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Attempting to find the BS-X Music on the internets; With bits of progress.
Topic Started: Dec 29 2007, 06:06 AM (1,012 Views)
KiddoCabbusses
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(NOTE: I'm writing all this under the assumption that people here don't seem to know the info I'm about to mention. If for some reason you do, and I'm just out of the loop, feel free to correct me and I'll just... um... move along, I guess.)

Hi, folks. I think I posted here once or twice before, but you probably don't remember me, as I basically did nothing other than ask questions far beyond my comprehension level. :(

Either way, I've checked back here now, and I've seen a lot of progress being done recently to restore the game to it's "Oriignal" BS-X state, with the help of videos found on Nicovideo.jp.

After looking at (well, not quite all, but most) of the videos myself, I tried to memorize the music. Unfortunately, I'm no composer or artist or anything of the sort - I don't really know much about putting music into the game itself, but I disgress.

After looking through the videos (And other BS-X videos on the site - I'm hoping someday those can be picked up for "Restoration projects" as well), something clicked at me -

"Well, if the Ancient Stone Tablets music is all from this 'Sound and Drama' CD, then I'd bet the standard BS Zelda music could be found on a CD as well!"

So I did a bit of searching, digging through sites like Galbadia and KHInsider and other places that offer obscure videogame soundtracks. And, well, I was -partly- right.

I'll get the bad news out of the way first - I've yet to find a track for the Old Man's theme (as I've called it - the tune that plays during "LISTEN" sequences.). I don't know if I ever -will- find one, it essentially being the only tune with an original composition. I've come across some of the other songs though.

It seems the BS Zelda music is scattered across various OSTs. Here are some of what my findings. They may need to be double-checked for accuracy, though.

1) A particular track I was looking for - the strange robotic rap with the even more strange vocals - I found it while checking out the MP3s for the Album "Toy Music" by the Akihabara Electric Circus. I don't know the policy of linking MP3s directly here, so for now I'll resist the compulsive urge to do so, but you can find "Toy Music" on Galbadia and KHInsider - the Track in quesiton is Track 9, simply titled "The Legend of Zelda". Along with the rap-ish tune, it has a medley of the overworld, underworld, Ganon, and Zelda Rescue themes, which all also play on the BS-Zelda broadcasts.


2) I've found a mix of the Overworld theme that plays in BS Zelda in an OST download for a soundtrack called "Nintendo Super Famicom Game Music" at a ROM site. This soundtrack also has the "Dark World" LttP arrangement that plays during BS Zelda at times. Sadly enough, this OST is -not- on the music sites I mentioned earlier, so I'd need permission to link the ROM site in question for it.

3) Another mix of the overworld theme that plays in BS Zelda is apparently found in an album called "Famicom Grafitti" on the big music sites. This one transitions from a slow, mellow Zelda overworld into a heavy metal remix. How peculiar.

Along with these, I've found other songs that play on the BS-X as well, but since they're not Zelda-related, I don't know whether that'd be considered on-topic. There's also some songs I -think- are BS-X related, but until videos of the gameplay of games like BS Mario Collection 3 and BS Fire Emblem come around, I might never know for sure.

on that note of music, I think it'd be helpful if we can document, from the NicoVideo videos we have, the songs that are in the BS Zelda games, at what time and for how long they play, and if there's any particular "Mixing" that happens while they play (If, for example, the song is shortened, changed in pitch, etc.)

Any comnments on these, even if they make me look stupid, is appreciated. In the meantime, I'm looking for some BS F-Zero tunes. That Super Famicom OST only had Mute City and Red Canyon....
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KiddoCabbusses,Dec 29 2007
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After looking through the videos (And other BS-X videos on the site - I'm hoping someday those can be picked up for "Restoration projects" as well), something clicked at me -

"Well, if the Ancient Stone Tablets music is all from this 'Sound and Drama' CD, then I'd bet the standard BS Zelda music could be found on a CD as well!"

So I did a bit of searching, digging through sites like Galbadia and KHInsider and other places that offer obscure videogame soundtracks. And, well, I was -partly- right.

Wow, I'm blown away!
It has always been my hope since we found that there was CD-quality music in the other BS Zelda too that it could have been found on some of the non-Zelda specific albums released in Japan, but I wasn't at all optimist that even if that was the case we would be able to get mp3 of 'em!

Thank you so much! Con, I say our friend here more than deserves to have his name in the hall of fame :D

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I'll get the bad news out of the way first - I've yet to find a track for the Old Man's theme (as I've called it - the tune that plays during "LISTEN" sequences.). I don't know if I ever -will- find one, it essentially being the only tune with an original composition.

I can imagin how looking for that one would be hard... it could even be a track from some other lesser known Nintendo game (you know, like that Muramase game also featured in Toy Music1, or Oni Gashima... who knows).

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I've found a mix of the Overworld theme that plays in BS Zelda in an OST download for a soundtrack called "Nintendo Super Famicom Game Music" at a ROM site. This soundtrack also has the "Dark World" LttP arrangement that plays during BS Zelda at times. Sadly enough, this OST is -not- on the music sites I mentioned earlier, so I'd need permission to link the ROM site in question for it.

Wise precaution, we do, after all, have rules we must respect on this board (lest it be taken from us). I'd say give me the url using a personal message, and I'll give it to whomever sends me a PM about it afterwards.
...any luck finding the ALttP ending tracks heard at the end of weeks? (I think week 4 had a different one than the first three, but it may just be a different picth)

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Along with these, I've found other songs that play on the BS-X as well, but since they're not Zelda-related, I don't know whether that'd be considered on-topic. There's also some songs I -think- are BS-X related, but until videos of the gameplay of games like BS Mario Collection 3 and BS Fire Emblem come around, I might never know for sure.

Well, that's still interesting. Give us the names of these albums/tracks, please, and if they are found elsewhere than on Galbadia/KHInsider PM me the link to those too :)

Did you perchance found the music heard while we see the Fortune Teller in the introduction of BS Zelda? (You know, that mystical chant over which the narrator tell about the creation of Hyrule)

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on that note of music, I think it'd be helpful if we can document, from the NicoVideo videos we have, the songs that are in the BS Zelda games, at what time and for how long they play, and if there's any particular "Mixing" that happens while they play (If, for example, the song is shortened, changed in pitch, etc.)

Aye, that would be useful indeed.
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[originally planned to quote, but then realized this thread has enough TL;DR for a while.]

1 ) See my PM for what I've found so far.

2 ) I will now name off the tracks I believe I am missing.

a ) The "Fortune Teller" track you seem to mention... although, I just played that video to verify songs I was missing, and that sounded a bit like some ambient, generic sound effects rather than a song in it's own right.

b ) The intro (Walk in cave - listen to old man - get Sword). Dah! I still need to find yet another "Zelda Intro" theme, and I'll probably find at least 5 other arrangements before I find the correct one.

c ) The Week End/Zelda LttP end arrangement for any of the weeks. (Although, I don't think I've checked LttP arrangement tracks too throughly yet.)

d ) Theme of the Old Man.

e ) [Space reserved for someone to add in a tune]

That leaves us with at least 4 missing tracks so far - I'd assume more, if only for the fact that I'm looking at that list and going "Wait, I doubt they used so -little- music over a period of 4 hours." I might need to re-watch the Nicovideo BS Zelda footage again. (On that note, I might have some minor, unrelated-to-this-thread nitpicks when comparing the footage to our ROM, but I'll read other threads to make sure these aren't covered first.)

If anyone wants to help me - even just -naming- a Nintendo arrangement track I haven't already mentioned might do wonders here - that would be greatly appreciated.
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Great job tracking down this music! ;) I'm sure this will effort will be well worth it in the future when we find someone capable of adding music to the roms.
Just took a quick look and it made me ralize just how many different possibilities there are! Here is a list of most albums made by Koji Kondo. Have you tried listening to all of them yet?

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1) A particular track I was looking for - the strange robotic rap with the even more strange vocals - I found it while checking out the MP3s for the Album "Toy Music" by the Akihabara Electric Circus. I don't know the policy of linking MP3s directly here, so for now I'll resist the compulsive urge to do so, but you can find "Toy Music" on Galbadia and KHInsider - the Track in quesiton is Track 9, simply titled "The Legend of Zelda". Along with the rap-ish tune, it has a medley of the overworld, underworld, Ganon, and Zelda Rescue themes, which all also play on the BS-Zelda broadcasts.
You found the Zelda rap? O_o Can't wait to hear it in it's full glory :lol:
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You really did a great job finding all this music O_o
:lol: :D :lol:

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I'll get the bad news out of the way first - I've yet to find a track for the Old Man's theme (as I've called it - the tune that plays during "LISTEN" sequences.). I don't know if I ever -will- find one, it essentially being the only tune with an original composition. I've come across some of the other songs though.

>_< oh noes - that is my favourite! But maybe somebody is ble to recreate this. I really love this "meditative track" ;)

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Thank you so much! Con, I say our friend here more than deserves to have his name in the hall of fame

I concur - with or without mail address? And where to put you?

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i'm shocked. i never thought that we'd hear some of these tunes outside of the videos. i'm really happy, and i guess i will have to spend some time on the sites you listed hunting through, and downloading some of these tunes.

awesome work bro! you definitely deserve a spot in the hall of fame!
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Just took a quick look and it made me ralize just how many different possibilities there are! Here is a list of most albums made by Koji Kondo. Have you tried listening to all of them yet?


I think I've checked a lot of these, but nothing much later than 1998 - the time period whene everyone was mixing OOT music instead of LttP, I'd assume. The best chance for finding the older tunes is probably albums released from the day Famicom Zelda was out until the BS-X was released.

I'll run through to see what I already checked, so you can mark those off if you're looking for Zelda music:

1) Nazo no Murasame-jou / The Legend of Zelda (1986) - seems to have original mixes of said games' theme songs. Don't know if these appeared on the BS-X at all.

[glow=blue,2]2) Toy Music: Dancing Super Mario Brothers - Akihabara Electric Circus (1988) - Well, obviously, you know what I found here. :)[/glow]

[glow=blue,2]3) Game Music Graffiti (1990) - seems to be "famicom Grafitti" mixes with what I'd assume to be a "Game Boy Grafitti"? Well, either way, the Zelda track in this is the same as the one in "Famicom Grafitti", as are a few other tunes.[/glow]

4) Game Music Concert ~ The Best Selection (1991) - Game Music Concert Rocks, but sadly I don't think I heard any of their stuff on the BS-X runs. On the other hand, BS Dragon Quest sounded like it was Orchestral....

[glow=blue,2]5) Nintendo Super Famicom Game Music (1992) - This soundtrack has a few "Arranged" tunes which I believe made it on the BS-X. Listen to the F-Zero and Zelda arrangements.[/glow]

6) Famicom Music ~ Best Selection - Seems to be an original piece. Haven't heard it on the BS-X. Might need to double-check.

7) Nintendo Super Famicom Game Music ~ Fun Together With Beyer (1993) - Seems to contain mostly original piano mixes, but I'll double-check this anyway as I only paid real close attention to the F-Zero tunes.

[glow=blue,2]8) The Legend of Zelda: Sound and Drama (1994) - hey, well, I wanted to double check, kay? :D;;;[/glow]

9) Obviously, the list is incomplete - Galbadia and KHInsider already have a few other Nintendo-themed musical CDs that aren't listed on there, that have Zelda tunes. I even found a set from Magical Trick Society, whom I recall from their Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney remixes. Of course, they're doujni music, if I recall right, so it's not likely they composed tunes for the BS-X... but I'll search every nook and cranny and Nook's Cranny anyway. You never know what might come up.

I think that we should try looking up the current arrangers we know composed the remixes as well. Since "Mario Freaks Orchestra", "Akihabara Electric Circus" already each had one track in, and "Takami Asano" has -two-, then I think looking up anything and everything they composed will help us out here.
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Yeah, anything later 1996 you can ignore since BS Zelda was already broadcasted by then *nods*
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Can you name any particular soundtracks that obviously -aren't- listed in sites that might have Famicom/Super Famicom arrangements? I don't really know what else to google at this point, unless I get so knee-deep into this I dig 50 pages into results for "Mario Freaks Orchestra" and "Akihabara Electric Circus". Or, in a more extreme case, the Kanji for both of them.

A minor, likely insignificant update: I found a .torrent of "doujin" game music remixes/arrangement. Knowing the term "Doujin", I figure I likely won't find anything used on the BS-X here, but I'm downloading nearly anything Famicom and Zelda-related regardless. Who knows?
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You go man, we all wish you the best of luck locating them *thumbsup*
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i wish i could be of some help here, but i'm afraid i'm no good with locating torrents and such for things as obscure as these. i'll have some time to dig though, if i can figure out another source of torrents and files, i could be of some help.

i wonder if re arranging all the music or trying to piece together the things from the video will maybe work out? the sound quality is kind of poor, but maybe with some mixing or processing it could be usable for files we can't locate.
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tormentedone,Dec 30 2007
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i wish i could be of some help here, but i'm afraid i'm no good with locating torrents and such for things as obscure as these. i'll have some time to dig though, if i can figure out another source of torrents and files, i could be of some help.

i wonder if re arranging all the music or trying to piece together the things from the video will maybe work out? the sound quality is kind of poor, but maybe with some mixing or processing it could be usable for files we can't locate.

On that note, a question would be, exactly what quality did the streaming music play at? Since it's Satellite, I'd assume CD-quality, which I don't think .mp3 files quite cover... although this is more an issue with audiophiles, of which we are probably not.

I don't necessarily know how "piece" able the music pieces are in the videos we have - there's usually a constant stream of either voices or Super Famicom sound effects. It's much preferable to have "Clean" versions. Anyone who wants to try to "clean" the music as it plays on the video can give it a shot though - if I see anywhere I can help, I'll certainly try my best.
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yeah i realize that now, after i watched the videos again. there is a steady stream of sound effects and voices which would make stripping hard to do. but i think if we can get a basic piece of each element piecing together and repeating could work out. i'll see what i can do with it, if its even workable.
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KiddoCabbusses,Dec 30 2007
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On that note, a question would be, exactly what quality did the streaming music play at? Since it's Satellite, I'd assume CD-quality, which I don't think .mp3 files quite cover... although this is more an issue with audiophiles, of which we are probably not.

I'd say first let's focus on finding which albums contained the tracks used in BS Zelda, then we can worry about getting high quality rips, eventually ;)
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Then again, if the music is to be hacked into the game I don't think it can be completely uncompressed either. Would just take up far too much rom space wouldn't it?
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