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My timeline; Attempting to fit the BS games in
Topic Started: Jan 12 2013, 08:03 PM (4,923 Views)
KiddoCabbusses
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Con,Feb 19 2013
11:47 AM
As far as I see it, they aren't in different timelines relative to Zelda canon. At least AST takes place after the happenings of ALTTP while Link is asleep (LA).
According to all agreements, LoZ takes place in a time after ALTTP (different hero does not play a role here). We know that time goes different in Earth and Hyrule time so it must be the same Hero of Light fighting in both BSLoZ and AST, which is also supported by the fact that the mascot is imaging the player, means you.

Since the player character is already established as someone who has travelled between both time and dimensions, whether or not it's the same character has absolutely no bearing on whether or not BSLoZ and AST would be in the same timeline or dimension - except for, as I mentioned, the fact that BSLoZ Ganon would surely recognize the character, but shows no outward sign of having done so in BSLoZ nor any shake-up to his scheme that would suggest that is the case. If anything, that in and of itself works -against- the idea that the two games take place in the same timeline.

On a random note, I'd also take it that BS LoZ takes place in a timeline where LttP (And thus AST) never happened, considering the narrative uses LttP's Imprisoning War as a background but makes no other references to LttP's plot. Ah, the things a lazy narrative can spawn...
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Who says the narrative is lazy? We only have the narrative from one week.
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ethanland,Feb 19 2013
08:13 PM
Who says the narrative is lazy? We only have the narrative from one week.

Yeah, I wish we had the videos of the introduction to the other weeks <_<

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KiddoCabbusses
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We'd be lucky if we even had an audio difference between the weeks, and I take it the only reason Sekiban's was changed was because too many people thought Zelda's nightmare was akin to a rape scene.

As for the narrative to BS Zelda being "lazy", I state it as such because it just copies a piece from LttP haphazardly for plot background, isn't as detailed as NES Zelda's backstory, and leaves a decent amount of questions ("Where's Link?", "Why can't Ganon unite the Triforce himself if he has all the pieces?", "Why didn't Ganon try to cut off the player's power source right at the beginning?") unanswered. Although to be fair, "lazy" probably isn't the best word to describe it, since I have some suspicion that BS Zelda was announced, developed and released all in the span of Summer 1995, making "rushed together" perhaps the better term...
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the only reason Sekiban's was changed was because too many people thought Zelda's nightmare was akin to a rape scene.

Yeah, out of context that does sound like a rape scene. But why would it get changed if it was a video of a rebroadcast? Wouldn't it get changed the first broadcast and then it would stay the same for rebroadcasts?
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KiddoCabbusses
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If you mean that you'd expect St.GIGA to have tried to ret-goned that version of the audio out of existence, then... actually, I kinda get that. It'd probably have been easy to swap out the original audio in place of the Dai-2-wa through Dai-4-wa audio...

Man, questions, questions...
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http://www.zeldauniverse.net/wp-content/up..._timeline21.jpg

Heh, looks like someone had the same idea as me :)
(Well, sort of)
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Your's much better and more complete ;)
Are you going to make a revision of your your last version? As pm:ed there's the cd-i missing which were part of your first version and we can publish it on the site if you like.

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That'd be because Joe's wasn't just for the lulz.

What was it we were throwing around as a possible update? Something like this?

ALttP-OoX-LA/AST-Timeline split

A ) Triforce of Courage hidden, Zelda put into eternal sleep-LoZ-G&W-AoL
B ) Triforce of Courage hidden-Link doesn't show up-BSLoZ
C ) Triforce of Courage hidden-Cartoon-Comic-CD-i games

and for TWW's timeline
TWW/NT-Tingle's Balloon Fight-PH-ST-Tingle's games

...also no Smash Bros, plskthx.


That would be something I'd be happy to put on the site :)
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Of course timelines can be discussed,...
...however, I think in the end there are as many timeline speculations as people are on world, so I would not like to restrict Joe to any interpretation - except that one he regards as the true one as he is the author. The pic in any case looks marvellous B)

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As pm:ed there's the cd-i missing which were part of your first version and we can publish it on the site if you like.
Oh yeah, I forgot to add those to that one. I'll upload my "final" version when I get a chance.

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  Your's much better and more complete ;)

Thanks ^_^

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ALttP-OoX-LA/AST-Timeline split

A ) Triforce of Courage hidden, Zelda put into eternal sleep-LoZ-G&W-AoL
B ) Triforce of Courage hidden-Link doesn't show up-BSLoZ
C ) Triforce of Courage hidden-Cartoon-Comic-CD-i games

and for TWW's timeline
TWW/NT-Tingle's Balloon Fight-PH-ST-Tingle's games



Also Links crossbow training after TP. And I think we should put Navi trackers after WW and just consider the appearance of the king of red lions not canon.

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...also no Smash Bros, plskthx.


Of course. I don't know what I was thinking when I put that in ^_^
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Oh yeah, I forgot to add those to that one. I'll upload my "final" version when I get a chance.

Great :) You can email me the version to guarantee no quality loss if you like. But maybe you should post the version for a preview first here to ensure all are satisfied ^_^

Any news with the wii yet?

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joesteve1914,Mar 6 2013
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ALttP-OoX-LA/AST-Timeline split

A ) Triforce of Courage hidden, Zelda put into eternal sleep-LoZ-G&W-AoL
B ) Triforce of Courage hidden-Link doesn't show up-BSLoZ
C ) Triforce of Courage hidden-Cartoon-Comic-CD-i games

and for TWW's timeline
TWW/NT-Tingle's Balloon Fight-PH-ST-Tingle's games


Also Links crossbow training after TP.

Glad we agree and yeah, naturally Crossbow Training goes there, I didn't mention it since you already had it in place where it belongs :)

Oh also, minor correction to what I previously said:
C ) Triforce of Courage hidden-Cartoon-Link recovers the Triforce of Courage and is chosen by it-Comic-CD-i games

(Like I mentioned before, in the comic it was the "present day Zelda" of LoZ that had been put into eternal sleep by Ganon and then saved by Link; so AoL kinda happened only not quite... just like LoZ seeing as Link is there to fight Ganon but the latter was never killed and the Triforce of Power never recovered)

Should we do something with Soul Calibur II?
It's got a plot and unlike Smash Bros, with its World of Trophies, the one that appears in it is intended to be a real Link from actual Hyrule.
Still maybe it's better to leave it out on account of it being impossible to determine for sure where it should go (be it after MM, after ALttP or OoX, after TP... or just anywhere with a Link of its own).

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And I think we should put Navi trackers after WW and just consider the appearance of the king of red lions not canon.

So long as it comes directly after TWW (and not after PH) it should be fine. There's many characters from the Great Sea in it and it would make little sense for Link and Tetra to go back there after PH (unless they just briefly did so to lead everyone to their newly discovered land... which I think would be long after testing Link's skills like they do in NT). So even if you don't want it to happen during TWW, it makes the most sense for it to be immediately after the ending when Link and Tetra set sail again but before they actually leave familiar waters.
Plus, NT got released way before PH was.
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Great  You can email me the version to guarantee no quality loss if you like. But maybe you should post the version for a preview first here to ensure all are satisfied  


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Love it B) especially that you took my idea of the hero defeated to canon bszelda.

However, the two times hero successful is somewhat odd when it comes to the cartoons. Is it possible to make this branch as in the former pic 'zelda escapes before the hero rescues her' and renounce on the successful in this branch?

Also you are telling in this branch that zelda is asleep. This is wrong as far I know, she's awake in the cartoons.

Also I liked the connection between ast and la that you made in your last version to indicate that both games are happening parallel.

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