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In some realities, does he appear in BSLOZ?!
Yes he probably/definentely DOES APPEAR!! :) ^_^ B) 3 (60%)
NO, THERE IS NO :link: IN BS ZELDA!! :P >( 2 (40%)
Undecided. @_@ :...: O_o 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 5
Does Link appear in BSLOZ?!; Is he really *There*?!
Topic Started: Nov 23 2008, 01:10 AM (842 Views)
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I already know what Tre's & Duke's response will be, :P but I wanted to know what the rest of you thought...

Here's another reason :link: SHOULD APPEAR IN BSLOZ: the Triforce Tiles patch makes LITERALLY THE MOST SENSE SYMBOLWISE AT LEAST, OUT OF ALL THE VERSIONS OF LOZ/BSLOZ!! Thereforei it SHOULD BE SEMI-CANON/CANON, as it fits with the rest of the games, whereas the other versions DO NOT!!

Although I consider all of the other versions to exist in other realities as well!!

And as I've noted before: the mangas can be considered to be in alternate realities, why not the BS Zelda Link sprites, and SC2?!

YES, YES, AND TRIPLE YES!! :D
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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KiddoCabbusses
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This is a sad thread.
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Duke Serkol
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Certainly so.
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Conn
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YES, YES, YES AND Quatro YES!! B)

You are absolutely correct, Tuffy! Intelligent and wonderful explanation (as always)!
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Duke Serkol
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You do realize that Tuf Pic is immune to sarcasm, right?
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Terra Branford
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Okay... I can see this is going to be hard for you to accept, Pic, but the truth is, Link isn't in the BS Zelda games for one simple reason:

Nintendo of Japan, in making their BS-X unit, wanted to bring a new level of "interactivity" to their games. They wanted to throw in a more personal touch... letting gamers choose not only the name of their characters (in games like Zelda and Dragon Quest), but even to choose their gender. The BS-X world was intended to be, to put it into modern terms, similar to the Wii channel. You pick a character (boy or girl, since there was serious limitations back then) and explore the BS-X world.

How does this relate to BS Zelda? Simple... BS Zelda was one of the titles that was released for the purpose of revisiting a classic NES title, and giving the players the chance to play through "with their character".

This is why "Link" isn't in the BS Zelda titles. Because in these stories, YOU are the hero. Not Link. Not TP Link. Not Child Link. Not any of the multiple Links in the multiverse of Hyrule.

You can argue that he ~should~ be in there... but the BS-X mascots were just a marketing ploy to revive a dying console, and a way to further enhance the gaming experience in experimental ways. Which, if you want my opinion, ended up becoming rather successful.
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Tre,Nov 23 2008
05:14 PM
Okay... I can see this is going to be hard for you to accept, Pic, but the truth is, Link isn't in the BS Zelda games for one simple reason:

Nintendo of Japan, in making their BS-X unit, wanted to bring a new level of "interactivity" to their games. They wanted to throw in a more personal touch... letting gamers choose not only the name of their characters (in games like Zelda and Dragon Quest), but even to choose their gender. The BS-X world was intended to be, to put it into modern terms, similar to the Wii channel. You pick a character (boy or girl, since there was serious limitations back then) and explore the BS-X world.

How does this relate to BS Zelda? Simple... BS Zelda was one of the titles that was released for the purpose of revisiting a classic NES title, and giving the players the chance to play through "with their character".

This is why "Link" isn't in the BS Zelda titles. Because in these stories, YOU are the hero. Not Link. Not TP Link. Not Child Link. Not any of the multiple Links in the multiverse of Hyrule.

You can argue that he ~should~ be in there... but the BS-X mascots were just a marketing ploy to revive a dying console, and a way to further enhance the gaming experience in experimental ways. Which, if you want my opinion, ended up becoming rather successful.

Did they actually STATE THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT LINK IN THERE?!

As far as I'm concerned, maybe Nintendo of Japan TRIED to put him in there, but failled due to the simplistic memory system, which wouldn't accept BOTH :link: AND THE BS-X MASCOTTS!! And they figured: "Why not do something original for a change, and put the Girl & Boy protaganists in there, and leave it up to the fans to put Link in", and well... you guys did!!

Thusly, it MOST CERTAINLY WOULD EXIST IN SEPERATE REALITIES, and/or be semi-canon/canon!!

And I know that there was a Beta BS Zelda, but do we KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BETA BSLOZ?!

I think not!!

And plus, as I've aleady explained, the Trforce Tiles Patch make the most sense out of LITTERALLY ALL OF THE VERSIONS OF LOZ/BSLOZ, it probably IS VALID!!

And I still compare the validity of the BS Zelda Link sprittes to the validity the of the manga!!

ConNov 23 2008
03:09 AM
YES, YES, YES AND Quatro YES!! 

You are absolutely correct, Tuffy! Intelligent and wonderful explanation (as always)!


I would sure hope that IS NOT SARCASM, and it didn't seem like it to me, so if that's the case, THANKS A LOT CON!! ;)

Duke Serkol@Nov 23 2008
02:19 PM
You do realize that Tuf Pic is immune to sarcasm, right?


You DON'T know that that was sarcasm, and the only clue to that theory is that Con used the LAUGH OUT LOUD emoticon, and that could easily mean other things as well!!

I doubt Con was being sarcastic, and I'm NOT COMPLETELY IMMUNE TO SARCASM!! :P

EDIT: @Con: Did you vote the way I did?! If so, then I guess you WEREN'T BEING SARCASTIC AFTER ALL!! Then, if that's the case, THANKS CON!!

The reason I asked, was because when I viewed how many votes there were for what option, there were TWO FOR THE FIRST OPTION, WHICH I VOTED FOR!!

Just wondering...
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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How could I be sarcastic...? :cucco:
:rotflmho:

Now Tre is absolutely correct here... I had a long discussion about canoning BS Zelda with Duke a long time ago. I think the best possibility is just that BS-LOZ is a parallel story, like what was if humans from earth and not Link defeated Ganon in LOZ,NES.

If you wanna have Link fighting Ganon, why don't you just play TQ/FQ. These games can be regarded as "Canon" in that way that they are the continue after you have beaten LOZ, NES ("first quest"), and the second going (you know when you have beaten Ganon in LOZ, the shapes of the dungeon change ("second quest").

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Con,Nov 23 2008
07:46 PM
How could I be sarcastic...?  :cucco:
:rotflmho:

Now Tre is absolutely correct here... I had a long discussion about canoning BS Zelda with Duke a long time ago. I think the best possibility is just that BS-LOZ is a parallel story, like what was if humans from earth and not Link defeated Ganon in LOZ,NES.

If you wanna have Link fighting Ganon, why don't you just play TQ/FQ. These games can be regarded as "Canon" in that way that they are the continue after you have beaten LOZ, NES ("first quest"), and the second going (you know when you have beaten Ganon in LOZ, the shapes of the dungeon change ("second quest").



Umm, you sent a mixed message :...: first off you ask "how could I be sarcastic", implying that you WERE NOT BEING SARCASTIC, and then you say that Tre is "absolutely correct, even though he thinks the BS Zelda Link sprites don't have alternate realities, and are not semi-canon/canon?! O_o

And I still assert that the BS Zelda sprites should AT LEAST take place in alternate realities, and/or be semi-canon/canon, and I wonder: if Con didn't vote the way I did, and make the first option have TWO VOTES, then who did... I know it was NOT me, seeing as you can only vote once!!

It was either Con, or someone who hasn't posted!!

EDIT: Someone else voted yes, bringing the total votes for the first option to 3!! :D
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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...I swear that if you were in the same room with me, Pic, I would cut out chunks of your brain until you cease these insane thought patterns.
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Tre,Nov 23 2008
09:06 PM
...I swear that if you were in the same room with me, Pic, I would cut out chunks of your brain until you cease these insane thought patterns.



My thought-patterns are not outrageous, insane or crazy!!
They make perfect sense!!

And wouldn't cutting out portions of people's brains be an invitation for an ARREST?!

Edit: You don't need to have insanely large font, crazy colors, and an assortment of smilies to attempt to make a point. ~Tre
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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Conn
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:rotflmho: :rotflmho: :rotflmho:

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Con,Nov 24 2008
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:rotflmho:  :rotflmho:  :rotflmho:



I don't know who you were laughing at, Con: @_@ was it at Tre or me, and I still want to know: do you sort of agree with me that the BS Zelda Link sprites exist in alternate realities?!

I'd very much appreciate it if you did, although I know you might choose not to, and that would disappoint me. :(

But I wonder, who agreed with me that the BS Zelda Link sprites are semi-canon/canon?! :...:

And I DO want the Girl/Boy protaganists: I just think that Link should and/or probably IS, in there as well!!

Although, I wonder: who besides myself voted the first option, and I suspect 1 was Con, but there's a possibility it was NOT CON, and who was the other person...

Oh, I get what you were laughing at!! *LOL*

@Duke: What did you mean by "Certainly so."
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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Tuf Pic, you're making an embarrassment out of yourself.

Please cease posting about this topic and move on to something productive, rather than making a mockery of this forum.
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Link was not left out due to technical limitations. While it's not obvious when playing the heavily patched versions, in the original format you could not choose your gender. Characters were created in the BS-X town, and they then transitioned into several games (keeping the name and chosen gender as well as the easily recognisable baseball hat/red hair).

This character system was a deliberate design decision and was quite a milestone at the time. As far as I know it was definitely a first for consoles; on the PC, the "Gold Box" RPGs (starting with Pool of Radiance in 1988) had an even more elaborate system where characters could be transferred between compatible games, carrying over all their stats and items, mimicking the manner in which tabletop RPGs were played. The NES version of Pool of Radiance included this feature in the form of a password system of sorts, but since no NES sequels followed the codes were useless.
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