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| Topic Started: May 11 2008, 11:39 PM (851 Views) | |
| afterlife | May 21 2008, 10:03 AM Post #16 |
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I don't see anybody discounting the opinion of others though. I think what Goshin said as a reason for people not seeing it covers a bigger scale. What Dani said as a reason for not seeing it doesn't explain why it did so bad in its first week WHEN NOBODY HAD SEEN IT. I already mentioned the factors that I believe made it have a bad opening weekend. Then when EVERYBODY was exposed to the news that it flopped, people didn't want to see it. Of all the people that have seen it, I think it's safe to say that most have liked it. Word-of-mouth is nothing but a small factor in how movies perform. People are more likely to go by what a big media source tells them than by what a family member or friend tells them. And ONCE AGAIN, I don't think most people who have liked it only liked it as an adaptation! |
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| Nannerpus | May 21 2008, 10:40 AM Post #17 |
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Geez, getting all snippy with the caps lock button. Maybe, just maybe, it didn't do well because people weren't as interested in it as others were. I know that there are many movies that were downgraded by critics that did very well. And when I see little videos of people being asked how it was after they watched it, you know what I see? The kind of people who are fanboys/fangirls of the series, or, the kind of people who like that sort of animesque style. So, here are the possible reasons- 1) It was up against Iron Man, that was out for its second week. 2) The critics didn't approve. 3) It was made in the style that would mostly be appreciated by someone who likes anime, which does not include everyone in the general public. 4) Maybe it didn't appeal to as many people as we all thought it would. If there are anymore, go ahead and add them up. |
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| afterlife | May 21 2008, 01:05 PM Post #18 |
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Those are basically the same reasons I gave before for people to not have seen it. Like Stryyder said before, the movie didn't meet box office espectations because people were not interested. It doesn't mean people who saw it didn't like it. And it's kinda unfair to generalize all the people who liked the movie as fanboys/fangirls or people who like anime. It's like saying that anyone that liked any of the last three Star Wars movies is a fanboy/fangirl of Star Wars and anyone else would hate them. I'm sure most people who saw this movie and liked it, not only here but everywhere, hadn't even seen Speed Racer before. |
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| Kaboom | May 21 2008, 05:10 PM Post #19 |
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Here's the straight facts. On just about all counts, Speed Racer is a marvelously-executed adaptation of the old show, as well as a wonderful, exciting, and fantastical movie all on its own. The two are somewhat related, as the cheesiness and corniness of some of the dialogue, and the bright, colorful, over-the-top visuals and race sequences wouldn't fit much anywhere else BUT Speed Racer, or a similar property. But in no way did this aspect harm the final quality of the movie. Unfortunately, it had Iron Man to compete with on its release, which was just as good if not better a movie overall. With movie prices as they are these days, there's not many people who would jump to see both films. As a result, Speed Racer didn't rake in much cash on its opening weekend as it might otherwise have. Then there's the critics. I really don't know WHAT is up with the majority of the critics, but I think I can harbor a good guess or two. The whole point is that they're supposed to give fair, balanced, objective reviews of the movies they're given. Obviously, either most of these folks didn't do that, or they have some sort of skewed, weird view of what qualifies as a good movie. While one may not like it for one reason or another, it's undeniable that Speed Racer IS a good movie. No, it's not very complex in its plot, nor does it have any underlying "intention" or allegory to it, or anything "beneath the surface," so to speak. So all in all, it's not very "deep." Neither was The Wizard of Oz. Neither was Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Neither was Snow White. Neither was Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Neither was Superman (1978 movie). Neither was Tron. Neither was Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. All films that are just as odd, colorful, "out-there," and sometimes silly as Speed Racer. All have come to be known as either masterpieces on some level, or at the very least, "cult classics." I truly believe that this movie will end up among them in the future, and I praise the Wachowskys for making this movie how it SHOULD have been made, rather than the way that would please critics or bring in the profits. Such is an attitude not often seen in the arts, especially cinema, today, and if they continue on such a path, I could see them being my favorite movie makers before long. To hell with what the critics think. So essentially: Good movie. Bad release timing. Critics must be smoking some heavy stuff. |
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| Lee | May 21 2008, 10:03 PM Post #20 |
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So many long posts
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| Cro | May 22 2008, 04:34 AM Post #21 |
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I'll see it when it comes out on DVD. =D |
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| Nannerpus | May 22 2008, 06:30 AM Post #22 |
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I wasn't generalizing. I know that there were people who never saw the anime that liked the movie. What I am saying is that the people who were asking the fans how they liked the movie mainly showed the people who had been fans of the anime. |
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| Lebanon James | May 22 2008, 08:37 AM Post #23 |
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the kids love it, you know how much money my Wal-mart is making from selling Speed Racer merchandise it's ridiculous, it depends on the person and their likes... |
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| Stryyder | May 22 2008, 10:00 AM Post #24 |
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In response to Kaboom - You can't say that a movie is "Undeniably good". Any movie made is "Debatably good". Regardless of your definition of a "Good" movie, there is no scientific formula that says "this film is good, this one is bad". I think my biggest problem here is everyone finds it unjustifiable that few people saw this movie. Yeah, I understand you guys enjoyed the movie, you think it is really well made, but that's you. I don't see movies based on what critics say. I see movies based on what I know about the subject matter and how it looks based on trailers, synopses and my knowledge of the cast and crew. I really am not a fan of the Wakowskis, I don't really enjoy over-the-top movies, I didn't like the campyness of the original at all, that's why I didn't see it. I will Netflix it and give it a chance when the DVD comes out, but I'm not going to blow $9.50 to see a movie that I have a good chance of not enjoying. The fact is movie going is at an all time low. Theatres are too expensive, people are illegally downloading movies before they are even out of theatres, and the movie industry is begining to saturate with redundancy. So obviously those who still go to the movies are very picky. In my opinion, the trailers (which is pretty much all John Q. Public looks at) did not separate this movie as a blockbuster. Unless it is part of a huge franchise, or a sequel to a huge movie, it is automatically going to be down to at most $40m opening. And that's if you are lucky and get really good publicity. I don't think taking Iron Man out of the equation would do much, maybe up it to $30m. I agree, it will probably become a cult favorite, but I would hardly compare it to Willy Wonka or Wizard of Oz. |
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| afterlife | May 22 2008, 02:52 PM Post #25 |
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Aside from the guy who mentioned the anime and the guy who was dressed as Racer X, how did you know the other people were fans of the anime? Also, you can like the source material and not like the movie, it happens a lot. I'm sorry, but saying that they were all fans of the anime is generalizing. In response to Kaboom and Stryyder. I agree that no movie (or anything basically) can be called undeniably good. Entertainment is something subjective. I also realize that some people were bashing hardly on critics for disliking the movie. However, my point in this thread never was to express anger on those who chose not to see the movie, but to analyze the reasons why this movie did so bad at the box office. But when Dani said "my love of a good movie surpasses my love of a good adaptation" it implied that we were liking the movie just because we like (the) anime. It sounded like she, and only SHE and the critics that hated it saw it as a movie and everyone else is just a fanboy who likes anime style stuff. I respect different opinions more than anybody I know, and it also seems pretty obvious to me that if a movie doesn't seem interesting to you, that you don't waste your money on it. But what I've been trying to say is that just as no movie can be undeniably good, this movie can't be called undeniably bad just because critics hated it or because it didn't make enough money. I just wanted to analyze the reasons that this movie wasn't successful money-wise. I love movies too, and I loved this movie, and I know why I liked it. |
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| Nannerpus | May 22 2008, 06:00 PM Post #26 |
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Ok... all of the interview I saw was of like ten people who left the theater. Are you telling me that the majority of people who went and saw it liked it? Because what I am trying to say is that the people they chose to talk to (or to include in the interview) were the people who thought that it was decent/great. What I am trying to say is that I am almost certain that not everyone felt the same way as that small group of people. Because the majority of people who left the theater I was in didn't look too thrilled when they left. And yes- there seemed to be more fans of the original source than there seemed to be of people who had never seen the anime, in that particular interview. And just because I am pointing out the fact that I would rather see a movie that I find to be good/great rather than a movie that is mostly faithful to the original source does not mean that I am implying anything. We are all voicing our opinions on what we thought, so why can't I without getting nipped at? |
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| afterlife | May 22 2008, 08:59 PM Post #27 |
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Reelzchannel usually interviews people who like or don't like the movie. Here's the video for fans reaction for Indiana Jones 4 (which I saw tonight and I loved it): http://youtube.com/watch?v=r-sK9qmQVdw&feature=user My point is they don't just select fans who liked it. And no, I don't mean that just because these ten people liked it that then everyone else who saw it did, but from what I've seen, way more than half of the people who saw it did like it. Not only from the people I saw at the theater (and you could ask Cait about that), but also from the IMDB rating going up. As for the people in the interview, aside from the guy who mentioned the anime and the guy dressed up as X, how do the others SEEM to be fans of the show? I'm not trying to prove that it was an "undeniably good" movie, because like I said, it isn't. No movie is. What I'm trying to do is get the point across that the movie's lack of popularity is NOT due to it being an "undeniably bad" movie. And I have never nipped at you for disliking the movie, just for generalizing, and for implying that those who liked the movie liked it because they're fanboys of the show or anime in general. And why is what you said implying? Because why would you mention that you prefer a good movie over a good adaptation unless you thought that people liked this movie just as an adaptation? You're not the only one who loves movies for what they are, I'm sure most people here (other than me) loved the movie as a movie. Also, why else would you talk about the people who liked it being fanboys/fangirls? Don't you think it's kinda demeaning that whenever someone loves something you're not that crazy about, you call them a fanboy/fangirl? I love Fight Club....fanboy I love Speed Racer....fanboy I love most anime more than most American animation (which doesn't mean that I WON'T watch American animation)....fanboy |
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| Maffy | May 23 2008, 02:11 PM Post #28 |
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This just needs to stop seriously. Do you see yourselves? Arguing over SPEED RACER. Seriously, why? The fact of the matter is, the movie didn't do well. Randy, stop trying to make excuses for it, the movie wasn't that good. Critics hated it. And yeah, sorry to say, but most of the people who I personally noticed who really liked this, were SR fans. I'm sure my dad loved it, becaus he was a fan of the show as a child. No, I'm not saying that all SR fans loved it and that the only people who loved it were SR fans. I liked it, and I never watched SR. I LIKED the movie and at least I can admit that it wasn't all that good. Some people just seem to have a problem with admitting they like certain crappy films. I liked F&F, that suckd. I liked You Got Served, that sucked. I liked SR....get my point? But honestly, the movie flopped. Why care so much that we have to make a big dumb argument over this sh*t? |
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| afterlife | May 23 2008, 02:43 PM Post #29 |
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Because this is a discussion forum maybe? We are not calling each other names, or acting immaturely, we are just discussing an issue. It is not arguing. I'm willing to read what anyone else has to say and willing to say what I have to say. But I haven't offended anyone and don't intend to offend anyone. So, what do you expect me to do? Shut up and use this whole site as a chatroom like most of you all seem to be doing? Why do you think people like to post on the IMDB boards so much? Because people are not afraid to create heated discussions. They create something that people will want to talk about, of course, without going overboard and start acting like a child. If someone starts getting funny they get their post deleted and/or get banned depending on the gravity. I am not making excuses for anything. I made a thread, on a forum, to analyze why this movie flopped? What's wrong about that? It's a topic, and we were discussing it. If you or anybody think this was an argument you're free to enjoy the site as a chatroom if you please, that's not my problem, but don't come here to try to tell me not to express myself. As an end note, no matter how much you say that you THINK the movie was liked mostly by fans of the show, you have no way to prove it. Because fans of LOTR, for example, liked the movie it doesn't mean that only fans liked it. Call me an butthole if you wish, but I am not doing anything wrong. I am not degrading anybody or calling anybody stupid and I certainly do not think that Dani or anybody that has disagreed with me is even close to being stupid. I am just stating my opinion and keeping on discussing the issue, stating my point. What is wrong with that? |
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| Mssj.Vegeta | May 25 2008, 08:31 AM Post #30 |
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Same for me, ever since i got into digital art and media design the theater picture and sound quality appears poor to me. Its one of those movies that you gotta watch over and over again by yourself to truly get the feel for it and be inspired, "everyone of us has to find a reason to do this, you dont climb into a T-180 to be a driver, you do it because your driven." "Why dont you tell me why i should keep doing this, "- Sorry, thats for you to figure out, i just hope when you do, that i'm there to see it." Most ppl gave speed racer bad reviews because its an old genre being metamprphed into the futuristic genre. A new style of effects. Thats what the wachaski bros are amazing at, ever since the matrix trilogy many movies have adapted that wooshing slowmotion dodgeing bullets. Ironman also got more viewers because of the dam cameo. If nick fury didnt show up the movie might have been a #2 at the box office. And more impotantly, the movie did the same thing Matrix and V for Vendetta did. It brought us closer to the truth. Closer than you can ever imagine. Which is why it did poor at the box office, the ppl who dont want us to get near that truth controls the media. BINGO. So thats how they did it........  must add this to the records. |
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