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| Duke Serkol | Jun 28 2012, 11:29 PM Post #1 |
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Where'd that Princess go?
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If you guys head off to the site, you will find that the Storyline section is now quite different. Seeing as timeline theorizing is now a pointless exercise (or more so than before :P), I decided to rethink the section entirely making it smaller and more functional to the site's purpose and needs. Because we now have all the information we could ever want and more (complete translations of both BS Zeldas and word of God from the authors) I don't believe there will ever be a need to make any more changes to it (other than to add links to said translations). As such, this can well be considered the final update. Like I said in the main page, I had a great time working on this section. It was how I originally got onboard the site to begin with after all. But after all these years, I'm glad to put the word END on it. If anything because Spirit Tracks, Skyward Sword and Hyrule Historia have pretty much sickened me to the point that I can't honestly stand to work on this subject anymore. But don't let my bitterness stop you from checking out and enjoying the new storyline section. I think you'll find it informative and quick to read through (the latter definitely not being an attribute of the old one). Have fun!
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| Tuf Pic | Jul 7 2012, 04:54 AM Post #2 |
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*The Thread Necromancer*!!!! :stalfos:
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I have very mixed feelings about the official timeline... For me, my theories NEVER DIE!! ![]() Ah well, at least they put TMC FIRST... ![]() EDIT: & as for LA happening @the same time as AST... well: http://z9.invisionfree.com/bszelda/index.p...wtopic=1005&hl= |
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| Tuf Pic | Feb 15 2013, 02:58 AM Post #3 |
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*The Thread Necromancer*!!!! :stalfos:
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Also, not sure if anyone responded to this youtube video when I first posted it, but, just to be sure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1TSpfPFNlE It gives good reasons why there SHOULD BE AN EXPANDED UNIVERSE FOR ZELDA... Also, Serkol, I seem to recall, from reading a certain post on the Zelda Universe Forums, that in Hyrule Historia, it says that specifically gets defeated by THE GERUDO KING HIMSELF, for the Downfall Timeline to get created!!Which means that Twinrova's quote saying: , most certainly IS evidence for Ocarina of Time, & Oracles Link to be the same, as well as others... & I know you don't want me to keep saying this, but AOL would have been the PERFECT chance for Twinrova to kidnap Link, & the male Hero of Light, & for the girls to rescue the boys, because, look @ the way they, (the Gerudo), treat men/boys in Ocarina of Time, (I believe that 1 of the imprisoned carpenters said it best, when he said something along the lines of "They threw us into prison, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE MEN!!), & demonic witches SHOULD KIDNAP BOYS, because, that's the way it is in a lot of fairytales, (arguably the majority), also, the male villains in Zelda, (Vire, Vaati, Ghiriam, Ganon[dorf], & Agahnim), almost without exception kidnap FEMALES, so why should we follow the same old cliches when it comes to female villains, although, granted, Twinrova DO kidnap Nabooru, but that should NOT HAPPEN AS OFTEN AS THEY SHOULD VICTIMIZE BOYS!! Also, they even TALK ABOUT OFFERING HIM AS A SACRIFICE!! WHO BETTER?! ![]() & maybe if they were to do that in a remake of Zelda 2, then maybe sacrificing Farore in Oracles wouldn't be so bad, although an even BETTER idea would be to let players CHOOSE who Twinrova kidnaps, instead of forcing an ending down our throats that some of us may HATE, by having a crucial choice earlier on, &, depending on our choice, either Zelda, (*shudders*), Farore, or Link could be sacrificed, much in the same way that they did with Ricky, Moosh, & Dimitri... That would probably make EVERYBODY LIKE ORACLES TO THE MAXIMUM, (INCLUDING ME)!! Here's how I think the current Zelda + the female Hero of Light could rescue the male heroes in an Adventure of Link remake: Zelda could be the 1 to tell the heroes about the ancient slumbering Zelda, & Impa could have her own town, (where she would teach the SHADOW SPELL, which would let you turn into a shadow, & avoid most/many enemies, which would remove a lot of headache about the game, anyways, also makes more sense in terms of Ocarina of Time), & the male heroes would fight in the beginning, & later get kidnapped, (perhaps several times?!), by Twinrova, (or at least with their help), @ which point the player would switch to the heroine's perspective(s), & would try to prevent the boys from being sacrificed (time limit, perhaps?!)... & then when the heroines confront the Sorceress Sisters, they would defeat them, rescue the boys, BUT, Twinrova would escape, like Agahnim, & vow to return, & then open up a portal to the Dark Realm, & make the pact with Veran & Onox!! Sound good to you?! Wow, that was a mouthful!! |
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| Duke Serkol | Feb 16 2013, 07:14 PM Post #4 |
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No. But I can agree that... it definitely can be described as such
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| Terra Branford | Feb 16 2013, 11:57 PM Post #5 |
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Officially retired
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Where is the "Like" button for this post? |
| I'm officially retired from beta testing, and resign my duties to those who have the time to do it. | |
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| Tuf Pic | Feb 17 2013, 10:10 PM Post #6 |
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*The Thread Necromancer*!!!! :stalfos:
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1) Wouldn't letting players CHOOSE THEIR OWN ENDING BE BETTER?! ![]() 2) Well, at least we can agree on the obvious!!
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| Duke Serkol | Feb 18 2013, 12:47 AM Post #7 |
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Not if there isn't a solid reason for the differences. If the chosen vessel of Ganon was determined by something completely unrelated it would be really random and an example of poor storytelling. And that's not to mention the effect multiple endings have in an ongoing series. Do the authors arbitrarily decide which one actually happened for reference in future games? (This usually works if the endings are in various degrees of accomplishment for the hero from worse to best, but obviously that's not what you have in mind here) Do they restrict themselves to being vague about it, possibly creating narrative obstacles to future titles? You could say, well let's just have them be different timeline branches. Groovy. Imagine that each new installment in the series did that. Try and multiply the total number of Zelda games by three. That's how many timelines we'd have by now, most of which left completely unexplored. So yeah, query: Does it sound good? Response: No. |
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| Tuf Pic | Feb 19 2013, 01:49 AM Post #8 |
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*The Thread Necromancer*!!!! :stalfos:
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This PM I sent to a friend on Zelda Universe says it all:
Wouldn't naming the 3 flames something like the following... DESTRUCTION, (Can't argue with this, seeing as destruction is a negative outcome/attribute of POWER), Ignorance/Deception/Deceit, (Here's where we start running into MAJOR problems, as "sorrow" has very little to do with the Goddess Nayru, & Ignorance, Deception, or Deceit would work just as well, considering that Veran was DECEIVING THE QUEEN, & THE PEOPLE OF LABRYNNA, into building the Black Tower, & turning the common folk against Nayru, respectively, so it actually fits into the plot of Oracle of Ages rather well), Terror/Fear/Dread, (Twinrova could just FRIGHTEN THE PEOPLE INTO REVIVING GANON, now couldn't they?! That would work equally as well as despair, if not BETTER!! They could also attempt to SUMMON THE TRIFORCE, & do the reverse of what did @ the end of A Link to the Past, i.e. they could wish away all of the GOOD that the heroines/heroes did, in addition to reviving the Demon King?!),make more sense?! EDIT: Thus, Farore or Link WOULD BE BETTER CHOICES!! |
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| Duke Serkol | Feb 19 2013, 04:38 PM Post #9 |
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Yeah, I myself have had the same thoughts you expressed in this last post concerning the flames. Obviously, when the plan was to have three games, the purple flame would instead have been green, yes. Odds are though that at the end of the third game, Zelda would still have been kidnapped to be used as a vessel for Ganon's revival since otherwise she would have had nothing to do throughout the entire thing. Rather what I often wonder about is... if the villains of Oracles represent the twisting of the three virtues of the Goddesses, with Onox being all destructive power and Veran being a deceiver... what would the third villain have acted like? Would he have been brash and unpredictable? Or focused on striking fear into the populace? |
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| Tuf Pic | Feb 20 2013, 01:08 AM Post #10 |
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*The Thread Necromancer*!!!! :stalfos:
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Ah well, at least we're beginning to see eye-to-eye on this matter!! ![]() But I still assert that Twinrova should AT LEAST sacrifice the male heroes in a version of AOL... (Just look @ the way the Gerudo tend to treat most males, aside from Ganondorf, in Ocarina Of Time, for starters)...
& I actually think letting the players choose a linked ending would be A GOOD THING!! & couldn't it have been a female villain, even back then?! & if I had to guess, I'd say that they would be trying to strike FEAR INTO PEOPLE'S HEARTS, rather than DESPAIR!! Because that would more closely mirror the Triforce's virtues, IN REVERSE!! & perhaps Zelda could have another role, (maybe something like in the manga, where she telepathically contacts Link fighting Ganon)?! & I hardly see how Zelda would have been kidnapped in the scenario we are discussing, because, SHE DOES NOT CORRESPOND TO THE GODDESS, FARORE, OR HER COLOR, OR FOR THAT MATTER, HER ATTRIBUTE!! |
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| Duke Serkol | Feb 20 2013, 11:55 AM Post #11 |
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And there you go being crazy again. Ah well, I knew it couldn't last
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| Tuf Pic | Feb 20 2013, 10:39 PM Post #12 |
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*The Thread Necromancer*!!!! :stalfos:
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Let's just agree to disagree on my previous post then... ![]() BTW, I don't think my previous post was a BIT CRAZY!!
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| Tuf Pic | Feb 25 2013, 11:07 PM Post #13 |
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Serkol: Do you think having different pets, (i.e. Ricky, Moosh, or Dimitri), depending on certain choices made by the player earlier on in the story was an example of "bad storytelling"?! Because that's basically what I had in mind for the linked ending of Oracles... I mean, as I stated earlier, BOYS NEED TO BE KIDNAPPED MORE OFTEN, & especially when it comes to TWINROVA, (although, to be fair to OOX, they DID kidnap Nabooru), & other female villains!! ![]() Although, maybe this is Twinrova: http://zeldawiki.org/Mago Who knows, maybe fought an ICE MAGO, & we just never got to see her in-game!!
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| Tuf Pic | Aug 10 2013, 09:36 PM Post #14 |
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...Forgot to post this quote...
Seriously... WHO BETTER to kidnap ?!Not only do at least some of the Gerudo tended to treat almost all most men/boys with scorn, BUT TWINROVA even TALK ABOUT OFFERING LINK AS A SACRIFICE... ![]() Besides which, evil witches IN GENERAL, (& other female villains), usually victimize YOUNG MALES IN MYTHOLOGY/FOLKLORE/FAIRY TALES... Also, the male villains in Zelda ALWAYS kidnap females, (even in Colin's case, STILL ILIA GOT KIDNAPPED)... & I actually LIKED Zelda's fighting style, in Super Smash Bros. Melee!! ![]() Not to mention, even in AOL, neither the sleeping Zelda, nor the 1 from (BS)LOZ got sacrificed: LINK WAS, &, (if a sequel to the original BS Zelda were to eventually be made) also possibly the male Hero of Light... Also, about my idea to split the Linked Ending into 3 parts, it was inspired by the concept of choosing either Ricky, Moosh, or Dimitri... That was 1 aspect of OOX I actually DID like... & there would probably be a multitude of Zelda timelines irregardless, because, Link could die in any game, so there would be more than 1 "downfall timeline"... Besides which, do you think that choosing either Ricky, Moosh, or Dimitri, depending on choices made earlier in either game, was an example of "bad storytelling"?! |
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| Duke Serkol | Aug 11 2013, 07:20 PM Post #15 |
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Tuf, it's over. Hyrule Historia makes it pointless to debate the storyline. Just... let it go. |
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specifically gets defeated by THE GERUDO KING HIMSELF, for the Downfall Timeline to get created!!


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