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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 25 2008, 05:58 PM (649 Views) | |
| Ganon | Jan 25 2008, 05:58 PM Post #1 |
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If you are brave enough to mod (modify) your Wii, you can put in a special chip that will knock down security regulations, while the man purpose of these chips is to play free wii and gc games, it makes it work with ROMs like these, get yourself a snes to gc controller adapter off ebay, and you have it just like the original BS-X, though you you can play it whenever you want! PS If anyone is interested, the chip is called "Wiikey". (i'm modding my wii tomorrow)
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| MasterOfPuppets | Jan 25 2008, 10:15 PM Post #2 |
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I just play it on my DS, it’s a lot safer and you can play it anywhere. |
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| Terra Branford | Jan 25 2008, 11:49 PM Post #3 |
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Not to mention that if you modify your Wii and it breaks down on you, you're out a $250 console just because of one chip... and you can't return the console because you voided the service plan by altering the hardware. It's easier just to play it on the computer, and not have to worry about the glitches that come from all that modifying and emulating and extra work. Plus mod chips aren't free... why pay for a mod when you can play the game freely already?
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| KiddoCabbusses | Jan 26 2008, 05:07 AM Post #4 |
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The overly enthused BS-X nerd.
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If someone can get a Wii to run homebrew code without a modchip a la the Dreamcast, I'll gladly test out BS Zelda on it. Until then... |
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| Terra Branford | Jan 26 2008, 05:17 AM Post #5 |
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That's my point exactly. I would never modify a console that just came out and paid that kind of money on. Not when other ways exist to play the game... |
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| Ganon | Jan 27 2008, 07:29 AM Post #6 |
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I understand why you wouldn't want to mod a wii (though other benifits include using the wii as a dvd player, getting all the wii and gc games you want free, even from other regions etc, etc,) but another option would be full screening it on a laptop, connecting it to a TV, and using a wireless controller. It's actually is really easy, I used to do it until I modded my wii. Oh, and there are no extra glitches like you say there are. P.S. my wii mod worked great, and guess what? I can get a japanese version of Smash Bros. Brawl free Two weeks early!!! :lol: |
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| Terra Branford | Jan 27 2008, 09:24 AM Post #7 |
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I have used the Laptop to TV connection many times in the past (my Toshiba Satellite has an S-video port that matches my tv perfect)... but I also have a desktop which I have hooked up to my tv as well, and it plays games better than the original consoles ever could. I do also have my Dreamcast, which is set up to play not only real Dreamcast games, but other consoles. I will say honestly, I don't use my Dreamcast as an emulator most of the time... it's only for when I don't feel like using my computer for it. And I likely will do the softmod for my Xbox 360 to play games on it, as well. I prefer to use my computer for my business, not an expensive console. As for Wii games... well I never really saw why I should get a Wii. It never really appealed to me. |
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| Ganon | Jan 27 2008, 05:47 PM Post #8 |
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you are SO missing out!!! Tre, the wii is the best video game system ever devised, if you look past the slightly worse graphics, and the kiddie reputation. Twilight Princess and super Mario Galaxy are THE best games ever! and motion control isn't just a gimic. I know this is in the wrong section, but since you mentioned it... |
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| Terra Branford | Jan 27 2008, 06:32 PM Post #9 |
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This is going to come as an absolute shock... but I'm not a fan of Mario... I stopped playing after they released Super Mario All Stars on SNES. "Mario RPG" did nothing for me, and I haven't touched it at all on the Gamecube, N64, or anything else. Mario... eh, whatever, you know? As for the Zelda games... I lost interest after the release of Wind Waker. It wasn't asthetically appealing to me, and while that's a really lame reason not to play a game... well if I don't like how it looks, I don't want to stare at it for hours on end. And with the exception of TP, that's what the Zelda games have looked like ever since... so I lost interest 100% in the series, and will likely never pick up my Master Sword again. As for the Wii... I prefer to sit back, relax, and play the game in my bed while lazing about. I don't play games for a workout, and I don't like to look foolish trying to swing about a controller like a sword. I'm unfortunately too old to enjoy the Wii, it's a child's toy to me. And as you said "slightly worse graphics, and kiddie reputation"... I want more mature titles and superior graphics. That's why I went with a 360... that, and it was given to me as a gift for free, with Half-Life 2's Orange Box, BioShock, Ultimate Alliance and Spider-Man: Friend or Foe. I don't care for motion control, kiddy graphics, or 99% of the Nintendo titles out there these days. So I'm not missing out on anything really... |
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| KiddoCabbusses | Jan 27 2008, 10:10 PM Post #10 |
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The overly enthused BS-X nerd.
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First off, I find it disturbing that you'd judge the 3D Mario platfomers based on an RPG from the SNES that wasn't really 3D. I'd fairly considering "Not even touching" Mario 64 to be about as close to "not having played video games in the last 10 years" as someone on this board could reasonably get. You're alos judging the Wii based on ad campaigns aimed at old men who want exercise tools. Motion controls don't require nearly as much energy as that implies. Also, if you judge a game by it's graphics, then I'd say you -are- missing out, especially if you're picking derivative, tired Spider-man games over Zack and Wiki, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. |
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| Terra Branford | Jan 28 2008, 12:01 PM Post #11 |
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I'm sure that it is disturbing that I sounded like I'm judging the 3D Mario games based on an obvious 2D game made three console generations ago... but that's not the point I was making. The point I was making is that my "interest" in Mario ended with SMW1. I've never been a "Mario fanboy", and only purchased the Nintendo consoles for the Legend of Zelda series. I didn't care for "Mario World 2 - Yoshi's Island", the "Mario Land" titles, any of those "Mario Party" games. It got rather old for me, and even making Mario 3D didn't peak my interest and make me all "Wow! It's a 3D Mario!!!" (Much like Megaman Legends on PS1 and N64 didn't make me go "WOW! It's 3D Rockman!!!"). Just because a game is "3D", doesn't mean it's not the same contrived and played out platformer game that it's been since 1985. That was the point I was trying to make regarding Mario. And in a sense, it was partly why I gave up on Zelda. Because even TP didn’t save it from the fact that the Zelda series has become stale to me and uninteresting, I suppose you can only tell the same story for so long before even the most die-hard fans are sick of the series. I lost interest in Zelda during the "Oracle of…" titles, but tried to get my interest back up when I heard of the Gamecube’s "upcoming release"… and the demo they had for E3 made me drool and go "Okay, I’m buying a Gamecube just for this game!!!!! ". Well we all know how that went, and that’s why my GC is sitting in a closet in it’s original box now. Anyway… No, I'm not judging the Wii based on the ad campaigns for old people... I'm judging it based on my own personal taste. I wasn't one of the kids that thought jumping up and down with the movements of their button presses made the character suddenly respond better on a standard controller than just normal presses did. You know the kind... they're the same people who scream: "COME ON!!! YOU HAD THAT!!!!!" when they get hit/killed for "no good reason" by a game and try to rationalize with the AI why it "cheated" and is a punk. Then again, I am one of the people who thinks it’s idiotic to scream and yell into the Nintendo DS and blow on it and twiddle the stylus just to do special moves on games. If I wanted to look like an idiot, I’d find better ways than that to do so. So I don't find it "innovative" or even "clever" to have to wiggle around a controller, move it around in real-time, and do a million other combinations that used to be: "Push left to go left. Oh yes, and push A to strike with your sword.". It doesn't suit me, appeal to me, or make me drool. The only way it would make me drool, is if I’d had a chunk of my brain taken out before hand. And most likely, I’d just chew on the controller at that point. Even if this post makes me sound like some lazy fat anti-Nintendo villain, that's my opinion. Just as it's my opinion that most games on the Wii are geared for children. Albeit children with the attention span of an ADHD having gnat. I will admit, some games on the Wii are interesting upon first glance... but I'm more into dedicated FPS titles, immersive RPGs and the occasional fanboy game (which is what Spider-Man is for me, as I've been playing even the worst of his games since I was a child. Same with the DBZ titles that I buy, despite them all sucking). Which the Wii lacks in spades. The Wii has absolutely nothing of interest for me, and that’s why I won’t plunk down even a dollar for it. This is the same reason I won’t buy a PS3, either. Not because of it’s "Six-Axis" tilt-motion controllers, or that it’s just a BluRay player that can occasionally play videogames. But because none of the titles (exclusive to PS3) interest me. Orange Box would have been the only reason I got a PS3, but the 360 version was cheaper, and at that point it hadn’t even come out yet. (Still hasn’t, I might add). And I got used to Portal’s control scheme on 360. So even the fact that the graphics are supposedly so much better than either Wii or 360, I’ll not bother with PS3, either. That’s the real point I was making earlier, I’m not interested in the selection of games, or how they are played. I was just a bit out of it from my recent surgery to make as cohesive and thought-out a point as this one. And am still loopy from painkillers to know if I’m rambling as much as I think I am or not. Anyway. I noticed you singled out Spider-Man: FoF as "tired and derivative"... which I will gladly grant you. As I said, I got it because I love the Spider-Man franchise, no matter how badly it gets screwed up in movie, game, and comics form. Spider-Man to me, is like Zelda and Mario are to some die-hard Fan Boys. But you didn't say anything negative about Orange Box or BioShock... so I take it you didn't have anything negative to say about those? Well to be clear, those are the games I play the most on my 360. And that was the primary reason I got my 360 in the first place. I didn’t get them for graphics (Play Half-Life 2 and you’ll see that while the graphics are better than HL1, it’s still sub-par, especially compared to titles on Wii or PS3, even I will admit to that) but for their absolute fun factor. Had TWW been this much fun (to me), I would have eventually gotten over those Cel-Shaded graphics and maybe continued with the series. But alas, that wasn’t to be. I should also mention that Brawl (and all the Smash Brothers) titles don't interest me. I do like fighting games, yes, but I gravitate towards the Street Fighter types of games, and generally don't go outside of that range. A few series of games (like the DBZ fighters) I will play, but mostly it's because the fighting style and gameplay is almost identical to SFA:3 and not a pain to try to figure out... and it's for my fanboy-ism. Now, I do admit I did play a bit of Melee in the past, but that was mostly for Link's fighting style... and after I played Soul Calibur 2 on GC, I was able to just play through as Link there instead of playing a game with a ton of Ninty characters that don't matter too much to me, and it had a so-so story behind it. Now, mind you, I'm not Anti-Ninty, but there are few characters I like from Nintendo, and usually I can enjoy them in better games than "Smash". Now I’m going to do something productive… time to earn me more achievements!! |
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| KiddoCabbusses | Jan 29 2008, 02:48 AM Post #12 |
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The overly enthused BS-X nerd.
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Trying my best to read the full post, but since it feels like a TL;DR that I normally make myself, and I have a cold and am slightly tired, so sorry if I miss a couple points. I will summarize any point about Mario with my stance that the 2D Marios are hardly a thing like the 3D Marios, and as such, I'd consider your point on them being like "Rehash material" to be completely inaccurate, and recommend you play at least -one- of the 3D Mario games, preferably either 64 or Galaxy. As for Zelda, I'd say you're correct there - Nintendo has already acknowledged that, though, and the plans for the next Zelda are for the gameplay to somehow be drastically different. The paragraph about the Wii brings up, once again, the concept of people wildly swinging about a controller, which I've already explained is an exaggeration used by the marketing campaigns to make it more appealing in advertising. On the note of "elaborate motions" replacing button presses, in -most- practice motions were used wherein a theoretical button-press would be the equal of Geese Howard's Raising Storm, and, although the results from this are mixed, it still debunks the idea motions have made what used to be simple games more complex. As for "Mature" titles... well, I'm not sure what your sense of "Mature" is. If you like gratitious blood and gore, though, Suda 51's "No More Heroes" is apparently -the- game to get, and it's got both great gameplay and hilarious dialog. I'd say the plotline of Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and the difficulty of the Trauma Center games don't lend towards a "Kiddy" audience, either. On that note, though, you'd probably have to elaborate more on your personal taste in games. I'll forgive you for your affection with Spider-man because I happen to know quite a few people that can somehow still play a 3D Sonic game that was released after the Dreamcast died. ![]() I didn't mention the other two because they'd just stretch the debate material further, but I'll give my individual opinions here. I think Bioshock is derivative and overrated, and most of it's potential wasted by the fact that choosing "sides" is limited to two extremes and death is a non-issue. Orange Box, though, has Portal, which is God's Gift to the First-person perspective. For that alone, I will refuse to say anything bad about it, and hope the next "Colored Box" that might come around will have a new game that takes the shooter out of FPS and swaps it with something creative. BTW, I apologize for pulling this question out, but how about them there Cel-shaded graphics in Team Fortress 2? ;P Last paragraph. I like the Street Fighter 2-style fighters just as well, but at this point I can't think of a single game that, in my mind, is better than Smash, and I guess that'll be how my opinion holds perpetually. Literally, Smash is like this holy grail in my opinon. But anyway. BACK ON THE ORIGINAL TOPIC. Or, at least related. http://www.wiili.org/forum/wii-zelda-explo...chip-t3429.html When they release this stuff to the public so I can boot an SNES emulator on my Wii, you guys will be the first to know how BS Zelda runs on it. |
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| Terra Branford | Jan 29 2008, 05:01 AM Post #13 |
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I'll be shorter, since I don't like reading blocks of text either and I am tired. Mario = not interested in him in 2D, 3D or virtual reality. The fat plumber is boring and even the power to turn into a bee and fly across galaxies didn't make me buzz with joy. But I'll stop talking about Mario, because unfortunately, he just can't excite me, and never could. With the Wii, I just am not comfortable with motion controllers. They don't really mesh well with my gaming style. Even if the motions are so absolutely minute that I would barely know I was doing it... it's just not the same as plopping down into my bed with a controller and playing normally. A lot of the time, my controller doesn't even move more than a slight nudging here and there when I have to tap rapidly on the fire button. And again, there haven't been any titles that made it worth even a $150 price tag. Ah well. And by mature titles, I mean games with serious substance that I can lose myself into for hours and sometimes days on end. I don't need a lot of blood and gore, and maybe a few Wii titles could do that. But it's really not too likely, since my taste is extremely selective. As for TF2 on Orange Box... I haven't actually played it. I don't do multiplayer games (which is also why I don't do the Smash Brothers games), so I've never even seen Team Fortress... ever. Well, that, and it's "Xbox live only". Oo;; Ah well. Anywho... when/if Wii gains more titles that would pull me in, and the games work with the NORMAL Wii controller (the non-Wii-motes) I might pick one up. I never thought I'd bother with a 360, but Orange Box and BioShock did surprise me... and Assasins Creed seems like the next title on my list. |
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| Ganon | Jan 29 2008, 08:31 PM Post #14 |
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I feel sorry for you, Tre. you have missed out on the best games of all time because of graphics, and reputation among 17 year-olds. Twilight Princess, Galazy, and Zelda 64 were the best games ever made. but if you want to play "Mature" titles, go pick up a grand theft auto. that should have enough blood, gore, swearing, and senseless violence for you. by the way, the same old zelda stories arn't used over and over again, there all different, and very fun. Oh, just do this, at least try TP before you say you hate it. Now we've figured out our options for bs zelda on real hardware and sufficiently dissed each other, let's stop posting here. (PS If you hate Zelda so much, than why are you an admin on this site?) |
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| Terra Branford | Jan 30 2008, 05:18 AM Post #15 |
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You feel sorry for me? Why? Because you think that I'm missing out? (And by the way, I have both Zelda OoT and MM it was the Gamecube Wind Waker I bawked at and is in the closet, not the N64 titles). Oh well, this thread has run on without much point. And I do like the GTA series, but only because it's just senseless violence. I'm more into the older Final Fantasy titles (read this as FF 4, 5 and 6) and the Xenosaga series of games. That's my "mature" there. As for why I admin a Zelda site if I hate Zelda, that's simple really. This isn't dedicated to the crappy new Zelda games, but restoring the Zelda titles that didn't come out back when the games were still fresh and amazing. I will gladly play LoZ and ALttP over even the N64 titles, because they were still fresh and "new" to me. That's why I'm here. That, and because I show my support for the patchers and restorers by helping with the forums. |
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It's easier just to play it on the computer, and not have to worry about the glitches that come from all that modifying and emulating and extra work. Plus mod chips aren't free... why pay for a mod when you can play the game freely already?

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