was hoping it would be a water level like level 2 in the darkworld. Its a shame nintendo didn't do that. Perhaps they didn't have enough time or something.

Also the fact that this game is extremely easy is a good reason to make a Master Quest version perhaps. Well besides all the rearranging of the dungeons. Just something more difficult for us pro's. ;) Just an idea. I know your taking a break right now. But since you guys plan on releasing the editor I might look into that. If you can add sprites and items with that editor that is.
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BeeRad277,Sep 27 2006
08:21 PM
If you can add sprites and items with that editor that is.

Can't say. That's Euclid's side of business.

But I agree, this game could really benefit from a Master Quest version... especially if it got patched to give you more time (like, I dunno, two hours each?) and unwussifie the bosses back to their ALttP status.

By the way, I forgot to thank you for making those mock ups. They are nice :)
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BeeRad277
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No prob. Also I'll be sending you my Master Quest as soon as I'm done with checking something. I fixed a glitch in dungeon 6 and never checked to see if it was actually fixed in the game. Also I plan on starting over with it soon since there are glitches I can't fix that I'm hoping were caused by my inexperience while making it. It shouldn't take too long. Kinda like writing a final draft.
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Euclid
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Thing with sprites and items, like lttp if anyone here has hacked it, the data is packed so that it has just enough space for them all, so unless i remove one thing, i'm not going to be able to add sprites or items.
Yayyyy
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BeeRad277
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Well not necessarily adding sprites and certainly not items. Basically making the bosses as hard as they are in ALTTP, and if anything remove some items since you get way too much money in the game. Either that or make things expensive. Honestly the game was practically no challenge what so ever. I love all the new things you see in the game, like the witch going inside, the orange potion, and the worn out gloves, but its just not that challenging. I'm sure its mainly because I am so used to playing ALTTP, which is a good reason for us pro's to have a harder version.

Actually I have a better idea. Making all the baddies harder instead of just the bosses. I'm guessing an AST version of Hyrule Add-ons could do that.

Anyway, I'm just throwing out ideas. I can live without a Master Quest. Would I love to see that happen? yes, but thats up to you guys since you are much more capable of doing those things.
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Duke Serkol
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Euclid was still talking about the water gate.

I think that's meant to be a gold potion :P
Like I said, a Master Quest would greatly benefit the game, but we are taking a month break for now :)
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BeeRad277
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Well he said sprites or items. I figured he was talking about the Master Quest thing.

lol, well it looks orange.
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Conn
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I like this watergate, but I wondered a little bit because there was nothing to do with it. I thought there must be somewhere a switch to open it, lower the water surface, and pass thus the next room.

But I guess making it this way is beyond the possibilities.

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Duke Serkol
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Con is such an enthusiastic dreamer.

It's no wonder that he's the one that set in motion the events that brought us this far (as the founder of the BS Zelda Homepage, I mean).
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Conn
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*lol* Thanks ;)

But I think I remembered to ALTTP where you had to open the gate in the light world to get access to the water temple in the dark world... or was it that way? I'm not sure anymore... was a long time ago.

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Duke Serkol
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Yes, that's what we were to do. But the floodgate's immediate use in the light world was draining water outside so you could ge a piece of heart (and a valuable fish).
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