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D/P legends
Topic Started: May 16 2008, 11:26 PM (673 Views)
Midnight	May 16 2008, 11:26 PM Post #1
My steps lead to darkness... Posts: 163 Group: Member Member #7,088 Joined: April 27, 2008 Gender Female	This has got to be getting rediculous. I mean 13 legendarys? And half of them are either pointless, ugly, or both! For my first demonstation I'll use Shaymin. Let's see... cute... virtually no backround story... This one isn't fit to be a legend. Demonstration #2 Regigias. Ugly... pointless... Horrible ability and moveset... This one shouldn't exist. Final demonstration: Giratina. Ugly... pointless... Although it's strong(I'll give it that much), The D/P duo didn't need it. The third 4th generation game should have Uxie, Mespirit, or Azelf as mascots. Imagine Pokemon Topaz, Aquameine, or Amethist. Yeah my point is: We don't need more legendarys after this. Legendays aren't speacial any more. I'm very dissappointed in Game Freak.
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Hazelnut	May 17 2008, 12:24 AM Post #2
Posts: 137 Group: MC Moderator Member #1,324 Joined: September 16, 2007	Um.. this is SO not debate. The debate board is for stuff like wars and politics, not this. Until someone moves this, though, I would like to say that I too this this is madness. It's not Game Freak's fault, though. They just make the games. However, it's not really anyone's fault. Want to know why? It's because some fans (mostly ones under twelve) love legendaries to death, and pressure them into making more. So they had to, because pokemon has basically gone to the kids now. <<;



Avielus	May 17 2008, 01:22 AM Post #3
Flee. Posts: 152 Group: Member Member #2,309 Joined: November 12, 2007	Yep, too many legendaries. I tend to avoid using them in favor of other pokemon, but it's like Hazel said. The game's gone to the kids, the kids love legendaries, and Gamefreak loves money. It's actually a lot worse in D/P, though. Usually it's only the two main legendaries and the 3 sub-legendaries per game division(G/S, R/S(except for Regis/Rayquaza), D/P)... but now there are just too many.
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Midnight	May 17 2008, 01:36 PM Post #4
My steps lead to darkness... Posts: 163 Group: Member Member #7,088 Joined: April 27, 2008 Gender Female	Then can someone move this? I just don't think legendarys are speacial any more. All they basicly do is give you somthing to do after the game. :<_<:
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Pointy	May 17 2008, 03:34 PM Post #5
jesus Posts: 270 Group: Member Member #14 Joined: August 25, 2006	Hmm, I'd have to agree with the fact that there are a lot of legendaries. But I actually really like a lot of the legendaries' designs. The only one I really find ugly is Heatran D: well, the only reason I catch legendaries is because I like to show them off, and sometimes I use them to cheat in battles xD so uh



Illegible	May 17 2008, 08:01 PM Post #6
Unregistered	Must I always be the antithesis? You're all missing a few crucial points here. First off, legendaries come in many ~~flavours~~ tiers. I do not rank Heatran alongside Dialga...DP has a lot to do with the demipokegods, and they have to include the 'normal' or 'Earthly' legendaries alongside the cosmic beasts (the Beast of a Thousand Galaxies shot). Think about it~we have never, ever had any godly pkmn before. I'm not here to debate pkmn religion (because I'll win every time), but Mew does not count. It has no place in DP...it has a small piece of the puzzle. We're talking about Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus. Now then, you say there is no backstory to Shaymin. FYI, the world of the un-nerdy JUST learned of Shaymin's existence. Oh yeah, I'm gonna tell you about a pkmn that supposedly does not exist yet. Nnnnnno. Furtnermore, we cannot judge them until after the next movie: we don't know much about Shaymin, Regigigas, or Giratina. We are lacking a huge chunk of the puzzle. Did we know anything about Suicune until Crystal? No. Without Crystal version, there was no distinction between Raikou+Entei and Suicune, for it is Eusine (IIRC...or one of the sages) who says that Suicune is closest to Ho-oh. There were no Crystal Bells in GS. You see, they keep the story from us to keep our interest when the nearly identical game comes out. So what is a legendary? It's loosely-defined, given that there is a huge leap from Deoxys, a COMMON pkmn in space (thank you, movie 7), to Arceus, where there is clearly only one (haha, now if there were two, then that would be a cool story...wait. That's not possible...). I, for one, happen to adore the Latis. They are numerous. We know that there are many Articunos, and Zapdos has been seen multiple times, as well (the lake and the movie, at least). Those pkmna re one-offs in the game for game design purposes; make the powerful ones limited and test the players on-his-or-her-toesedness[/that'safunwordxD]. The movie clearly illustrated the vulnerabilites of the Latis...Ariados and Espeon? C'mon...thus, there is a huge difference between them and DIalga and Palkia, if for whatever reason you're still in denial that all legendaries are the same. Let's go one-by-one: Heatran-admittedly, I hate the thing. The typing is atrocious and Magmar is the volcano pkmn. But it seems like it was there for a purpose...almost as a guardian of the mountain to ensure it didn't erupt...we can't be sure until the anime touches on it. Cresselia+Darkrai-they are just like Seviper and Zangoose, only a little stronger...making them one-shot (and hidden) is necessary because of their higher stats. It doesn't mean they are in any way related to the overall story, really...Darkri was just splashed into the movie and has no significant connection to the cosmic beasts (but, the point of it is that we cannot be sure if it is an evil pkmn...for all we know, it just 'argues' with Cresselia slightly). Uxie+Mesprit+Azelf-I, personally, hate the trio motif. They may as well make three different kinds of grilled cheese sandwich pkmn with different kinds of cheese on each~now that'd be a trio. Nevertheless, these threehave some important hold in the story. Admittedly, I do not remember their excact duty (taming the cosmic beasts, perhaps), but they are to be considered legendaries due to their more-than obvious foothold in the grand scheme of things, not to mention there are probably only one of each. Giratina-wait for Platinum...I think this may be an interesting pkmn Shaymin-we need more information, but the ability to create flower patches is really intriguing...plus, it's cute. It's just a thing we'll have to get used to, the cute legendary... Regigigas-I have high expectations for this one. Wait for the movie and Pt... Arceus-let's table this until she or he gets a debut someplace... Phione+Manaphy-ah, the legend that evolves...long have we awaited your arrival, o' great sea...thing! Dialga-~~Geminine~~ So I was like at Target in January, and I saw these Dialga and Palkia plushies bigger than my head. xD They weren't even very huggable~they had that cheesy, foamy stuff as their outer projections (they were not like what you'd find at Build-a-Bear, for example), but apparently SOMEBODY buys them. Dialga is important, as time and space go together. Logically, there is a pkmn ruling over both. And that's what made this story epic and worth telling~control of these pkmn would be truly dangerous and have catastropic results (do I like the protagonist getting it? No, but like we have a choice...it's a game.). Palkia-same deal, time...if it were the pkmn of, again, grilled cheese sandwiches, that really lessens the magnitude of what Cyrus is doing because, sure, he'd be the next Top Chef, but then what? Without the stakes being as high as the space-time continuum, the story's interest level drops low. Pkmn had never told a story that large yet. TMA was a better story, yes; however, after the sea pkmn all passed away to make habitats for the terrestrial ones, then everyone is at peace. There would be no long-term consequences except the loss of the Water types. If Cyrus ruled the universe, well...go write a fanfiction. He'd be bound to go insane at some point, intoxicated by his pwoer and control, that he'd make some rash move that would do harm to great numbers... They are all needed. I'd really like to see anyone try to say why any one of these does not have a place. In the realm of game design, pkmn does not do a very good job of it, IMO (I talked to every Galactic ater DP's ending a gazillion times to try to find some secret out, but...well, that was kinda stupid =P (except I liked what Saturn had to say)), but it has it. What is it? Playing after the 'game is done' is paramount; the difficulty of pkmn is that it is reaching to a wide audience. If they made it all an adventure through an additional, unblazed trail in Mt. Coronet, they'd lose people who hate Zubat and Geodude overpopulation (me <<). If they made it all trying to catch the insane amounts of legendaries, then they'd lose the players wanting a challenge like a Battle Tower or something. So, you see, designedly they try to make not a lot of things to do after the game but different things to do. Then nobody gets bored with short attention spans, and they do not lose any fans with narrow interests. I, myself, do not entirely like the thought of legendaries for the sake of legendaries after the game. But most of these are connected to the plot, and, remember, a handfull are not even obtainable. In Diamond alone, you can only get seven of them. Once you call upon external devices and other games, then you pick up Manaphy, Regigigas, Arceus, and so forth. Seven is a small number, really. Additionally, the large amount of legendaries itself just reflects how far-reaching they try to make their lame story out to be. It's not a bad attempt, just...I think they tried a little hard. Nevertheless, to hold their plot up, these legendaries were all necessary... Ugly? Then we had better start talking about Burmy, Vespiquen, Monferno, Bibarel, Bronzong, Weavile =P, Gastrodon, and so forth...there are a LOT of unattractive pkmn this generation. For the record, everyone loves Luxray and shiny Buizels, and you know you do... ...chew on that xD.
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Shadow	May 17 2008, 08:10 PM Post #7
/Eyeson~theSky\ Posts: 701 Group: MC Moderator Member #12 Joined: August 24, 2006 Gender Female	Personally, I think this is fine in debates... the debate forum doesn't have to be 100% super serious topics. Those are probably what it was meant for, but this still counts as a debate. I think all the DP legendaries are awesomely amazing. But they would still be awesomely amazing as normal Pokemon, not legendaries. I don't know any of the legendaries' stories, but from what they look like, I'd say Heatran, Manaphy, Fione, Cresselia, Shaymin, and Darkrai shouldn't be legendaries. Then there'd be the legendary trio (the three little pixie things), the three version legendaries (Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina), and a Mew-like thing (Arceus). And Regigias or whatever it's called needs to be a legendary since the other Regis are. While I don't like that there's so many legendaries, I'm just going to live with it. There's no doubt in my mind that they're cool, and there's nothing we can do about it now, so why not just enjoy the legendaries? ^^ Edit: reads Illegible's post ...I never thought about any of it that way. I think I really like the DP legendaries now. =D
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Zephyr	May 17 2008, 10:14 PM Post #8
Lolchatotavatar Posts: 633 Group: Administrator Member #11 Joined: August 24, 2006 Gender Female	Um, you didn't perhaps make the SAME topic at TCoD? Because I coulda sworn that there was an identical one just recently made as well. Anyhow, there's a General Pokemon section for a reason. This may be a debate, but it fits better in the Pokemon section. Fear my logic. :P Anyway. Sinnoh may be overfloring with legends, but they're by far my favourite batch. In my opinion, the legends go in order of awesomeness Sinnoh > Johto > Kanto > Hoenn (Hoenn's legends REALLY sucked, which was a shame because I loved the rest of the generation). Sinnoh was where they really built up the framework of legendaries: they made a hierarchy for them, with gods like Arceus and Dialga and Palkia and the Mewfishes governing large aspects of the universe (Time, space, consciousness, etc). From there, it narrows down. There are obviously legends that stand for stuff like the sea and earth and sky (Hoenn's fail main legends. ~~also the thousandbeasts~~). It narrows down from there, like legends who control the weather (ie, the Legendary Birds. And then there's Lugia, who is beautiful yet fails because he lacks cosmic significance. And he has a horrible typing). Heatran, for example, is obviously the guardian of Stark Mountain, nothing more. Everyone hates him for it. He/she (because it can be both) is probably just a superrare Pokemon species that can't breed in the regular fashion. (it's, uh... formed only after an egg has been incubated in lava for a hundred years? That'd be hard to recreate in a Daycare.) Darkrai and Cresselia are nightmares and good dreams, duh. :P Manaphy... ever play PMD2? If you have, then you'll know that Manaphy isn't legendary. It's just very, very rare. Neither are Phione, obviously-- that's a ridiculous idea, and anyone who classifies Phione as legendary needs to have their head kicked in. Shaymin... ahh. elbows Illegible We Amber folk know all about Shaymin, don't we? It's ridiculously cute and remarkably powerful in competitive play, from what I've heard. So what if it's the legendary of flowers? I once read a book where there was a Goddess of Things That Get Stuck In Drawers. And let's see YOU laugh when you have flower roots digging into your brain. Giratina is FREAKING AWESOME and I can't wait to see what they have in store for it with the new movie and Platinum.
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Midnight	May 17 2008, 10:49 PM Post #9
My steps lead to darkness... Posts: 163 Group: Member Member #7,088 Joined: April 27, 2008 Gender Female	Yes I made the same topic on TCoD... And The PF domain... Anyway I put together a math problem(Generation 2 added 5 legendarys right?) 5 5 11 +13 ------- 34 34 legendarys is just too much.
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Illegible	May 17 2008, 11:11 PM Post #10
Unregistered	Abby-Absol May 17 2008, 05:49 PM 34 legendarys is just too much. That's nice...I don't see the point of what you're saying, however. I'd like you to reread the fourth paragraph of my post and reconsider the points about how there are no 'pointless' legendaries...really, why does number matter? I could say there are way too many Bug types, as well, because I hate insects, but then I would argue with myself about how there are lots of real insects and that they evolve quickly and blah blah...
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Midnight	May 18 2008, 12:52 AM Post #11
My steps lead to darkness... Posts: 163 Group: Member Member #7,088 Joined: April 27, 2008 Gender Female	34 is way over board. If they only added 5 per generation it would be better. I have access to ALL the legendarys. Go cheats go!
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IceMasterX	May 18 2008, 03:37 AM Post #12
1/10 of the Total Forum Posts are MINE! >D Posts: 773 Group: Member Member #13 Joined: August 25, 2006	I could have sworn I replied to this topic and then I saw the part about the PF Domain... Well, reading everyone's posts, I've made myself an opinion. =D So, the only legends that I REALLY dislike are the azelf, mesprit, and uxie things. I don't know enough about them, but I do know I do not like them. Okay. I think that most of the pokemon you said, except for maybe Dialga, Palkia, Arceus, Giratina, and PERHAPS Shaymin, are not legendaries, IMO, but should be considered just strong pokemon... ubers. Heatran guarding the mountain or w/e, Cresselia and Darkrai being the good dreams and bad dreams, Manaphy and Phione... well, idk. I don't hate them though. They're fine. shot Oh and another one I hate- Regigigas. I just hate it.
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Shadow	May 18 2008, 03:50 AM Post #13
/Eyeson~theSky\ Posts: 701 Group: MC Moderator Member #12 Joined: August 24, 2006 Gender Female	Well, if you think about it this way... 34 legendaries isn't that bad at all if you take into account that it's 34 out of 496 or however many there are now. How do you pronouce "Regigigas" anyway? I stumble over it in my mind. xD
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IceMasterX	May 18 2008, 04:08 AM Post #14
1/10 of the Total Forum Posts are MINE! >D Posts: 773 Group: Member Member #13 Joined: August 25, 2006	I always say it rej-ee-GEE-gas.
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Avielus	May 18 2008, 06:01 AM Post #15
Flee. Posts: 152 Group: Member Member #2,309 Joined: November 12, 2007	The way I see it, every new legendary they put in makes the other legendaries(or ubers, whatever floats your boat) just a little bit less special. Sure, there are only 3 gods now, but who can say 3 generations from now? Perhaps there'll be 34, even... Perhaps every legendary has its own backstory as well, but admittedly Pokemon's storyline isn't exactly its strongest point, seeing as they're mostly cut-and-paste jobs from the other versions with a few minor differences... It was okay the first time, now it's routine. Diamond and Pearl were fairly revolutionary, storyline-wise. The point is, Pokemon would do just as well without the plethora it currently has of super-powered pokemon which make for less interesting battles... At least they look cool. (Or try to, in the case of the Regis and the trio from D/P... the other ones are decent looking) On a slight off topic, Platinum will OWN when it comes out. 34/496... for the sake of argument, round that down to 30/500, which is like 3/50, which is a little less than 1/15. So for every 15-17 pokemon, there's one uber/legendary. ^^ Actually, I have no idea what my point is with that statement...
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