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Beta OoT; More talk about OoT's beta stages
Topic Started: Jun 17 2011, 12:14 PM (1,411 Views)
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@Zeth: Even if Nintendo didn't originally try to make a storyline with ONLY YOUNG LINK, you WERE the person who suggested someone make a hack of BS Kamigami No Triforce with the BS-X Mascotts, instead of Link, so maybe something similar could be done with Beta OOT!!

& I am fairly certain that it is in an alternate universe, anyways!!

EDIT: Also, when I saw the storyline that you say doesn't actually exist, the site didn't go crazy saying that the Triforce could be found in the FINAL VERSION, & it was mostly accurate, & it even had quite a bit of information on BS ZELDA!! B)

Could they have at least CONTEMPLATED ON IT?!
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Tuffy, Tuffy, Tuffy... you do realize that just because quantum mechanics tells us that: "Any and all realities may exist outside of our own universe..." you've forgotten the most important part.

You're in THIS reality. Meaning that you can't use "Alternate Universes!" as a trump card, and have it mean anything. Until you can create a dimensional tuner to allow you to alter your own quantum state, and enter the universes you desire, to play the game YOUR way, with a half-Kokiri Link, and him in ALL the Zelda games, you just have to sit back and play what's before you.

Seriously. Chill it with all that "alternate universe" garbage. It's insulting to those who actually understand how quantum mechanics really works.
I'm officially retired from beta testing, and resign my duties to those who have the time to do it.
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Terra Branford,Jul 10 2011
05:30 PM
Tuffy, Tuffy, Tuffy... you do realize that just because quantum mechanics tells us that: "Any and all realities may exist outside of our own universe..." you've forgotten the most important part.

You're in THIS reality. Meaning that you can't use "Alternate Universes!" as a trump card, and have it mean anything. Until you can create a dimensional tuner to allow you to alter your own quantum state, and enter the universes you desire, to play the game YOUR way, with a half-Kokiri Link, and him in ALL the Zelda games, you just have to sit back and play what's before you.

Seriously. Chill it with all that "alternate universe" garbage. It's insulting to those who actually understand how quantum mechanics really works.


1) Fine...

2) I'm pretty positive I could use a "dimensional tuner", &/or use Astral Projection, to get to the universes I want, & maybe even go to Hyrule, as that falls under the "any-&-all" category, as well as the worlds where Zelda is MERELY a video game...

...&...

3) I do NOT believe ALL OF THE LINKS ARE THE SAME: certainly TWW :link: is OBVIOUSLY a seperate character for instance...

Oh, & just for the record: they don't nesseccarily have to be OUTSIDE OF US...

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Curiously, Jean E. Charon, a theoretical physicist at the university of Paris, in his seminal work on unifying all four physical interactions (the gravitational force, the electrmagnetic force, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force) posited that all matter has consciousness. Every atomic particle exists in hidden dimensions in its own imaginary microuniverse, has conciousness, & appears holographically as a point in our own universe, according to Charon.
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"Nothing you can say will ever convince me that the Zelda, Link & Impa of OOTURA, ALTTPGBA, SC2, BSLOZ, & OOX are different characters, or that Link isn't part Kokiri, FOR SOME Zelda Universes and that the mangas aren't canon FOR SOME alternate realities."

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TFTW ^_^

I think quantum mechanics more or less tell us that there are universes possible underlying different natural (physical) laws than that universe we experience. All in all I think our universe is something like a "miracle" because it enables the development of life, which were not possible in the form we have if only one law was different. For example if only the anormality of water wasn't given, oceans would freeze from the ground and the earth would be lifeless.

Back to alternative possibilities. Everything is underlying a causal circumstance of cause and effect. If you, Tuffy argue with alternative developments in our universe, of course there are unlimited alternative action strains. However, I personally do not believe in those different action strains because there may only exist a "present", the moment you are living: The past is the cause, the future is the effect. Since there is only a present present in our universe, there cannot be any alternative action strains - at least in my point of view -_-

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...dammit guys, I already split this topic once!

:P
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Duke Serkol,Jul 10 2011
11:04 PM
...dammit guys, I already split this topic once!

:P

I think we should get back on topic. :3

I do have a question for you guys, what do you think the Unicorn Fountain did in the Beta of OOT?
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Dunno, at
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Unicorn_Fountain

they speak about the sword beam and the triforce which was able to learn / aquire there.
The sword beam is interesting because this one is completely missing in OoT and only performable in MM with the Fierce Deity's Mask.
Maybe they left it out in OoT to not let the game become too easy and the use of arrows needless; but when the use is coupled on magic this problem won't occur.

Possible is also a unicorn-upgrade for Epona :)'

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What you're asking US? Aren't you supposed to be the expert?

I'm kidding of course ;)

Personally, my best guess would be that you had to slide the unicorn statues into a certain pattern in order for the Iron Boots' treasure chest to appear. Much like you had to toss those horse heads in LA so they'd stand properly.
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Duke Serkol,Jul 13 2011
12:02 PM
What you're asking US? Aren't you supposed to be the expert?

I'm kidding of course ;)

Personally, my best guess would be that you had to slide the unicorn statues into a certain pattern in order for the Iron Boots' treasure chest to appear. Much like you had to toss those horse heads in LA so they'd stand properly.

Well its more I personally want to get your guy's ideas and thoughts on it rather then what someone threw on the Zelda wiki. That's the funny thing though about the UF, its use really has honestly never been mentioned by official Nintendo sources and I haven't found any gaming magazines mentioning its information either. This whole thing about a sword beam(Which is gift by the great fairy btw) and getting the Triforce idea just doesn't make sense.
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ZethAlkar64,Jul 13 2011
07:56 PM
Well its more I personally want to get your guy's ideas and thoughts on it rather then what someone threw on the Zelda wiki.

I'll consider myself flattered then ^_^

And yeah, clearly had nothing to do with the Triforce.

Anyway, if you want to get back on topic, my earlier question is still pending
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can you tell us anything about the original designs for the temples of time and light?
For one, I've heard the Temple of Time was originally (back before the Forest Temple replaced the Wind one) meant to be where the Forest Temple ended up being (much as we see it in Twilight Princess) and that the inside of said Forest Temple was originally conceived as part of Hyrule Castle. Can you confirm or deny this?
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Duke Serkol,Jul 13 2011
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ZethAlkar64,Jul 13 2011
07:56 PM
Well its more I personally want to get your guy's ideas and thoughts on it rather then what someone threw on the Zelda wiki.

I'll consider myself flattered then ^_^

And yeah, clearly had nothing to do with the Triforce.

Anyway, if you want to get back on topic, my earlier question is still pending
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can you tell us anything about the original designs for the temples of time and light?
For one, I've heard the Temple of Time was originally (back before the Forest Temple replaced the Wind one) meant to be where the Forest Temple ended up being (much as we see it in Twilight Princess) and that the inside of said Forest Temple was originally conceived as part of Hyrule Castle. Can you confirm or deny this?

The Temple of Time's location was indeed in the sacred forest meadow. There is old exit data in the Temple of Time that leads back to the Sacred Forest Meadow. Also plus a couple official Nintendo articles talk about Princess Zelda knew of the location of the Temple of Time as it was hidden in the "maze woods" (before it was renamed to lost woods).
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Ah, didn't know about these articles. Good to have several pieces of evidence.
Do you think this could serve as indication that the Forest Temple as we know it may originally have started out as Hyrule Castle only to be repurposed when the Temple of Time got moved out of the woods (resulting in a void of content tht had to be filled somehow)
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Back to the unicorn spring, do you already have an idea what you want to place there? If I refer to ALTTP, an unused (fairy) spring there contained the golden bee if I remember correctly.

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@Zeth: I have a question: if there was no YOUNG LINK ONLY version, then how do you explain this image?!

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I'm pretty sure that this is 1 of the images I had seen on the list of the Beta Storylines that I mentioned earlier, & this seems to be at the beginning of the game, & he doesn't seem to have his fairy yet, & while that may seem to contradict my claims, refer to the first page of my "OOT Beta Storyline", & it seems to me that he was going to recieve her in a ceremony...

Almost all of the information I saw on that site was highly credible... :D

EDIT: & before anyone points out the sword icon, in the final version, he has his fairy with him when he obtains the sword, so it seems like a somewhat different storyline...
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SmashManiac,Jul 8 2011
05:00 AM
Or maybe this scene was never supposed to happen at all, but could be reached through debug features.
ZethAlkar64,Jul 8 2011
10:26 AM
its not fake, however it just shows that Nintendo Power was using the Debug Build of OOT
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