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| Topic Started: May 20 2009, 08:05 AM (500 Views) | |
| Son Goshin | May 20 2009, 07:24 PM Post #16 |
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I really don't know, considering my parents are in this group and voted Republican. I guess they just didn't agree on some of the issues with Obama, even though every year my dad's union tells him to vote Democratic. |
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| JayBee | May 20 2009, 07:54 PM Post #17 |
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well you know you've kind of given me the same answer i already had. i mean im quite willing to bet that the issues are the standard moral ones and not anything economic. which is just the problem. why should the position of a candidate on issues like abortion make any difference? its not like Roe vs Wade is gonna be overturned so theres not much they can do there and any opinions on the matter won't help you anywhere else in politics. |
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| Son Goshin | May 20 2009, 07:57 PM Post #18 |
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True, but I respect their decision to do that. I told them the same thing when I explained to them why I was voting independent. I mean really the whole voting thing itself with the electoral college and all is pretty much a sham to being with, but I suppose that's a discussion for another time. |
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| JayBee | May 20 2009, 08:03 PM Post #19 |
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hehe that it is. though i might be with you on that. but i just see voting like that as a whole waste of time. i mean no disrespect but the point of voting is for citizens to have input on how the country is run but the whole "Homeland America" red-state, pro-life anti-intelligence thing has surely gone too far. is there no way to pull a U-turn on a generation of young people who will see life as a losing game? |
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| Nannerpus | May 20 2009, 08:43 PM Post #20 |
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I don't know if I'll be able to answer this correctly, since I voted democrat, but... I suppose it is a moral issue. Some people vote based off of their religious concerns rather than economic concerns. They consider it before they consider political policy? |
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| Stryyder | May 22 2009, 09:58 AM Post #21 |
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I had a whole big long post typed up yesterday but it dragged on with no real point to it. The main point, that I see, is that those stereotype historical views of the 2 parties don't really apply anymore. Politics as a whole is a rich man's game. Politicians, red or blue, will support almost anything with enough money behind it. The other problem is that we are so steeped in political correctness and self-entitlement, everyone wants something different, but the government won't act on it because some other group DOESN'T want it. And if they do act on it, they have groups picketing and protesting. Case in point, homosexual marriage. The federal government won't touch the subject. State governments put it up for vote, but no matter what the outcome they have one group that protests and gets a measure on the next ballot to rescind the previous vote. As far as the economy, yeah, fat lot of good the democrats are doing us there. Obama's first act on that was to throw a trillion dollars out the window, creating a temporary solution that will come back to bite us in the ass after he's out of office. Of course they won't blame it on him, they'll blame it on everyone's favorite scapegoat, W, because he was the one who authorized the FIRST stimulus package. In all honesty, party politics here in the states are about anything BUT the public. |
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| Vegeta | May 22 2009, 10:27 AM Post #22 |
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Well the federal government has no powers over such things. It's a state by state decision because it falls under their power to govern health, safety, and morals. The federal government doesn't deal with things like that. It could go to the supreme court and then they could make a decision that since one state recognizes it that it should be universal (like a regular marriage). But the U.S. House, Senate, or President can't introduce anything accepting or banning it. Same goes for Education. The President talks a lot about what he wants to do for education but that's a power reserved to the states, not the federal government. On the other hand, the federal government has more money than the states, so they can influence them that way. And that's normally the way things get passed that the federal government doesn't normally have control over. |
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| Otaku_Kawaii86 | May 22 2009, 10:49 AM Post #23 |
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About the working class voting Republican and the upper class or Northern states voting Democrat- I'm not really sure about this. I honestly think it all depends on the person's overall beliefs- how an economy would flourish better, their morals, perhaps religious beliefs, their past and upbringing, and other things. I voted Democrat and I'm working class (on my own). I have different moral and ethical beliefs different from my mother although we are from the same religion, and I'm more into following politics than she is. My mother makes a good amount of money, but views things like a Republican nominee typically does (usually more conservative and war mongols from my observation) although she doesn't even follow politics. For some people, it just matters about the nominee's religion or religious-oriented beliefs, which despite believing in God myself, I think is too narrow-minded. One has to look at all sides and topics a nominee feels strongly about. Back to the question- I think it just depends on the person. Another contradiction- Although racism was mentioned... the country strives for equal rights yet "white history" groups are usually denied in schools in comparison to Asian, black, Indian, French, etc. pride/history groups. Edited by Otaku_Kawaii86, May 22 2009, 10:51 AM.
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| Adam | May 22 2009, 10:58 AM Post #24 |
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About the political question I'm kind of surprised to hear that. I live in Wisconsin and most people around here vote Democrat every election. |
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| chaoslord | May 22 2009, 11:57 AM Post #25 |
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This times a million. Minority only scholarships? Okay. White only scholarships? Racist. National organizations for each individual minority group? Okay. National organizations for whites only? Racist. I know kids at my university who are dumb as bricks**, but they are there on a full ride because of their minority status. Meanwhile I can point to multiple kids who get the privilege of paying $16,000 a year because they weren't the right skin color. Sorry, thanks for playing! Wait, isn't that racism? Apparently not. **Maybe they're just dumb as bricks to me cause I have received a pretty nice education, but these kids are failing simple courses like Calculus I and Chem I. I think I would kill myself if failed Calculus I, its too simple to get an F in. |
 
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| Del | May 22 2009, 01:30 PM Post #26 |
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I'd probably fail Calculus if I took it now. I take Chem next spring so I guess I'll see how I do then. I think there should be a White Empowerment Organization. One meant for disenfranchised, void, directionless white kids across the nation, which I am and so are thousands of others. Then again there's likely disenfranchised, void, and directionless people of all races. |
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| JayBee | May 24 2009, 08:49 AM Post #27 |
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to be wholly and brutally honest what do white people have to complain about? REMEMBER now that most forms of poorness in America are merely perceived and not real. and although i believe that our multi-national corporations now have governments on they're every whim and these same corporations are at the same time rapeing the world for its resources and the people for their labour... were on the winning side! we still kinda get raped but we get raped little enough that we still have on average the highest standard of living of any country or group of people in the history of the world so... i don't believe there should be minority group scholarships but thats only because there shouldn't actually need to be scholarship groups. obviously im taking about this in a world where education is actually free up to and including university level. unfortunatly this is untrue so what problems can you really have with the result of these scholarships? a poor black kid with a brain gets to go to university and make something of himself. and proportionately he is still a minority and if anyone has ever heard of the tyrant of the masses theory they'll know what i mean by that in that if we just did what the masses always wanted to do there would be smaller groups of people who practically always never got there voices heard. and i'm the one that lives in a majoritarian electoral system! Edited by JayBee, May 24 2009, 08:52 AM.
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| Otaku_Kawaii86 | Jun 10 2009, 11:24 PM Post #28 |
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I know taxes are different in Europe than they are in America, so I can't speak for all of you across the water. But in America, our taxes go into grade school education. So technically it's not free for adults, parents, and teens with jobs who are still in grade school. When those of you in Europe refer to "university" are you referring to actual college or are you referring to high school? Personally, I hate that anyone gets a free ride or even the chance to participate in a scholarship race just because of their skin color, whether they be black, Hispanic, white, Eastern Asian, Indian, what have you. That's discrimination right there. If you are going to give out scholarships based on skin color, then do it for all. But then, what would be the point of color-based scholarships? What if you were born an African or from an African-American family but aren't black (i.e. a white family that has generations from Africa)? Then what? Would you be denied just because you aren't dark? 
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| Thrash Til' Death | Jun 11 2009, 06:39 PM Post #29 |
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In British terminology, college and university are two very distinct things. They're both institutions offering a continuation of education after high school, but college is generally more focused on vocational training, and offers qualifications parallel to those in high school, but with more flexible course structures. University on the other hand, tends to offer courses which are more like continuations of school subjects at more advanced levels, with the promise of prestigous degrees at the end. Typically, university tends to be more the realm of academic achievers, and it's not uncommon to hear of someone going in to college to get the necessary qualifications for university. I'm not sure if there's an American analogue for what we call "college"; "community colleges, perhaps. What you refer to as "college" is probably much the same as what we call "university", but I dunno. Would you refer to Harvard or Yale as "colleges"? |
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| Vegeta | Jun 11 2009, 06:56 PM Post #30 |
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Well Universities here definitely are not free. I wish they were and I don't know why they aren't. Personally I've never been a fan of the hyphenated American things. Why can't someone just be American? Do they hyphenate things like that in Europe? And Jaybee, I suppose the poor people in England are real? XP just kidding. |
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