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Blue Stone; Sitings
Topic Started: Mar 4 2008, 03:31 PM (1,454 Views)
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For you folks in the Virgina and W. Virginia area.........
A few years ago Indy and myself were at Blue Stone Lake state park.
The few days we were there we had a few sitings, heard several mimics, found formations, breaks. bows, tracks [one almost had to kick bows out of the way close to the lake] and Indy got to watch me chase one.
I can't recall the exact location, perhaps Indy can.
It was of course during the warmer months and the traffic where we were camped didn't seem to deter the activity at all.
I suspect they actually came up into camp while we were sleeping a few times as camp gear was rattled around and by the time I got the door to the tent open and looked around, everyone else was asleep still and nothing or nobody around.
If you decide to go and check it out, stay as close to the lake as you can, follow some streams and take your eyes off the ground now and then and just stop and listen and look around.
You'll be wasting your time blasting sounds into the night if you camp or smacking a tree with a limb trying to do a "knock".
That type of "knock" doesn't sound right to me and I strongly suspect a "knock" is a vocal anyway.
It's better to just sit around the fire talking, stop and listen and be armed with the largest mag-lights you can buy with extra batteries, get up and look around every once in awhile.
The 1 million+ q-beams are nice, but they only last a few minutes.
The 3-4 cell mag lites do almost as well and last a few hours easily unless you're clicking it on and off like a strobe light.
While we were there it wasn't for the faint of heart and unless it's changed,,,,,which I doubt,,, you were warned.
One other very weird thing that was found, catfish on a stream bank to shallow for fish that size had been "filleted' and not just two or three,,, more like 20-30 and fresh.
Hard to explain,, by filleted I mean the head and skeleton were intact, but absolutely no meat on the bones and no hide or internal organs were to be found.
Yes, there were tracks near these remains.
May I borrow some of your patience please? Mine ran out long ago......Fletch.

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Wow, that area is predominantly a pristine wilderness. A huge one at that... Actually, that whole region of WV is more or less a wilderness.

Referring to the map in the link below, I believe Billy has access to some private wilderness land near that area.

http://www.bluestonesp.com/location.html

As DB has shown me and Billy, I agree with the tactic of sitting around a fire and talking. Concerning the fish skeletons, a bunch of us found the same thing down in Paris, TX. We believed little rodents and insects finished off any remaining flesh on the skeleton.

Fletch, do you live in striking distance to this area? The reason I ask, the next time we get down that way, I think it would be neat to meet up at Blue Stone.
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Right now I live in Southern Arkansas, about 30 miles north of Texarkana.
Hoping to relocate to Kentucky this year though. Little choice in that matter.
Both of us are disabled but she is the one who is relying on medicaid and in Arkansas, medicaid is lttle more than a death warrant for someone with her probs.
Kentucky is right next door.
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i cant remember exactly where we were but it was a long trip driving down down down down did i mention down to the camp site? Fletch and i went for a drive the next morn and there was a tree about 12 inches in diameter pushed across the road. As i recall there was no storm that night either. i found what looked to be tree breaks near where the tree was pushed over. It was a wild time down there ill never forget it
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Fletch,

Best wishes on the Kentucky move. I hope you and your wife are able to overcome your health issues.

Indy,

It sounds like you and Fletch made a life-long memory. Have you and/or Fletch put together a more comprehensive account of your adventures out there. I would love to read it and feel your experiences?
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I could do that when I get the chance. It may be awhile since spring is comming.

Got alot of stuff to do getting ready for squatch fest in 4 months

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Referring to the map in the link below, I believe Billy has access to some private wilderness land near that area.

http://www.bluestonesp.com/location.html


Tom, you would be very correct in that belief. That are is EXACTLY where my wife has inherited several hundreds of acres of PRIVATE land. Her grandfather had lived there almost all of his life, there is no running water, no electicity, NOTHING!!! He has a small house up in the mountain and no one around him for several miles. Back in the day, alot of logging took place around there but not as much now. I guess we need to plan a visit Tom. You know that house has been there vacant now for several years and I bet they frequent the area around it since there has been no activity. Sounds like a plan.
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I did a few days at Bluestone a year or two ago, actually. We had no activity to speak of, except that the guy who got there first heard some very distinct wood knocks as he drove in, and he got a very uneasy feeling. After that, nothing. But that was where one of our group had found two excellent twists. I think it's a good area to check out, but the local bigfoot may be wary because the spot we went was a hunting area, not a camping area.
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In my experience, even though it may be a hunting area, they'll move back into the area about a month after hunting season ends.
We were in a camping area and the amounts of breaks, twists, formations and sounds was unbelievable.
As far as writing anything up goes, as stated, it was a few years ago and all I can recall are the specifics.
The one thing that was important of it all was the actual sitings.
I feel like we were having simultaneous sitings,, meaning Indy, myself and another individual were all three seeing separate animals at the exact same time in the exact same area and all from my q-beam.
It was later in the evening and there were 4 of us there.
We were camped near the lake and the area was in a V where one could drive on either side of the camping area.
Someone heard something so I retrieved my Q-beam and started walking the road below us that was closest to the lake but still had some tree's as well as fairly tall brush.
There was also about a 2-4 foot drop off just past the road, depending on where you might want to enter that area.
I had walked to the right of the camp area about 25-30 yards or so watching that area then turned around to look in the other direction which was past the camp and was heavier with tree growth, staying on the road.
As I was getting closer to camp and was maybe 1o yards or so from there I saw a set of turquoise blue eyes looking at me over a tree limb which the next day revealed to be about 5 1/2 to six foot above the ground.
I stopped and allowed it to register what I was seeing and then called as softly as others to come and see for themselves.
When they answered from the camp and verified what I said they started for me.
At this time the animal turned counter clockwise, dropped to all 4's and ambled away.
I tried to keep my light on it as it was heading for the heavier tree growth just past the camp from me.
When we were parallel to the camp it started moving more towards the lake and that's when I went down the small drop off in pursuit and lost it within maybe 10-15 yards.
Indy and the other individual there were seeing an animal at this exact same time and as I understood it, was illuminated by my q-beam.
However what they described to me, doesn't sound like what I was seeing and therefore make me believe we had more than one animal there at the same time.
What I saw may have been between 6-61/2 feet at the outside.
It had light brown fur that was short in length.
The facial features reminded me of a chimp in a way but the muzzle more conical and with a smaller mouth. The actual nose was more ferret like.
The eyes were almond shaped and again, reflected turquoise blue from the q-beam.
I don't recall breasts so I'm assuming male.
The build was the classical bodybuilder V shape with extremely pronounced musculature in the chest, shoulders arms and neck area.
When the animal turned to flee, there was a V shape of darker color hair the went from either side of it's head and pointed a few inches above it's backside.
It never uttered a sound and simply watched us in curiosity until to much movement from us started.
The next day I went to that exact same tree and under the exact limb it was looking over I found a small formation on sticks placed there .
They were arranged in a fashion where the end of each stick touched one another and they formed something that made one think of a clock, a compass or the old boy scouts campfire.
May I borrow some of your patience please? Mine ran out long ago......Fletch.

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That was a wonderfully exciting experience you-all had. I enjoyed reading about it. :popcorn:
Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup:

It certainly sounds like you had more than one creature in your area. However, that doesn't surprise me, I have always suspected they predominantly move around within their particular territory in groups of two or more. What surprises me is why they allowed you-all to see them. :unsure:

Again, thanks.
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What surprises me is why they allowed you-all to see them.


Uhm,,,, I've seen 5 in Texas, 3 in Louisiana, 1 in Virginia, 1 in Ohio and now 1 in Arkansas.
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Heres what I remember from that : We were sitting around the camp fire when the indiidual to my left snapped his fingers and pointed to the spot where we saw the creatre. Fletch lights up the area with the q beam. the creature i saw was reddish-orange in color. was big and hair was med length id say . When the beam of light hit the thing it looked at Fletch then when we started to move toward it it turned snd lookrd st me and the other guy. Thats when the eyes glowed a bright amber color I dont recall any facial features bt the eyes glowing is whats brnt into my brain . it trned and went into the trees and that was it it was so silent not hardly a sond when it took off . thats what i saw
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Fletch, you are some kind of aquatch magnet. lol

INDY, it sounds like you have created a life-long memory. Thanks for sharing.
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I'm not a magnet, I've just learned what to look for and where to look.
May I borrow some of your patience please? Mine ran out long ago......Fletch.

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So what are some of your tricks that you have in your bag of tricks?
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Well first, you have to use your head.
Second, if you can't find your way around in the woods, forget it. No sarcasm intended but fact.
You may very well be covering an 8 mile area easily and it's all in the woods with no signs or roads to point back to the truck.
There are two seasons out there, hunting season and squatch season.
If hunters are out there, squatch ain't.
Typically squatch wants privacy even though I've found him in residential neighborhoods, neighborhoods aren't where I go to look.
If the area is new to me I try and find a topographical map and find what I hope is a fresh water supply that's fairly isolated from where humans might go to for fishing or whatever.
If I find it I go there and look for bows near the water.
If I find bows, I make sure it's a bow and not just a droopy tree.
I'll test some bows to see how recently they were made by unsecuring them.
If they snap upright, that tells me it was recently made obviously.
If I have to kick them out of my way to get through, this also tells me that this is a likely place to start looking.
From there I move around and if possible in a spiral, if not I zig-zag.
What I'm looking for now are twists, breaks or tree's pushed over.
If I've bothered to look hard enough I'll find them eventually and generally within a mile or so.
When I find these I try and get a general idea of the circumference of the area the damage occurs in.
So far I've found it can be a fairly large area, 4-5 miles in fact and it's always been a circumference.
I don't walk the entire circumference as here's no real reason. just enough to get a general idea of whee the middle of it is.
I'm looking for the center of this for a reason.
The center or near the center generally contains formations and bedding areas and this is where I've found tracks that were no more than the length of my compass width, about 2 1/2" and 4 toed.
I've found their "house".
I have had my best luck when I'm near where I've found formations and bedding areas or about halfway in between the damaged foliage and formations.

You can't go stumbling through the woods like an injured bull.
You can't be screaming into the tree's like a lunatic having a jones because they took your valium away.
You can't be whaling away on the sides of tree's like you're tough enough to pound the tree in two.
You walk around slow and look around.
Stop and spend a few minutes just looking and listening.
Know what kinds of sounds you should and should not hear for your area and at what times of the day and evening you should or should not hear them. Especially the birds.
Think about what you're seeing and think about what you are or are not hearing.
If there are several dozen birds chirping and all of a sudden they go quiet like somebody turned the power off, there's a reason for it.
If one tree sounds as if it has a crow, a mockingbird and a sparrow in it, it bears investigating.
If there are a flock of crows raising sand and going from tree to tree as a group, there's a reason for it.
Don't go charging towards what you suspect is squatch hiding.
Very bad idea if you dunno what's on the other side. Especially if you're in hog country and especially if it is a squatch, it really ain't gonna like to feel attacked.
I've been forcefully warned and you just think you've heard an animal growling, trust me, you havn't.
Move toward whatever you want to see slow and let whatever it may be know you're just curious.
This has worked a few times for me and the last time it was a juvenile that was just as curious and it was looking through the limbs of a myrtle bush and whistling like a mockingbird at me for maybe a minute tops before it took off on all 4's.
You can try chasing them like I have but it's about as much an exercise in futility as trying to catch smoke in your hands.
You flat ain't gonna catch it because I truly believe an adult can outrun a deer.
Doing all of the above generally takes me two months or so to accomplish entirely.
It isn't something you can do this weekend and expect to have any success at.
Sometimes one gets lucky as I did last week and have a partial siting, usually you don't.
Everything I just told you took me years to figure out and train myself to do while in the woods.
It's actually easy.
The hard part is controlling your own fear of the unknown,,,,, especially if you're in wild hog country.
One more word of warning here, take it or leave it, these are wild animals.
Treat them like wild animals.
Believe the nonsense that these are magical, mystical, wondrous animals and when you do have some encounters like mine, hope mama has some clean drawers for you when you get back home.
I havn't been attacked yet, but I've been warned a few times.
I generally listen to wild animals more than 3 times my size when they warn.

P.S. Don't go screwing with their "stuff".
Don't pee on their formations or what might be their bedding areas. Don't dismantle them either.
Leave em alone. You're in their house, respect it.
Since what I have said takes awhile to accomplish, if you come often enough, they'll get used to seeing you there and see you're not blasting away at the wildlife and get curious themselves, this is your entire goal, arousing their curiosity in you so you can get a peek at them.

This is just a portion of what I know. The rest depends on your own knowledge of wildlife and powers of observation as well as the ability to rationalize and think for yourself.
I got you in their house, the rest is up to you.
May I borrow some of your patience please? Mine ran out long ago......Fletch.

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Ok, just want to make sure everyone here knows that we are NOT a bunch of amateurs. I have a few comments to make...

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You may very well be covering an 8 mile area easily and it's all in the woods with no signs or roads to point back to the truck.


No problem here...when we do research, we don't stay on the trails. Tom L can tell you, that's why we carry Garmin Rino 530 GPS. We go OFF TRAIL. Just want to make certain that folks don't assume that we are a bunch of amateurs.

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There are two seasons out there, hunting season and squatch season.
If hunters are out there, squatch ain't.


I agree with that comment only partly. There have been several sightings of this creature by many hunters during hunting season...although I agree the sightings do tend to be lower during this time.

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Typically squatch wants privacy even though I've found him in residential neighborhoods, neighborhoods aren't where I go to look.


I agree, they have been found near residential neighborhoods. A good example of that is a nearby sighting of a creature one mile (as the crow flies) away from Manassas, VA...only 30 miles or so from Washington DC.

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If the area is new to me I try and find a topographical map and find what I hope is a fresh water supply that's fairly isolated from where humans might go to for fishing or whatever.


This is Tom L's specialty. Being a professional geologist, he has the expertise of not only being able to use a topographic map, but he is also an expert in putting to use the geologic maps that can prove to show great detail of other interesting features soon to be proven to be of interest to these creatures.

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The center or near the center generally contains formations and bedding areas


As seen on the Sasquatch Watch of Virginia website, we have begun the intensive mapping of formations in one of our research areas. It can be found in our research blog. Again, with Tom L's expertise, he has been able to map out these formations and amazing enough, they usually seem to lead you from one formation to the other. We still have alot more research to do, but we feel we are getting somewhere.

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Since what I have said takes awhile to accomplish, if you come often enough, they'll get used to seeing you there and see you're not blasting away at the wildlife and get curious themselves, this is your entire goal, arousing their curiosity in you so you can get a peek at them.


This I also agree with. Just like any animal, it takes time for the wildlife to get used to seeing you in an area. Eventually, they become more comfortable, not completely of course, they will always proceed with caution. This is where some have had success with habituation scenarios.

Sorry, just wanted to make it plain and clear that we didn't just start doing this yesterday. In the 3 active years since we started, I feel that we have accomplished alot. Between Tom L, my kids and myself, we have all had at least a combined six encounters. I thinks that's pretty damn good.

Tom L had a sighting in the Adirondacks in NY, two of my children had a pretty long sighting of a creature near Richmond, VA (which is the creature seen in the Sasquatch Watch of VA logo I might add, artist rendition), I had a sighting near Quantico, VA, Tom L and I had some kind of encounter in the Pine Barrens of NJ, Tom L experienced an encounter in Paris, TX, I had a physical encounter with a creature in Paris, TX (yes, I said PHYSICAL encounter), I had a sighting in an area near Culpeper, VA and I could go on with the many of strange vocalizations and other various sounds we've heard. I think that is some hell of some progress in just 3 years, so we must be doing something right.

Sorry for the long post, but I felt we were being belittled and being made to look like green researchers. Now, as far as I'm concerned, and this is my PERSONAL opinion, there are NO EXPERTS in this field. I have said it once and I will say it again, if there were any experts, we wouldn't be discussing this right now because we would have the PROOF. But that has yet to occur.







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My comments weren't directed at any one individual and weren't intended for them to be.
There are however others who read these threads who would get lost within a couple of hundred feet from a road if they couldn't see it.
I had intended for whoever reads the thread to understand, if they aren't experienced in covering area's this size in woods they aren't familiar with to get a better education in this area before even bothering to try it.
I myself have never even seen a working gps and use a decent compass alone as well as looking over my shoulder every few feet as everything tends to look different when you're coming back out the way you went in..
As for experts,,, define expert at what.
I do what works for me and it works over and over and over.
Then again I'm not trying to bring a monkey home across the hood of my truck either and I never really got into trying to prove anything to anyone as I always left the option open to whoever to put on some good clothes and boots and get in the truck and we'll go see.
As for having several sitings in a short amount of time, yup, you're doing ok I'd say.
The repeated encounters you stated you've had, this is typically what happens to all of us who do the going into the woods bit.
Once you've found an area that has a half dozen or so frequenting it and keep going back, the experiences become more frequent and start lasting a little longer.
On the hunting season thing.
Yes, sitings happen during that time, but I think it's the area and not a rule of thumb.
I think they may be in an area where they can only retreat so far or are in the act of retreating and got noticed.

One problem I've noticed repeatedly in this arena, folks want to lump everything into one simple answer and refuse to look at things on a case by case basis as there are very few one simple answer situations.
They, not unlike any other creature will do whatever they can to adapt to a situation.
They have to.
If they refuse to adapt, then not unlike any other creature that refuses to adapt, they will die.
May I borrow some of your patience please? Mine ran out long ago......Fletch.

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Here's some things I didn't think to mention in my earlier post.
Watch for odd things done in a neat manner.
Let me elaborate a little and you'll better understand what I mean.
In louisiana I drove 18 miles one way to get to the turn off where I did the majority of my looking.
I turned off directly into the woods and drove roughly 3/4 miles in my 4-wheel drive truck. Basically I could go no further in the truck.
As the crow flies I then walked another 1/2 mile at least.
Actual walking was roughly an hour and 15 minutes give or take.
This being the warmer summer months, the chances of other humans being around was fairly slim.

I have seen with my own eyes a younger [I'm assuming here] Female [no assumption there] eating muscadines.
For those not from the south and dunno what a muscadine is, it's in the family of grapes and grows wild in parts of the south and is perfectly edible and some make wine from it.

I've found muscadines plucked from the vines and stacked very neatly on the ground.
I figured one had done this, gotten their fill and moved on.
Again I didn't attribute this to human behavior because there are wild muscadines easier and closer to most homes and no one would go to that length to gather them and then leave them stacked neatly on the ground.

For those who have never encountered fire ants,,,,, they sting, hurt like heck and are carnivorous and extremely aggressive.
No animal in their right mind will bother them, with the exception of one evidently.
I have found large fire ant mounts about a yard across, that were excavated and the dirt piled into one neat pile.
Keep in mind this was some 1 mile plus into the woods where no human really had a reason to be and no human in their right mind would go to this length to dig up a fire ant mound when they could have stayed home and dug the mounds up in their own yard.
The animals that are native to that area would sling dirt willy nilly when digging.

Insects are high in protein, especially the larva.
After witnessing the "neat" things I attributed to them I'm led to beleive they were also excavating these mounds to get to the protein rich larva as well.

These two things alone lead me to believe they are omnivorous.
May I borrow some of your patience please? Mine ran out long ago......Fletch.

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Those are some good observations. And I tend to agree that things are different case to case. These creatures would have to adapt based on their geographic locations.
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