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V-Tec?
Topic Started: Dec 31 2011, 08:32 PM (237 Views)
black83zee
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What's so special about the v-tec motors on 90's hondas? Are they that much better than the GSR motors? Who knows?
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L98_Z28
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GSR motors are VTEC motors.

The DOHC VTEC motors are the ones people mostly want. Either the B16 Civic SI/Type R motor or the B18 GSR/Type R motors. Also there are the newer K series motors from Acuras. K20s, K24s.

Just a few I know of. They build them all motor or turbo or even spray.
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1320B4U
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GSR motors are b18c's(1.8liter) i do believe but vtec has been on them since the 90's on all dohc motors they produced. With a vtec controller add on, you can adjust the vtec to kick in at 2k rpm all the way up to redline, instead of it kicking in after 4k-4500 rpms. Its almost like a mini turbo when it kicks in or 'powerband' on a 2stroke dirtbike, a little extra power due to the changing of the cams. Gt-s celicas from 2001 and on were a blast to drive...like gsxr suzuki's.

vtec= variable value timing w/electronic lift control
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The sensation of VTEC kicking in.

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black83zee
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Hmmmm....interesting. I want one.

BTW....Happy New Year guys!
Edited by black83zee, Dec 31 2011, 09:43 PM.
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black83zee
Dec 31 2011, 09:41 PM
Hmmmm....interesting. I want one.

BTW....Happy New Year guys!
interesting conversion for a thirdgen...
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Still looking for a 30mpg fun DD.
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1320B4U
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Mini cooper stan...like driving a go cart...handles very well, isn't the honda crowd, built pretty well and can get for around 8-10g's used..plus s-models are supercharged.
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Like a G6
i drove an 06 civic si a once, and once u hit 4k rmps like dave said the thing took off like crazy! the engine was screaming and the rpms climbed like crazy!
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BlackMagic
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Vtec is far from a mini turbo. All it is, is electronically controlled valve timing. Changes the valve timing at certain rpm, allowing you to have decent off idle power as well as more power up top. Best of both worlds kinda deal.

As far as all the newer 01+ SI's and civics, they do not hold a candle to the '99,'00 Si's with the b16, or 92-00 with a swap.

Ive built a few back before I starting playing with domestics. They were a lot of fun, but not my taste at all anymore. Honestly modifying something that was otherwise slow/economical originally is just not my style. Dont get me started on the exhaust note of a honda -_- hate it.

If you are looking for a fun daily that's somewhat economical, I would probably try and find a 1999 or 2000 civic Si. They are rare and people like to steal em, so maybe opt for a 96-00 civic with either a b16 or b18 swap. Most swaps are hack jobbed by teenagers, hard to find one done clean and tasteful for sale.
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JekyllandHyde
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I second the Mini Cooper. That is one of the best handling cars I've ever driven. I had a chance to drive one for a whole day and I honestly did not want to give the keys back. The way that car drives made me feel like a kid again. That car is a strong contender as a replacement for my Civic if I ever need one.

Vtec is alright. It's a clever trick that Honda came up with to get more power out of small displacement motors. I've driven the new Civic Si and like it, but was far from impressed. It won't press you back in the seat as it comes on like a turbo will. You'll feel it though, to me it just feels like somebody nudging you in the back.

The mini cooper s comes with a turbo btw... :rock:
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1320B4U
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No other way to describe vtec other than the mini 'turbo' or powerband bit on a dirtbike but its a slight increase in torque that is 'feel-able'.
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V-tec is not the same as VVT, which is variable valve timing, V-tec is a hydraulically controlled rocker arm that either opens a third or the same intake valve, meaning or example, you have a cylinder and three valve, two intake and one exhuast, at normal driving conditions the engine will be using only two valve (one intake and the exhuast) the stock Honda ecu is programmed to open this extra intake valve when the engine is above 4500 rpm and heavy load, some v-tec just open the same intake valve further to let in more air and fuel but both do the same thing, let in more air and fuel to make more power. VVT is a device that controls valve timing in relation to piston tdc, what this does is move power and torque band around, so by advancing the camshaft you get hp and tq to come on sooner and by retarding it it comes later in the rpm range.
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1320B4U
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^ He works for a honda deal though...like jeter, he's got the edge.
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Dec 31 2011, 09:03 PM
but vtec has been on them since the 90's on all dohc motors they produced....




...a little extra power due to the changing of the cams. Gt-s celicas from 2001 and on were a blast to drive...like gsxr suzuki's.
They produced non Vtec DOHC motors. The LS B18 Integra Motors and the CRV B20 are two that pops into my head.


Agreed on the 7th Gen Celicas. I never liked them until I rode in a friend's Celica with intake, exhaust, and LSD mods. He launched from a stop in first to 8000rpm. fcuking rocket!
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Now imagine a v8 car Sam wow! Btw saw a turbo supra like yours in the guardrail on the SS exit 17 sat morning...one of your kind was driving it too
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Did you ask if he wanted to sell it? $500 on the spot.
1984 Celica Supra P-type:
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1987 Toyota Xtracab 4x4
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1987 Toyota 4Runner Turbo:
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1987 Nissan Maxima SE
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He was busy with the state troopers, looked like a drift gone bad accident
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Vtec IS variable valve timing to curve the power band better. Similar to VVT(toyota) MIVEC(mitsubishi) AVCS (subaru) Honda just uses their own spin on it, in addition to valve timing they use lift control as well(cam profiling). The only thing that is hydraulically controlled in the locking pins on the arms. The only thing that does is enable one lobe of the cam to open or close more than one valve. The engine wouldn't run right if in addition it did not adjust the timing accordingly. Most earlier vtec SOHC and DOHC motors just switch between cam profiles at a certain point as well as change timing. Newer i-vtec is continuously variable and normally only operates on the intake cam only. The i-vtecs on the new SI's and rsx-s change profiles on both intake and exhaust. Like I said I have built a few hondas myself, and just finished putting together an integra with a built LS(b20) for a coworker.

Edit: A lot of people "think" they feel vtec kick in. Not something the average person would feel on the butt dyno. Its just slightly noticeable on the dyno chart and is still very fluid. What people do notice is the sound difference of the engine, especially on a DOHC, with an intake. Just like the odds of someone feeling a power increase from adding a high flow muffler. The human brain is a funny thing, It automatically pairs sound with power. While its not always true or when it is true its not enough to actually feel.
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theres nothing special about a V-tec they fall out of every box of cereial that i buy
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I guess the feel is chalked up to the car revving way higher than what people are used to and pulling hard is the feel.

I've yet to ride in a built Honda. I've only driven my buddy's B18 non vtec 4 door Teggy with a Turbo on it. And I liked it a lot.
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1987 Toyota Xtracab 4x4
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1987 Toyota 4Runner Turbo:
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1987 Nissan Maxima SE
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1320B4U
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So you stan.

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^ Miatas are very fun. A whipple super charged one came into the shop a few months ago for an alignment. I took it for a test drive and I did have fun. They are amazing handlers, this guy used it for autox only. It was fast though, owner claimed it was pushing 300hp.
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Heidi's Honda powered Vue shits and gets when you get into the throttle. Its got the SOHC 3.5L V6 from the Oddessey, paired to a 5speed auto from an Acura MDX. This was a factory design from GM for a few years. GM cleverly named the VTEC system RAHA instead though for some stupid reason.

I will give the Mini Cooper a thumbs up too, having driven an S-type before and having seen one come out of multiple barrel rolls not completely obliterated, its a good machine. Fun fact too, they weigh more than our cars. About 3500lbs I believe.
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Coopers are for small children as toys, can't even drive one without looking like I'm driving a shoe box women's size six
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Who cares about looks? I was all about the handling and performance of the thing.

Come to think about it, I actually miss the 2007 Kia Rio... that car was fun as hell to drive.
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It's not about the looks, it's about fitting me into the car, just don't work.
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