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| Should WWE be classified as a sport? | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 23 2008, 12:57 PM (269 Views) | |
| Stryyder | Apr 23 2008, 12:57 PM Post #1 |
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Well, back in the days of WWF, around WM10 and earlier, i have to admit, I was a bit of a wrestling fan. Hulk, Andre the Giant, Yokozuna, The Ultimate Warrior, Rowdy Roddy Piper, and Jake the snake. Back then it was entertaining. It was about the action, when it was still believed by many to be real. Now though, it seems to be nothing but drama. I remember the old commercials, stating the big matchups that you wanted to see. Now every commercial I see is about something outside of the ring. McMahon having a fight with his wife, some tag team breaking up and teaming up with another broken up tag team. It seems that since everyone knows it's fake they are just setting it up as a soap opera. Even to the point where the fights are oh so obviously fake. At least they made an effort to make it believable in the old days. So I guess my question is, can we really classify this as a sport? A sport is a physical competition between people or teams, this is closer to something like Dancing or acting than sport. I'm not trying to bring up any fights with fans, just a legitimate question. |
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| chaoslord | Apr 23 2008, 06:29 PM Post #2 |
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No, its closer to a sport than acting just because of the sheer physicality, IMO. I don't watch regularly, but they brand themselves as sports entertainment- as in, its not a true sport, but its in the realm of sports. I'd classify card games or board games in the same way instead of as "sports" which the dictionary would have them classified as. |
 
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| L.V. | Apr 23 2008, 06:29 PM Post #3 |
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no, not anymore atleast. i wasnt in to it that long ago i only came around when the Rock and Stone Cold were big, after they left i did too. |
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| Stryyder | Apr 23 2008, 06:38 PM Post #4 |
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Well, what about the physicality of dance? Or stunt performers? Stunt performers put a lot of training into their profession and can get a lot more physical than wrestlers. Yet it is part of acting, I wouldn't call it sport. My biggest point is a sport is a physical competition. But here there is no competition. The winner is chosen well ahead of time. As to Cardgames/Board games, those could be and usually are both just categorized as "Tabletop Games" and I don't really see too much of a correllary in that comparison. Apples and Oranges really. |
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| L.V. | Apr 23 2008, 06:40 PM Post #5 |
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well i have to say that Texas Hold'em is a sport IMO especially in The World Tournaments. competition in it's purest form. but thats an opinion from a player 
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| chaoslord | Apr 23 2008, 07:08 PM Post #6 |
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The difference, however, is the packaging. Wrestling is athletic, and packaged as being competitive. But, we all know its not. As such, thats why I agree with the promoters that it is sports entertainment. It gives the illusion of sport, and requires actual athleticism, but isn't quite there. Thus, sports entertainment, not sports. And yes, there is a subset of people in acting, the stunt people, that do actively use their athleticism, so it would depend on WHAT its being applied to as to if it gets "sports entertainment" as its tag. As for the card game thing, yeah, that was me mis-remembering a disagreement I was having with someone else over what constitutes a sport, so we can just ignore that, lulz (although you could call them "mind sports", as they require a lot of activity..just..in the brain. but thats a stretch to me). |
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| Cro | Apr 23 2008, 07:09 PM Post #7 |
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It can be considered a sport. If Nascar is considered a sport.
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| Stryyder | Apr 23 2008, 08:53 PM Post #8 |
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Nascar is a sport. It is actively competative and requires skill to win. Granted it doesn't have the physicality but I think my next point will address that. After hearing the points here I have amended my opinion of how to define "Sport". I see sport as a "Game" if you will(let me clarify before conclusions are drawn). It requires some combination of the following traits: Active Competition - Competing against someone or something in a way that is not entirely luck based but requires skill. Physicality - This is one that is often connected to sport, but is not a requirement. As I said, Dancing is physical, acting is physical, but aren't sports in my mind because they do not contain "active competition". Skill - The participant needs to have particular skill for the "Sport" or it is back to being just a "Luck game". In some ways Wrestling does include these points, but not enough that I'd call it a sport. I would agree with L.V. that poker tournaments can be a sport. It requires skill at the game and competition, even though it doesn't have any physicality, past stamina to sit at the table for hours. I would agree with Chaoslord saying that wrestling is "Sports Entertainment" in the fact that, as he said, "it gives the illusion of sport". But I wouldn't consider it a true sport. |
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| Cro | Apr 23 2008, 09:50 PM Post #9 |
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It's a sport. It's a competition between two people. People train a life time to be able to do this. The outcome may be pre-determined but it's still a sport. People who don't think 'Wrestling' as a Sport is ignorant. |
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| L.V. | Apr 23 2008, 10:11 PM Post #10 |
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:lol: "are" |
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| Stryyder | Apr 23 2008, 10:23 PM Post #11 |
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I would disagree. People don't train just to be on WWE. WWE finds bodybuilders and other naturally bulky guys and give them a chance. Sports include REAL competition. The mere fact that the outcome is predetermined shows that it CAN'T be competition. It's an act. They have a script, they rehearse the show and act it out, just like any other T.V. sitcom. Try and plug that formula into any other sport and does that still make it a sport? If, before every game, the Pittsburgh Steelers were told how many touchdowns they will score and when they will score them, does that make it still a sport? If 3 of the New York Yankees are told "Make sure you strike out in the 3rd inning" is that a sport? How is it ignorant? We're talking about a preplanned, scripted program. |
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| Cro | Apr 24 2008, 12:28 AM Post #12 |
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Dude, don't pick apart my grammar. Well, Stry.. I guess we have to agree to disagree.  I think it should be considered a sport. That's all.
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| A-10 Thunderbolt II | Apr 24 2008, 06:47 PM Post #13 |
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The WWE has classified what they do as "sports entertainment". However, I think they relly more heavily on the entertainment aspect of the phrase. I believe they have tried to make the term "wrestling" a dirty word to fans. The WWE would more like to impress the casual viewer, and has in reality turned its back on it's hardcore fans. I believe they are more concerned with getting their name on a billboard or their picture next to "Sylvester Stalone" than actually focusing on putting on a good wrestling show. This is evident in the ratings. I think its disrepectful to the fans when they make someone like the great "Khali" champion- a guy who has no wrestling talent what-so-ever and is famous only because he was in "The Longest Yard" next to Adam Sandler. It's crap like that that insults our intelligence. It's like they're saying, "We know this guys sucks at wrestling, but we're going to make the fans like him because he's 7 and a half feet tall and is nothing but muscle, and that's who we think should be the face of wrestling." Not only that, but the quality of matches has been decreasing greatly as of late. When I have to change the channel because I've seen the same rest-hold applied 5 times in the match to kill time, then you know it's poor. To be quite honest the matches are dull, boring and non-inventive. Not every match has to be fantastic, but every match should at least be good. I expect more from the WWE. It's also all to predictable. Almost everytime I watch a WWE match I already know who's going to win even before the match starts. That's not because I purposefully go online and look up the spoilers. It's because the WWE is predictable. All of the WWE matches are the SAME for crying out loud! They usually start out with 2 minutes of punching followed by 10 mintues of pushing and rest-holds (you're lucky if you see one actual move pulled off) and the someone does a finisher, and that's it.(How's that for honest; I was pretty much on the mark wasn't I?) Every match is the same. When I see a wrestling match I should be on the edge of my seat, without any clue of what's going to happen next. That's how match dynamics should go. Not only that, but wrestling manuvers are key. All good wrestlers should have a wide variety of wrestling manuvers that they can pull out at anytime. It's what makes a wrestler skilled, and intersting to watch. They shouldn't be like John Cena who knows about 5 moves and is limited. The WWE is insesant on pushing guys that are good on the mic, but that doesn't mean didly if you can't deliver in the ring. Not only this, but Mick Foley even said in his last book that the WWE intentionally HAS BAD SHOWS so that it can have better buy-rates for it's big-4 PPV's: Royal Rumble, Summer Slam, Survivor Series, and Wrestlemania. So if you're going to a RAW, Smackdown, or even a PPV like Now Way Out, is it going to be a good show or a bad show? I would hope it would be a good show because you just spent $100+ dollars per ticket of YOUR hard-earned money for it. However, this is not the end. The WWE is not the be-all/end-all. There's another program in town: it's name is TNA. A program that has a plethora of talented, skilled wrestlers. A program that has new, innovative, matches that always deliver and KEEP YOU ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEAT. That's the kind of wrestling I prefer. I'm sorry for the rant, but I have to be honset. I've given up on the WWE. Maybe I'm being biased, or maybe it's just that I can be won over by good wrestling, but I just don't see WWE as being anything good now. |
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| Cro | Apr 28 2008, 02:12 AM Post #14 |
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TNA is way better.
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| Vegeta | Dec 28 2008, 11:49 PM Post #15 |
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I say yes to pro-wrestling being a sport, but I'm not so sure about WWE. At least now days. I think they're slowly starting to get better. But they tried to become more of a soap opera there for awhile and everything focused more on the dramatic storytelling and backstage crap over the in ring storytelling. |
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