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Interesting new take on the story
Topic Started: Jan 18 2009, 04:03 AM (1,046 Views)
Duke Serkol
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There's a discussion goig on at Legends Alliance concerning the stories of the BS Zelda games.

One of the people there, MikePetersSucks, affirms that the first BS Zelda game is basically an illusion the BS-X mascot lives out "thanks" to the Fortune Teller seen at the start.
Now, at first I was all "WTF??" but even though I'm still not completely convinced I must admit he does have some valid points to his idea.

It this still seems kind of farfetched. We know the Fortune Teller is apparently in league with the baddies, given that he has monsters hiding behind his curtain (that get out only after the character is gone, with the Fortune Teller then bursting into laughter).
So why would he put the main character through a scenario they can succeed in? I dunno really. Anyway, check out the thread here.

http://forums.legendsalliance.com/index.ph...pic=16382&st=48

You may read only MPS's posts and mine, if you want to make it quick (there are other discussions going on, even in our posts I'm afraid, that do not concern BS Zelda).
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KiddoCabbusses
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I doubt St. Giga thuoght very clearly about the plot as a whole or how the two games connected. Also, bear in mind that players of one game may not have played players of another game - or even part of the same game, for that matter.

Remember the context of the Satellaview service itself - and that the BS Zeldas were not the only games in which the player avatar was the playable character.
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I have to agree with KiddoCabbusses - this could very easily be a case of overthinking the situation. Considering the way that the games were delivered, it seems like an attempt to give some context to why you only play for an hour.
"You must be talking about Heaven... or the moon."

"It's a dog eat dog world... and there's not enough dog to go around."

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Hmm, my interpretation is that with the Guiding Star, actually the satellite is meant (japanese dream-fantasies...?).
This Guidiing Star (and NOT the fortune teller, Illusion or whatsoever, we have a good translation) brings the mascotts (players from the earth) to Hyrule and back.

As for connection to canon, there are simply no thoughts by St.Giga I guess.
For any hardcore fans, I prefer the interpretation that the Guiding Star creates a parallel reality (winks at Tuffy) in which players from earth and not Link fights Ganon in LoZ.
Still I dunno why they took LTTP story (seven seals, master sword) in it. Doesn't LTTP storyline take place after LoZ (can also be wrong here, I don't remember)?

Neither, I think, there are thoughts about the monsters behind the curtain. Are they there to let the player know that he will be chased? Is the fortune teller ambivalent? Are they also brought to Hyrule by the Guiding Star (but they do not follow into the skull) and what do they do on earth?
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LttP's story was intended as a prequel - which would mean that by the setup of BS Zelda's backstory, it ignores that, while the Sekiban games take place directly afterward. In other words, the two BS Zeldas Contradict each other when you try to put them both in any "canon".

Are we dnoe yet? >: (
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KiddoCabbusses,Jan 18 2009
04:23 AM
I doubt St. Giga thuoght very clearly about the plot as a whole or how the two games connected. Also, bear in mind that players of one game may not have played players of another game - or even part of the same game, for that matter.

Remember the context of the Satellaview service itself

But we also need to keep in mind that this is Japanese gamers we're talking about: of course it was expected that players of BS Zelda would later play also AST.

Guess I'll have to play devil's advocate here...
I myself am not convinced that the point of this "illusion world" concept was to connect the two games, or even (like I previously said) that this theory is just partially right, but I'm willing to take it into consideration.

Con,Jan 18 2009
05:34 AM
This Guidiing Star (and NOT the fortune teller, Illusion or whatsoever, we have a good translation) brings the mascotts (players from the earth) to Hyrule and back.

If we do have a good translation, then why is it the old man says that it'll be the world that will disappear, not simply that the mascot will be sent back home? That's something which always bothered me.

Con,Jan 18 2009
05:34 AM

As for connection to canon, there are simply no thoughts by St.Giga I guess.

Wasn't St.Giga responsible for the technical aspects of the game (such as broadcasting it). Don't forget that it's "Nintendo AND St.Giga present".
At any rate, I'm not concerned about the series canon here, I'm simply trying to figure out the story of the BS games themselves.

Con,Jan 18 2009
05:34 AM

For any hardcore fans, I prefer the interpretation that the Guiding Star creates a parallel reality (winks at Tuffy) in which players from earth and not Link fights Ganon in LoZ.

A parallel reality could just as easily be a fictional artificial reality.

Con,Jan 18 2009
05:34 AM

Still I dunno why they took LTTP story (seven seals, master sword) in it.

I wouldn't worry about that. Like KC says, ALttP was supposed to be a prequel, and just like AST had different voice acting for the introduction of each week, it is possible that BS LoZ would, in later weeks, explain the rest of the story (perhaps week 1 = ALttP backstory, week 2 = ALttP in game story, week 3 = legend of sleeping Zelda and week 4 backstory of LoZ?).
If only we had recordings of those...

Con,Jan 18 2009
05:34 AM

Neither, I think, there are thoughts about the monsters behind the curtain. Are they there to let the player know that he will be chased? Is the fortune teller ambivalent?

I would say the latter is definitely the case. It could have been that he was forced by the monsters into hiding them and doing what they wanted from him, but they clearly show us this is not the case by having the fortune teller burst into laughter as the mascot gets into the skull and the monsters move out from behind the curtain.

KiddoCabbusses,Jan 18 2009
06:56 AM
LttP's story was intended as a prequel - which would mean that by the setup of BS Zelda's backstory, it ignores that, while the Sekiban games take place directly afterward. In other words, the two BS Zeldas Contradict each other when you try to put them both in any "canon".

Not really. Even if BS LoZ isn't an illusion, even if it actually did happen, AST would still make sense. Just as the starring character is traveling between worlds, he could as easily travel through time, in order to appear first in future Hyrule then in past Hyrule.
But if BS LoZ was some sort of illusion (which, I think, brings to mind the ending of
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, so it wouldn't be so far out), then no time travel is necessary.

KiddoCabbusses,Jan 18 2009
06:56 AM

Are we dnoe yet? >: (

You know what? That is really, really, extremely annoying.
Ok so you dislike storyline discussion, well WE GET IT. There's no need to pout and complain every time. You don't like what's being discussed here? Then don't discuss it.
Geez.
Don't think I'm trying to kick you out. I'm not. You're doing that to yourself. I mean what you are essentially saying is "Can we stop talking about such stupid things as the game's story?". So now don't be surprised if I answer "Yes, you certainly can, by not posting in this topic."
I wouldn't be so annoyed if you just thought the idea of the illusion world was stupid. I myself am not sure it isn't. But you do this for every storyline debate and that is the same as saying "Guys I don't think this is worth discussing, so rather than letting you discuss it, I'll keep saying this until you stop, so I can be happy".
If I'm wrong, if I'm misunderstanding you, then explain to me how I'm mistaken and I'll apologize for my rudeness, but if I'm right then please, please stop tryihng to kill off storyline discussions, okay?
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Like I've said before, I'm very out of the loop these days - so we have a translation of all that is spoken after Week 4 ends? Before the credits start rolling?
"You must be talking about Heaven... or the moon."

"It's a dog eat dog world... and there's not enough dog to go around."

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Unless I'm mistaken, no, we currently only have translations of the voice acting heard during the wait signs.
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Ahh, ok - was just wondering since there is some more speech there, before the credits.
"You must be talking about Heaven... or the moon."

"It's a dog eat dog world... and there's not enough dog to go around."

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Duke Serkol
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And that could well settle the issue yes... hopefully we'll have it all translated some time soon.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking (of course, it may also be nothing).

Is there video of the introductions to the different weeks? Of the fortune teller hut stuff for each week?
"You must be talking about Heaven... or the moon."

"It's a dog eat dog world... and there's not enough dog to go around."

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My take on all of this? It's a game, it's only supposed to make sense while you're playing it, after that... well whatever. You know?

But if I had to throw an opinion into the bonfire, I'd say that it's possible that if the games have any basis in the Hyrule canon, I think it is like
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... did it happen? Was it a dream? Did a wizard do it? Who knows! That's the beauty of it... you have to think for yourself to figure out the truth of the story and if it really happens at all.
I'm officially retired from beta testing, and resign my duties to those who have the time to do it.
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Is there video of the introductions to the different weeks? Of the fortune teller hut stuff for each week?

Unfortunately not. Though, I dunno if this was different. It would be interesting to see if there are also monsters behind the curtains and whatsoever.
Is the text and screens different in the AST videos of each week? Guess I have to watch them.


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If we do have a good translation, then why is it the old man says that it'll be the world that will disappear, not simply that the mascot will be sent back home? That's something which always bothered me.

Let's see our translation:
Ah, I am very pleased. You followed the guiding star. We knew you would come here. Good hero. You must collect all of the Triforce to be able to defeat Evil King Ganon. I will give you power here. One more thing. This is very important. This world only exists for a certain amount of time. When the time comes this world will disappear like an illusion. To begin with, search out the Devil King's labyrinth that is in this area. Hurry, hero. Wield this sword.
1. Now he says "like an illusion" means, it is no illusion, but real. That simple ^_^
2. You followed the Guiding Star - Means, the guiding star brought you to this world
3. This world will soon disappear. Well, could also mean that the world will disappear for you (only). On the other hand he clearly says that this "world only exists for a small amount of time. But can worlds appear and disappear out of nothing? Think we need a magic pagan here to explain this :P


Duke, we need the end of the video translated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQk7YOom-Zs
5:05-5:40

There's always problem with canon... remember LTTP ending? The master sword sleeps forever... Apparently not when the hero of light picks it up at the place Link left it.
To this end I hypothize that BS-LOZ world exists, and the guiding star brings you there as helper since Link is indisposed to slaughter the evil pig. Why this world appears/disappears, I dunno. I also dunno if this is an alternate reality to LoZ or somehow canon-able. This is Duke's business (I don't deal with canon thingies so much anymore ;) )

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The impression I got when I put Chocomilk's transcriptions through a machine translator a while ago was that the intro of each part is mostly the same as week 2's. (At least, I think they all have the "The priest Agahnim, possessed by Ganon," part.)

Do those transcriptions still exist online?
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You mean the videos? login at www.nicovid.jp
use username: cody24@gmx.de
PW: bszelda1
and search for BSƒ[ƒ‹ƒ_‚Ì“`à

I'll ask DarthNemesis at romhacking because of the end translation once again. Though, I guess nothing of real value will come out...

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