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Beta OoT; More talk about OoT's beta stages
Topic Started: Jun 17 2011, 12:14 PM (1,412 Views)
ZethAlkar64
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Ok, I think its time I stepped in on this <.<
First off, -never- believe anything about Zelda64 from fans, they have went completely nuts about that game with rumors. Its why I spent a good portion of my time going through countless Nintendo Powers, or gaming Magazines, looking up videos, etc. Young Link wasn't introduced til later in OOT's development period, which is when they incorporated both. Epona wasn't even introduced til extremely late in the game as well despite it was something the team wanted from the beginning. Navi has always been with Link for a while as well, except the very first Zelda 2 styled link fighting a shiny armor guy tech demo. If you would like, you can read more here, as Iwata goes over OOT's dev history on the N64 just recently.

Part 1
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#...ina-of-time/1/0

Part 2
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#...ina-of-time/2/0

And this isn't the first time, I've had to step in and clear out rumors about stuff, you can read an article here that I wrote about the NPC everyone likes to call "Aria"
http://wiki.spinout182.com/w/Object_human
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That's some interesting information that you provided there, Zeth - I don't think I had seen that that particular beta human had been found.
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coinilius,Jul 4 2011
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That's some interesting information that you provided there, Zeth - I don't think I had seen that that particular beta human had been found.

Yeah object_human's model is soo old, it predates back to when the game was developed for the 64DD and is literally incompatible with OOT as it is. spinout, wrote with xdan a viewer that allowed all her animations within her model to be seen, giving us a peak into the Zelda 64 animations.(OOT NPC final release animations are much better)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPShVQ-_Yvo
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Those are some sandals she's got there.

BTW Zeth, seeing as you've looked so much into beta OoT, can you tell us some juicy information about the original designs for the temples of time and light?
For one, I've heard the Temple of Time was originally (back before the Forest Temple replaced the Wind one) meant to be where the Forest Temple ended up being (much as we see it in Twilight Princess) and that the inside of said Forest Temple was originally conceived as part of Hyrule Castle. Can you confirm or deny this?
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ZethAlkar64,Jul 3 2011
04:41 PM
Ok, I think its time I stepped in on this <.<
First off, -never- believe anything about Zelda64 from fans, they have went completely nuts about that game with rumors. Its why I spent a good portion of my time going through countless Nintendo Powers, or gaming Magazines, looking up videos, etc. Young Link wasn't introduced til later in OOT's development period, which is when they incorporated both. Epona wasn't even introduced til extremely late in the game as well despite it was something the team wanted from the beginning. Navi has always been with Link for a while as well, except the very first Zelda 2 styled link fighting a shiny armor guy tech demo. If you would like, you can read more here, as Iwata goes over OOT's dev history on the N64 just recently.

Part 1
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#...ina-of-time/1/0

Part 2
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#...ina-of-time/2/0

And this isn't the first time, I've had to step in and clear out rumors about stuff, you can read an article here that I wrote about the NPC everyone likes to call "Aria"
http://wiki.spinout182.com/w/Object_human


I vividly remember seeing a storyline of Beta OOT over at Zelda Chronicles, (which doesn't seem to have the information anymore, I'm very displeased to say), that featured only YOUNG :link:

& in that version, he finds the TRIFORCE, like in all of the other Beta Versions...

Can't find much on it anymore... >_< :head explodes:
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ZethAlkar64,Jul 4 2011
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coinilius,Jul 4 2011
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That's some interesting information that you provided there, Zeth - I don't think I had seen that that particular beta human had been found.

Yeah object_human's model is soo old, it predates back to when the game was developed for the 64DD and is literally incompatible with OOT as it is. spinout, wrote with xdan a viewer that allowed all her animations within her model to be seen, giving us a peak into the Zelda 64 animations.(OOT NPC final release animations are much better)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPShVQ-_Yvo

Yeah, that's why I had always figured that the model probably wouldn't even have been in the game any more lol I used to try and keep abreast of all the beta/testing/ect discoveries, but have probably missed a lot of stuff by now...
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ZethAlkar64,Jul 3 2011
04:41 PM
Ok, I think its time I stepped in on this <.<
First off, -never- believe anything about Zelda64 from fans, they have went completely nuts about that game with rumors. Its why I spent a good portion of my time going through countless Nintendo Powers, or gaming Magazines, looking up videos, etc. Young Link wasn't introduced til later in OOT's development period, which is when they incorporated both. Epona wasn't even introduced til extremely late in the game as well despite it was something the team wanted from the beginning. Navi has always been with Link for a while as well, except the very first Zelda 2 styled link fighting a shiny armor guy tech demo. If you would like, you can read more here, as Iwata goes over OOT's dev history on the N64 just recently.

Part 1
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#...ina-of-time/1/0

Part 2
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#...ina-of-time/2/0

And this isn't the first time, I've had to step in and clear out rumors about stuff, you can read an article here that I wrote about the NPC everyone likes to call "Aria"
http://wiki.spinout182.com/w/Object_human


I vividly remember seeing a storyline of Beta OOT over at Zelda Chronicles, (which doesn't seem to have the information anymore, I'm very displeased to say), that featured only YOUNG :link:

& in that version, he finds the TRIFORCE, like in all of the other Beta Versions...

Can't find much on it anymore... >_< :head explodes:

First off, -never- believe anything about Zelda64 from fans
Trust me, there was never just a young link story line, there was only an adult one, then when young link was introduced, there was a young and adult link intertwined story line, which is where OOT took direction fully.
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ZethAlkar64,Jul 3 2011
04:41 PM
Ok, I think its time I stepped in on this <.<
First off, -never- believe anything about Zelda64 from fans, they have went completely nuts about that game with rumors. Its why I spent a good portion of my time going through countless Nintendo Powers, or gaming Magazines, looking up videos, etc. Young Link wasn't introduced til later in OOT's development period, which is when they incorporated both. Epona wasn't even introduced til extremely late in the game as well despite it was something the team wanted from the beginning. Navi has always been with Link for a while as well, except the very first Zelda 2 styled link fighting a shiny armor guy tech demo. If you would like, you can read more here, as Iwata goes over OOT's dev history on the N64 just recently.

Part 1
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#...ina-of-time/1/0

Part 2
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#...ina-of-time/2/0

And this isn't the first time, I've had to step in and clear out rumors about stuff, you can read an article here that I wrote about the NPC everyone likes to call "Aria"
http://wiki.spinout182.com/w/Object_human


I vividly remember seeing a storyline of Beta OOT over at Zelda Chronicles, (which doesn't seem to have the information anymore, I'm very displeased to say), that featured only YOUNG :link:

& in that version, he finds the TRIFORCE, like in all of the other Beta Versions...

Can't find much on it anymore... >_< :head explodes:


First off, -never- believe anything about Zelda64 from fans
Trust me, there was never just a young link story line, there was only an adult one, then when young link was introduced, there was a young and adult link intertwined story line, which is where OOT took direction fully.


http://www.zeldac.com/the-legend-of-zelda/...force-rumors/...

Note the 5th picture: is THAT FAKED?!

It looks rather real to me... :P

& even if there WAS ONLY a young/adult, & an adult version(s) of OOT, he could STILL BE A CHILD OF THE FOREST!!

& even if there wasn't, couldn't anybody MAKE A VERSION, with ONLY YOUNG LINK?!

Perhaps I could persuade Nintendo to help?! :D

Then it WOULD BE CANON ANYWAYS!!

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08:41 PM
http://www.zeldac.com/the-legend-of-zelda/...force-rumors/...

Note the 5th picture: is THAT FAKED?!

Bad URL, it redirects to an OoT walkthrough. Here's the actual link.

And yes, that screenshot is totally fake. It was made with a cheating device after the game was released.


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SmashManiac,Jul 7 2011
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http://www.zeldac.com/the-legend-of-zelda/...force-rumors/...

Note the 5th picture: is THAT FAKED?!

Bad URL, it redirects to an OoT walkthrough. Here's the actual link.

And yes, that screenshot is totally fake. It was made with a cheating device after the game was released.

Correction, that was photoshoped, not actually hacked ingame.

Also here is a video that should help solve that issue with the photo:
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ZethAlkar64,Jul 7 2011
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SmashManiac,Jul 7 2011
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http://www.zeldac.com/the-legend-of-zelda/...force-rumors/...

Note the 5th picture: is THAT FAKED?!

Bad URL, it redirects to an OoT walkthrough. Here's the actual link.

And yes, that screenshot is totally fake. It was made with a cheating device after the game was released.

Correction, that was photoshoped, not actually hacked ingame.

Also here is a video that should help solve that issue with the photo:
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My bad, I mixed up the content of the beginning of the video with its end. ^_^'


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Okay, sorry, my bad, but... IS THIS IMAGE FAKED?!

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I sincerely doubt that it doesn't imply a radically altered storyline from the final... :link: :D

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Hmm...Well, what can I say. It's Young Link with the Master Sword equipped and items that are only available to Adult Link equipped to the C-buttons. He even has THE LIGHT ARROW which we all know you only get close to very end of the game! But he doesn't seem to have enough hearts to be at the end of the game. He's of course at the infamous spot at the bottom of Gerudo Ravine where the gerudo, crate, cow, and bean planting spot is. What was Nintendo Power thinking when they printed this image? It must be another pre-production image, but it can't be too long ago because the map isn't transparent like some of the older screenshot have it. And this change (for what purpose I have no idea) wasn't made until very late in development.


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...pMI7ksQO434XYDQ,

...&, it's companion URL:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...I7ksQO434XYDQ...
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Okay, sorry, my bad, but... IS THIS IMAGE FAKED?!

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I can confirm the source: Nintendo Power vol 117 page 10. ­About 3 months after the game's release.

But no, it doesn't imply a radically different storyline. All it implies is that, at some point, young Link could equip those items. As far as I know, it's possible that young Link could use the items gathered by adult Link. Or maybe this scene was never supposed to happen at all, but could be reached through debug features.

For example, I remember a weird bug in one of the first games I tested as QA tester which happened if you didn't pick up a certain item. After filling a bug report, the programmer told me this happened because I skipped the level it was in through the debug menu and must be picked up to complete it. Oops.

To summarize, it's not because it's possible to do something on a debug build that it's possible to do the same thing on a release build.


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Yeah, we have already discussed that image and it really doesn't suggest much about a 'radically different' storyline.
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Okay, sorry, my bad, but... IS THIS IMAGE FAKED?!

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I sincerely doubt that it doesn't imply a radically altered storyline from the final... :link: :D

Nope, its not fake, however it just shows that Nintendo Power was using the Debug Build of OOT, see depending on the age switch during the map select, whatever items you have equipped at the time, will show up for either age.

This image is the map select you get from selecting file 1, down below you can see the age representation for young link.
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Since I was using Adult link last with his items selected, choosing young link adds his items to the HUD which means it can be choosen to be used, not all of them work btw. Hookshot freezes, the megaton hammer loads an invisible object. Its just by pure luck that it doesn't crash btw. :P
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