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Should it be taken seriously?!
YES, IT PROBABLY, CAN BE CANON!! 1 (16.7%)
NO IT CANNOT BE!! 4 (66.7%)
DON'T KNOW, &/OR DON'T CARE!! 1 (16.7%)
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Is SC2 Canon?!; I know I did something like this, but...
Topic Started: Nov 20 2009, 04:10 AM (1,345 Views)
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I was just wondering, even though I *KNOW* I've done this before, I did *NOT* turn this into a poll, so...

IS SC2 CANON-WORTHY?!


I personally think it is...

I mean, unlike the Smash Bros. series, it actually *HAS* a storyline, (& a darn good 1 at that), & even the 2 noteworthy BS Zelda games don't use Link as a main character...

(Just to let you know, I will try to *NOT DISCUSS THE BS ZELDA :link: ['S] sprites* & there place in the storyline of BS Zelda... This thread is mainly about SC2's canonicity)... ;)

& to prove my point, well...

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It has Nintendo's approval, has a unique storyline, not to mention that the storyline is pretty awesome, makes it possible for there to be 1 Link on the CT at least in some realities where it appears, and even AST doesn't feature Link, and I still assert that the creators of BS Zelda knew that Link would probably EVENTUALLY become a part of BS Zelda: even if they themselves did not put him in, I'm sure they knew he would eventually find a way into BS Zelda, and perhaps approved!!!!

And the BS Link sprites probably have an expression in many alternate realities!!!!

The only thing I think they COULD have done better on in making SC2 is to feature YOUNG Link, instead of ADULT Link... Otherwise, the game was PERFECT!!!! SC2 RULES, and should definently be considered canon!!!! What are your thoughts on the matter guys?!?!

EDIT: "SC2" stands for "Soul Calibur 2", in case anyone needs clarification...


What's your opinion, guys?!
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Canon is such a subjective term - the question is more whether it is part of the official LoZ continuity (whatever THAT is).

At the end of the day, I think that SCII comes down to being a personal judgement call. Even if Nintendo did think that it was an official part of continuity, it is extremely, extremely unlikely that it will ever have an actual impact on the series or be referenced in anyway in a future game.

Unless you think that the wizard mentioned in SCII's Link backstory is Agahnim, at which point I guess it sheds new light on the events of ALttP... but that is possibly another kettle of octorocks.

I consider it a part of my personal LoZ canon, but then again, I count Navi Trackers and the LoZ Game & Watch game as well :P

But that raises questions as well - is it a Link that we have already seen? Is it a new Link? A generic, composite Link? That's probably up to personal judgement as well...

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coinilius,Nov 20 2009
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Canon is such a subjective term - the question is more whether it is part of the official LoZ continuity (whatever THAT is).

At the end of the day, I think that SCII comes down to being a personal judgement call. Even if Nintendo did think that it was an official part of continuity, it is extremely, extremely unlikely that it will ever have an actual impact on the series or be referenced in anyway in a future game.

Unless you think that the wizard mentioned in SCII's Link backstory is Agahnim, at which point I guess it sheds new light on the events of ALttP... but that is possibly another kettle of octorocks.

I consider it a part of my personal LoZ canon, but then again, I count Navi Trackers and the LoZ Game & Watch game as well :P

But that raises questions as well - is it a Link that we have already seen? Is it a new Link? A generic, composite Link? That's probably up to personal judgement as well...

Thanks for your feedback, Coin!!

I include it in my timeline as well!! ;) (As if you couldn't already tell)...

& I *KNOW* ths may sound crazy, but I think it's *BOTH* OOT & ALTTP :link: (s) since there are certain commanalities to *BOTH* OOT & ALTTP!!

& well, I'm sure you all know where I'm going with this, so I won't even bother saying it, unless someone asks me too, which I don't think is too likely...

& BSLOZ Link as well, & everyone who doesn't like it is free to *IGNORE* this part!! Consider yourselves lucky: I've just given you all a "Get-out-of-Jail-free" card... :floater:
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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& I *KNOW* ths may sound crazy, but I think it's *BOTH* OOT & ALTTP  (s) since there are certain commanalities to *BOTH* OOT & ALTTP!!


Oh I know, I was going to say something about how that wouldn't be a problem for your theories lol It certainly does make choosing a Link for SCII easier, since the game mostly references ALttP and OoT :P
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coinilius,Nov 21 2009
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& I *KNOW* ths may sound crazy, but I think it's *BOTH* OOT & ALTTP  (s) since there are certain commanalities to *BOTH* OOT & ALTTP!!


Oh I know, I was going to say something about how that wouldn't be a problem for your theories lol It certainly does make choosing a Link for SCII easier, since the game mostly references ALttP and OoT :P

Thanks!! ;)

& I still think that it could be used to support my case...!! :floater: :D
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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To quote from a PM I sent to my friend Link the Zora over at ZU:

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SCII isn't canon, Tuf Pic.


Umm, I think this statement is *DEAD WRONG!!* (no offence intended)...

& to refute Casual Matt, it most certainly *DOES* have an effect on the Zelda timeline, & it makes it quite obvious that in the universes where it appears, there is *ONLY 1 Link on the CT!!* :mastahsword:


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Link's a guest character.


Well, the BS-X mascotts could be considered "guest characters" as well, & since many fans, (including yours truly), think that the 2 noteworthy BS Zelda games are canon, that logic is *DEBUNKED!!*

"BS" stands for "Broadcast Sattalaview", & you can find numerous references to it, from various members, including *YOUR'S TRULY!!*

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By your logic, we should assume that the Super Smash Bros series are canon because Link (during his spare time) goes to fight Mario, DK and all the other Nintendo characters (and somehow, his younger self or himself in different colored tunics) including Ganondorf and Princess Zelda herself.


Those don't have a storyline for Link, or any of the other characters, & SC2 *DOES*, so that is faulty logic!!


His response?! :...:

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Hello, Tuf Pic. Haven't seen you in forever. XD

Yeah, SC2 does have a story for Link, because the developers wanted to explain why he was there in the first place.

In the PS2 version of the SC series, we also have Yoda fighting as well. Did Lucas have that as canon? I think not. :P


Irregardless of his response, I still think it counts!! :D
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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He obviously doesn't know the state of the Star Wars Expanded Universe and how their canon works - they'll count anything as canon!

That said, acording to Wookipedia it is actually listed as non-canonical - but, there was a comic produces that tied into the game that was presented under the Infinities banner, which covers alternate universe takes on Star Wars (like Marvel comics old What If? series), so it's actually canonically non-canonical, if that makes sense :P

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coinilius,Feb 14 2010
02:41 AM
That said, acording to Wookipedia it is actually listed as non-canonical - but, there was a comic produces that tied into the game

Wow. Just... wow O_o
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coinilius,Feb 14 2010
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He obviously doesn't know the state of the Star Wars Expanded Universe and how their canon works - they'll count anything as canon!

That said, acording to Wookipedia it is actually listed as non-canonical - but, there was a comic produces that tied into the game that was presented under the Infinities banner, which covers alternate universe takes on Star Wars (like Marvel comics old What If? series), so it's actually canonically non-canonical, if that makes sense :P


I wish they had something like that for Zelda...

Perhaps they do...

Duke Serkol@Feb 14 2010
12:18 PM
Wow. Just... wow  O_o


Umm, what?! @_@
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Unless there was some kind of SC2 manga or something, I doubt there was anything like that done for Zelda, unfortunately.
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There's some doujins for what that matters.
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Tuf would probably find them relevent...
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Duke Serkol,Feb 15 2010
01:44 PM
There's some doujins for what that matters.


Where can I find them?! I did a search, but I couldn't find anything related to Soul Calibur 2 specifically, much less to :link: , but I did find some Sailor Moon & Pokemon related material... B)

Could you post URL's, & I'll keep searching?!

Coinilius@Feb 15 2010
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Unless there was some kind of SC2 manga or something, I doubt there was anything like that done for Zelda, unfortunately.


I'd like to try to make that, & maybe I'll suggest that to Nintendo of Japan when I contact them...

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Tuf would probably find them relevent...


I'm sure I would... ;)
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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*NECRO-BUMP*!! :stalfos:

I thought I would revive this thread...

Why?!

For the following reasons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulcalibur_I...ur_II_HD_Online,

...&...

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/sep/22/...-screenshots/...

Unfortunately, I lost my Gamecube version of SC2, but on the bright side, I have successfully hooked my Wii U to the internet, so I really can't wait!! :link:
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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Funny that given how it's not coming out for Wii U and it won't have Link.
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