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| Topic Started: Mar 30 2009, 05:18 PM (2,056 Views) | |
| Superraizen | Apr 21 2009, 08:16 PM Post #106 |
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Well it would be a good start having you as the writer, but don't forget you can have an amazing script. With a sh*t director like Wong, and a sh*t company like Fox, it can still turn out bad. |
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| BladeRunner | Apr 22 2009, 12:32 AM Post #107 |
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Vadakin, have you written screenplays for any professional productions, ie indies, or are you a new guy thats just recently been trying to make it in Hollywood? |
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| Vadakin | Apr 22 2009, 10:31 AM Post #108 |
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I'm going to be shooting some shorts in the next few months, based on scripts I wrote and I'm also in the early stages of doing a feature. The truth is I'm trying to stay away from Hollywood and instead concentrate on getting projects in Britain and building a reputation from there. But if I had the chance to write Dragonball I'd jump at the chance. |
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| BladeRunner | Apr 22 2009, 12:26 PM Post #109 |
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Thats chill. Would you say that the film business in Britain less hot headed and assholish than the one in the states? Because that would be a good reason not to work in the film business in the states. |
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| Vadakin | Apr 22 2009, 06:40 PM Post #110 |
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Well I'm in Ireland myself but I do know about the industry in Britain and Hollywood. In Hollywood it's all about who you know. Hollywood is full of successful writers who are so horrible that it's hard to imagine that they are the A list. There are thousands of writers out there who are infinitely better than the ones working in Hollywood but will never get a chance because they don't know the right people. Now sometimes you might get lucky. You might write something on spec that gets picked up but most of the time producers turn to people they know (hence the reason Orci and Kurtzman got Star Trek even though their Transformers script was trash). In Britain, they tend to be more open to nurturing talent with the likes of BBC and Film Four looking for creativity and originality more than the big Hollywood studios. The truth is, the best way to make it on Hollywood is to either get work on television (daytime soaps being the bottom rung of the ladder) and work your way up. Or you can go the Indie route and work outside the system on small projects that may get picked up at festivals. If you're good and very lucky then you might be noticed and be offered jobs. There is no real formula though the fact that terrible screenwriters get the best jobs while good writers slum it out in spec land is a little disheartening. In terms of what I would do with Dragonball if I got the chance, well I'd forget the Piccolo sagas. Maybe show the tournament fight in a prologue but that's it. DBZ is by far more popular than DB so that's what I'd concentrate on. I have the Saiyan Saga pretty nailed down (I call it "The Warrior Prince" and I have some thoughts for Frieza ("Saiyan Rage"). The Saiyan Saga is pretty straightforward actually...Raditz arrives, Goku dies, everyone trains, Vegeta and Nappa arrive, people die, Goku comes back, the day is saved. It can certainly be done in 2 hours without changing the story too much. The real problem is Frieza...it's far too long. There is a lot that needs to be cut and moved around to make it work and even then I'm not sure it could be done in under 2 hours. Dragonball has potential as a franchise. It could be an epic sci-fi/fantasy series with kick ass action, solid characters and amazing visuals combined with a pretty epic story. At the moment I have it worked out to 7 films, one for each dragonball. But it needs a big budget, a strong wrtiter, a solid director and a studio who has faith in it. Unfortunately DBE didn't have any of those. Dragonball can be a hit. Action alone would be enough to get people to go to see it. Transformers proved that. It was a terrible film story-wise but the action reeled people in. And once you get them there, characters like Vegeta and Piccolo, stories like the Frieza saga...these will have them coming back for more. But you won't see that at Fox and probably not anywhere else either. |
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| BladeRunner | Apr 22 2009, 07:12 PM Post #111 |
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I thought Transformers was pretty good, the FX probably made me think that, but still, that's probably why those screenwriters were hired. They wrote a solid enough script and they knew the people who were making the production happen. I feel that trust and reliability also has a lot to do with it, personally. However, I never read the script by itself so I don't really know if they were chosen due to their talent, which I would have to assume. Although I do agree with you that you have to know people to get anywhere in Hollywood, which is both a blessing and a curse. I would imagine that that does somewhat apply to the British film industry though, since they do spend a lot of money on productions and most likely don't trust just anyone who can write to get the job done. I dunno, maybe I'm just being skeptical since I'm used to hearing about people being rejected and waiting years at a time just to get a shot in LA. On the topic of DBZ, I do like where you'd be going with it. It sounds somewhat logical and entertaining to me, definitely faithful to the material which i feel is always a blessing in disguise.
Edited by BladeRunner, Apr 22 2009, 07:13 PM.
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| Reptile | Apr 28 2009, 03:54 AM Post #112 |
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Just asking, is there going to be a sequel of DBE or not? The overall profit they made is about $52,825,163 according to "the-numbers.com". ok they went over their production budget but is that enough to continue for a sequel? I hope not and I see it's a bit empty on this board lately so I just ask if anyone had further information.. thanks Edited by Reptile, Apr 28 2009, 03:54 AM.
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| End_Game | Apr 28 2009, 05:46 AM Post #113 |
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We don't know. Their budget was $45 mil and they made ~$53 mil, but they still have to pay the theaters 40% for distributing the movie so they still haven't even broken even. Also, if you notice a lot of the openings at foreign countries have been canceled and instead the people over there are going to have to wait for the DVD in order to watch the movie. That right there tells me that they are trying to cut costs and salvage as much money as possible. I don't know why they would want to make a sequel of something that did not make enough money unless it was a straight to DVD kind of thing. I am really hoping this is a Legend of Chun Li kind of thing, because they also set the ending up to be a sequel but there is no way in hell that is getting made. EDIT: Also, most of the people that were here have become lurkers for some reason. Edited by End_Game, Apr 28 2009, 05:47 AM.
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| Vadakin | Apr 28 2009, 08:02 AM Post #114 |
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Because there's not much else to talk about now. |
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| BIGBMH | Apr 28 2009, 01:43 PM Post #115 |
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I resent the makers of this movie more and more as time goes on. Even with a shoe string budget, they could have had a well written story that portayed the characters well. How does anyone write that poorly? It's quite frustrating |
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| BladeRunner | Apr 28 2009, 05:16 PM Post #116 |
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I don't think that the writing was necessarily horrendous. It was definitely writing for the big screen. Its just that the writing was purposefully dumbed down for a children's flick. It wasn't sophisticated and high brow and didn't ask any interesting questions or make you think. It just was dumbed down for physical drama and action. That's what really pissed me off. This film wasn't made to honor the artistic integrity of the series. It was meant to take advantage of the rights. And I do understand why they would do that, but it could have been made for more of an artistic reason, which would have probably called for a better and more sophisticated script. I think that if Chow was directing it or at least had more say in it he would have been more creative and artistic with the film. So, if they really do make a sequel, it will just be more mindless dialogue and poor VFX. Not something that I would look forward to. I mean, throwing superman in would be more interesting lol |
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| BIGBMH | Apr 28 2009, 06:02 PM Post #117 |
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But like so many people have said, it felt horribly rushed. It was like they were trying to quickly explain a story they heard a while ago to someone and were forgetting parts. Their version of the story itself was flawed, but if they took time to tell it fully, it would have been a lot better. |
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| BladeRunner | Apr 28 2009, 09:55 PM Post #118 |
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Ya, maybe. Or they merely changed the story around and changed it into something that they thought that fans and gen audience would like. Obviously, they were way off there, waaaaaaay off. But the fact that they left things out of the story doesn't mean that they forgot about it. There are many other reasons why they did that. Edited by BladeRunner, Apr 28 2009, 09:55 PM.
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| Mssj.Vegeta | Apr 28 2009, 10:57 PM Post #119 |
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i agreee, i guess they were trying to do something before the rights expire. |
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| BladeRunner | Apr 29 2009, 02:29 AM Post #120 |
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But what surprised me more than the writing was the flopped numbers, despite the extremely poor quality of the film. Since the start of the recession, Hollywood has seen a surge in business, record sales. Its been really good for them, which makes sense because people have been going to see films in order to escape from their everyday hardships due to the recession, or that's what they say... I assumed that DBE would see at least SOME of that business/surging ticket sales, but that wasn't the case. Now, I know that the film was crap and all, but really? No one was sqyched to see what Fox would do with the beloved DB franchise, after getting laid off from work lol. Not that getting laid off work is a laughing matter...That honestly surprised me... well, at least more than the writing, acting, SFX did. Just goes to show, if the studio doesn't fully carry out its end of the deal ie the ads and promos and such and if it doesn't respect all of its crew members, the film will flop. That's oversimplified of course... |
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