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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 10 2005, 11:44 PM (2,527 Views) | |
| goldie | Nov 10 2005, 11:44 PM Post #1 |
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Possible Kuru and Prion Diseases in the bigfoot in relation to bigfoot longevity and behavior. Kuru is a neurodegenerative disorder that no longer exists in todays world. The disorder was discovered in the South Fore of New Guinea tribes that practiced cannibalism. Kuru has now been scientifically identified as a prion disease. The reason the disease in no longer in the human population is due to the fact that cannibalism no longer exists and was outlawed in New Guinea. The disease however has only been gone since the 1960’s as that was when it was discovered what was causing it. That is not to say that remote tribes or people who secretly practice cannibalism don’t get this disease. Kuru is similar to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Prion diseases are known as brain wasting diseases. The symptoms of the disease consist of several stages. The first stage is called the ambulant stage, and it includes unsteadiness of stance, gait, voice, hands, and eyes; deterioration of speech; tremor; shivering; coordination problems in lower extremites that move slowly upward and slurring of speech (Gadjusek, 1973) The second state is also known as the sendentary stage, patient can no longer walk without support, more severe tremors and ataxia, shock like muscle jerks, emotional lability, outbursts of laughter, depression, and mental slowing, muscle degeneration has not occurred in this stage, and tendon reflexes are usually still normal. In the terminal stage the patient has an inability to sit up without support, more severe ataxia (loss of muscle coordination), tremor and dysarthria, urinary and fecal incontinence, difficulty swallowing and deep ulceration appear. The South Fore practiced mortuary cannibalism. In other words they eat their dead relatives. Women were the ones that most commonly got Kuru. They were the ones who dismembered the bodies. The South Fore were protein poor tribe and the men ate pigs and the women were left to obtaining their protein from the tribes dead. The South Fore in looking for a explanation for the disease of Kuru assumed that it was caused by witches who used contagious magic. They became very careful at cleaning up their house sites so that witches could not obtain any of their hair, fingernail clippings, feces or personal belongs. I’ve spent some time researching the possibility that bones are not found of dead Bigfoot because they practice cannibalism. I’ve not idea if this is for mortuary purposes or tribal warfare etc. Cannibalism has a long history in early hominids and most early cultures according to most anthropologist although it is a somewhat controversial issue among them. I think it is important to consider this as a possible practice among the sasquatch. Witch craft was a large part of most primitive cultures. I’m currently working on some research to better understand this cultural phenomena. The basic thing about primitive cultures is that they did not have the knowledge and scientific basis that we have in our world today so people who were in a group that started dying or behaving strangely due to disease or mental disturbance tried to rationalize the reasons for the behavior or dying and witchcraft was the one way they went about doing this. This was a time when man was forming his rational brain and dealing with the fears that came from that experience. By attributing negative things to witchcraft it gave them what they thought was understanding and control over their world. The dead must have been mystifying and frightening to early primitives and that would include sasquatch and so many early societies ate their dead to absorb their spirit or conquer their fear, assume their power and yes even for food as the South Fore did by eating their dead. The name cannibal comes from the word caribel, the Spanish word for Carib. Christopher Columbus assumed the island people of Cuba were subjects of the Great Khan of China or Kannibals. The he heard the word Caniba or Canima and he thought these were the dog headed men cane0bal described in Mandeville. Shakespeare transposed it to name is monster servant Caliban in the “Tempest. When doing research in the field and analyzing reports and observations it would be good to note how many of the sightings, sounds, and prints might indicate evidence of a prion disease. If the sasquatch do indulge in cannibalism to the extent that I suspect they do then their life spans may be somewhat short if they are even susceptible to prion disease which I would find it hard not to think that they would be. Kuru is also known as the laughing disease and it might be worthwhile to research reports of sounds heard to see if identification can be made as to a sasquatch laughing. It would be interesting to know how a chimp sounds when it laughs or what sound it might make instead of the laughing sound made by humans when sick with kuru. Kuru also has a long incubation period and I’m still researching to see how long this period is. Another thing to watch for is the tracks made by a sasquatch. Have many been reported that would indicate the sasquatch had a funny gait? Would the sasquatch possibly attack and eat their own when symptoms of this disease become present? Many more male sasquatch sightings have been made, I think, than female and it might be that they have a ritual where the females only eat the dead. I’m not sure of these statistics and it would be a good thing to know. Will try to add more to this research topic in time. |
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| Dudlow | Nov 11 2005, 09:24 AM Post #2 |
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Great posting, goldie. The question of what becomes of BF remains is difficult, if not impossible, to resolve at the present time. I have read various reports suggesting that squatchy buries its dead and probably an equal number suggesting cannibalism. Personally, I believe that while BF tend to live in diffused family groups, they try to remain aware of and concerned for the well being of their members. They would know when they have lost a member. I also believe they are deliberately doing something with their dead; either burial or cannibalism, or both. And, with respect to some of the historical accounts of BF being shot, other members of the BF clan seem to drag away the bodies of their fallen. They don't leave their buddies behind.The Iroquois, Huron, Oneida and other tribes in Ontario, Quebec and Upper State New York practiced brutal warfare which included eating the live organs of captured enemy warriors, among other things. (see the book, "The Children of Aataentsic: A History of the Huron People to 1660", 1976, by Bruce G. Trigger) So the Americas are not new to various forms of cannibalism, either. I wonder if anyone has delved into the Kuru/Prion pathologies with respect to Native Americans. I also wonder if the present day African 'bushmeat' practice may have been common in former times in North America, with respect to BF and the Native communities, perhaps long before the coming of the white man. Additionally, there are some vague native legends concerning the great 'ape wars' (my term) which occurred hundreds of years ago in the Connecticut and Ohio regions, if memory serves me. These were brutal extermination campaigns designed to rid these areas of BF. Dudlow |
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| bwillard | Nov 12 2005, 08:25 AM Post #3 |
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Interesting research guys. I am really enjoying reading the information you all are finding on this subject. I truly think that BF possibly had a close link or relationship with Indian tribes so the information that you are sharing is very interesting to say the least. It may even be possible that BF could be using some ancient language used by Indians that is no longer understood. I know a close friend who closely studied the Sierra Recordings and picked out a few of the clearest languages he heard, typed them into a search engine and learned that they were ancient Mayan (my spelling may be wrong) language. Kinda gives you the chills thinking about it.
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| goldie | Nov 12 2005, 11:29 AM Post #4 |
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Hi Dudlow and Bwillard, Great to find people who are interested in these aspects of bigfootery. I hope to try to do some more research on the Indians here that practiced cannibalism and the types of cannibalism they engaged in and the diseases that they had. I'm especially interested in any periods of famine and sickness that wiped out different social groups. I think that Kuru happens strictly from eating the brains. There is a lot of research to do and it is helpful to post what I've learned and get feedback to poke me in different directions to get it all clarified. I wrote a book called "Bigfoot Cannibals in our Shadows" and have done some research already on this subject. There is an entire chapter in the book on the Mayans and bigfoot and my theories about this. So I'm very excited to learn about the words you pulled out of the Sierra sounds and that they were possibly Mayan because this would make so much sense and tie into my theory. Could you share more about these words? Dudlow do you have any idea where I can read about your "ape wars". This would make sense to me. But the fact that it has been so cleanly wiped from the history of our country is troubling. It would seem that somewhere you would have a lot of documentation of something like this unless the early settlers considered them witches and felt that they had to be secretly gotten rid of to control the fear that new settlers might have had knowing they were in this country. Lots of research would need to be done on this issue. It is very interesting Well I'm really sick right now with a bad infection in my eyes and a migraine and this screen is killing my eyes and head so I'm gonna go lay back down. Did either of you try to do my crossword puzzle? Have a good weekend. Goldie |
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| Belle | Nov 12 2005, 11:39 PM Post #5 |
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I think if one were to study cannibalism between humans and animals, there would be more found in the human species than the four legged speices.. Studies were shown that monkeys who were injected with BRAIN material where found to have the disease. I don't remember the study stating from which species the BRAIN came from. I would think it came from human. That are alot of animals such as monkeys that do eat their own kind... are not found to have this disease. (Nor found in any other animal) As Goldie stated, most of these people who had the disease where found to eat more of the brain matter than any other part of the body. Or the disease may have been past down. Something to think about. But if they, meaning BF eats their own kind, I would doubt that the disease such as Kuru would be found. I highly doubt that they eat their own. IMO... That would be hard to prove without seeing the evidence first hand. Maybe one should look at the Donner party to start with. I think it would take a more than one occurrence of eating the brain, to acquire Kuru. Or maybe it's like mad cow disease, it only takes a little. Belle . |
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| medicdon | Nov 12 2005, 11:46 PM Post #6 |
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It would have to be an infected brain at that. Kuru is a tropical disease,North American winters would put an end to its spread imho. |
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| Belle | Nov 12 2005, 11:54 PM Post #7 |
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Besides, if(BF) they do eat their own kind, it's isn't a ritual.... |
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| Mike2k1 | Nov 13 2005, 12:01 AM Post #8 |
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Goldie
All these are effects in humans so that means you would assume a squatch is more on the human end of the spectrum, so all that being the case and a squatch has all these symptoms...........don't you think we could have caught one? It would make it a heck of alot easier, right? Poor thing would be a wreck.
Nature is an efficent cleaner. I don't really believe that they bury dead or consume them although the latter I might be more inclined to believe. Do bears bury their dead? No, and it hard as heck to find their remains. If I had to bet I would speculate there is a great many more bear numbers than squatch so I believe your odds of finding a carcass goes to about the equivalent of finding a half a needle in a 1000 ft high haystack. It's there......but good luck. Who's to say also that some remains hasn't already been found and misidentified or discarded and destroyed? |
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| medicdon | Nov 13 2005, 12:12 AM Post #9 |
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| Mike2k1 | Nov 13 2005, 12:53 AM Post #10 |
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I think we have learned that eating your own kind is potentially bad.......as well as friggin disgusting!! |
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| medicdon | Nov 13 2005, 12:55 AM Post #11 |
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| Belle | Nov 13 2005, 07:42 AM Post #12 |
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| Dudlow | Nov 13 2005, 01:14 PM Post #13 |
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Hi Goldie. The possible BF language is indeed intriguing (I'm a believer). I have also read a few of these reports over the years, but the best (what I mean is the one that really got my interest) comes from the NORKA of Akron website; where Mr. Rich La Monica left his voice-activated Radio-Shack microsette tape recorder on the hood of his van when he was parked and waiting for his buddy to arrive for their BF research trek in Ohio.He left it in voice-activated mode in case anything unusual was captured. Just to explain, in that electronic mode, the recorder instantly switches into 'record' mode whenever any sound of a minimum loudness hits the microphone; and it then stops when the auditory signal falls to silence. This helps the recorder to conserve its battery energy when there is no direct signal to be recorded. (Years ago I used to use these devices for university lectures.) He fell asleep in his van and when he later checked his recorder he found that he had captured (presumably) a couple of BF having a very quiet discussion. The tape was sent to a research lab and the linguistic aspect was eventually examined by a professional expert in native languages. See the website to hear the recording and the amazing conclusions. I'm sure you'll be impressed. And, yes, it is a Pacific North West native American language dialect (which they do identify by name, but which, offhand I can't remember) which supposedly vanished a few centuries ago; but which still persists in very limited variant form today. I'm racking my brain for where I read about the 'ape wars'. I think I first read about this in relation to the various websites that discuss the giant bones and skeletons unearthed in the 19th century across America. Hundreds of them were shipped off to the Smithsonian which today disavows any knowledge of them, even though there are lots of local newspaper reports which you can still view on the web sites. Also there are a couple of sites devoted to native Indian legends and folktales about BF, that mention tribes gathering to kill the hairy giants. I seem to recall that mention was made about three specific areas: Connecticut, Ohio and, specifically, the Serpent Mounds archeological site. To one and all, I apologize for the fact that I do not have (no one has) a proper, organized, bibliographic system for BF research. It bugs the hell out of me that I can't instantly put my finger on various aspects of BF research that I have read about over the years. The sources are so wide-ranging and varied. I hope someday all this information is collated for research to make this process easier. I feel like I am reinventing the wheel almost every time I have to go and search for something I read about some time in the past; and very often I have a hard time finding it again, although I usually eventually do. I hate having to trust to my memory so much. Dudlow |
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| Belle | Nov 13 2005, 03:16 PM Post #14 |
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Mr. Monica didn't see who made those sounds.... When you say captured, did he seen them for himself making these sounds? |
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| Dudlow | Nov 13 2005, 05:29 PM Post #15 |
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Check out his most excellent website (NORKA) , Belle, and his own words will answer all your questions.Dudlow |
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| Belle | Nov 13 2005, 06:32 PM Post #16 |
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Link, Please..... It comes up to some German site. Thanks Belle |
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| Dudlow | Nov 13 2005, 07:05 PM Post #17 |
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Belle, just Google 'NORKA of Akron'. It's the second entry down the Google page.Dudlow |
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| Belle | Nov 13 2005, 07:36 PM Post #18 |
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Gotcha! Thanks.
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| Belle | Nov 13 2005, 07:42 PM Post #19 |
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Oh that fella... We know him well... Sorry, I had to be reminded... But...... This is listed at the bottom of the Page.... Index of names.... 34. Jon Erik Beckjord. Just a tabbit above Jeff Meldrum.... This is why some people are having problem with some of the info being presented. Belle |
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| Mike2k1 | Nov 14 2005, 01:16 AM Post #20 |
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NORKA............
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Great posting, goldie. The question of what becomes of BF remains is difficult, if not impossible, to resolve at the present time. I have read various reports suggesting that squatchy buries its dead and probably an equal number suggesting cannibalism. Personally, I believe that while BF tend to live in diffused family groups, they try to remain aware of and concerned for the well being of their members. They would know when they have lost a member. I also believe they are deliberately doing something with their dead; either burial or cannibalism, or both. And, with respect to some of the historical accounts of BF being shot, other members of the BF clan seem to drag away the bodies of their fallen. They don't leave their buddies behind.

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